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Nick Norwitz just posted about a paper that was published showing that people on a ketogenic diet did not have more calcification than others. Just check out his most recent YouTube channel. You most likely are a lean mass hyper responder. Nick norwitz has a PHD in metabolism and is finishing Harvard medical school on a couple of months. He also follows a ketogenic diet and has high numbers. 

I’m not concerned with the LDL as it’s normal to see higher LDL as a carnivore because we are getting our energy from fat so it only stands to reason that if that is our only source of energy then there should be plenty of it running around. 
The thing I don’t like seeing is the high triglycerides. 

Triglycerides going up after starting carnivore while rare could be caused by several things. 
Loss of triglyceride clearance pathways when carbs are restricted
Low fiber intake failing to lower triglyceride absorption
Too high of intake of saturated fat
Weight loss releasing triglycerides from fat cells
Underlying conditions like genetics, hypothyroidism, or fatty liver
A triglyceride level below 150 mg/dL is considered ideal. Levels between 150-199 mg/dL are borderline high. Having levels between 200-499 mg/dL is considered elevated and higher than 500 mg/dL is very concerning.
Some things that you might consider trying is increasing your omega 3 intake  Eating more high omega-3 foods like fatty fish, fish roe, oysters, and beef liver can help combat high triglycerides. Omega-3 fats help improve triglycerides, 
Reducing your intake of saturated fats. Limiting intake of high saturated fat animal foods like pork, lamb, beef ribeye, cheese, and butter may help lower triglyceride levels. I know you’ve already tried this but maybe look at what kind of fats you are eating. Mostly ruminant fat or pork?
Try more monounsaturated fats.
Focusing on fattier cuts of meat that are high in monounsaturated fat like beef tenderloin, chicken thighs, and salmon can help improve  triglycerides.
As much as it pains me to say this, maybe add some fiber back in.
 Although fiber is limited on carnivore, options like chia seeds and avocado can help bind to triglycerides and reduce their absorption.
Exercise regularly.                                  Engaging in aerobic exercise and strength training most days of the week can help lower triglyceride levels over time.
Losing weight if overweight.
Excess weight is tied to high triglycerides. Losing weight through the carnivore diet can lower triglyceride levels.
Manage any underlying conditions you may have.
Getting conditions like hypothyroidism, diabetes, and fatty liver under control can all help lower excessive triglycerides. If you don’t have any of those you might aught to get checked out to make sure.
Lowering your protein intake.
Overeating protein can raise triglycerides in some people. Try reducing protein portions if levels remain very elevated.
Consider taking a supplement.
Like fish oil, berberine, curcumin, and vitamin E may help support healthy triglyceride levels.

Triglycerides are energy, so in general we can look at it as an energy surplus. The question then is where is the surplus coming from? If it's from dissolving body fat, well this isn't a bad thing. As you thin out and become weight stable, the trig levels should return to baseline. If it's from your liver manufacturing them, then it's from carbohydrates, high protein, or possibly even overeating.
And then in super rare circumstances, there is an underlying medical condition.
I hope some of this helps. 

I went to Costco tonight and picked up a 24 lb chuck roll at $4.97 a lb.  This is my 4th one since January 1st….love these things. It’s almost exclusively cooked in the crockpot overnight and the house smells so good when I wake up. 

Slowly but surely the “science” is catching up with what we already know. [emoji1787]
It’s still progress though and I’ll take it.


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Longevity Doctor Peter Attia Says the Red Meat-Cancer Connection Is Bad Science
Story by Kelsey Kryger, C.P.T.   Red meat might not deserve its long-standing reputation as a dietary villain, as Peter Attia, M.D., shared on the Triggernometry podcast recently. 
Attia is a physician specializing in longevity and optimal health, with a background in surgical oncology and nutritional science. As the founder of Early Medical, he focuses on using research to improve lifespan and health. 
Several studies have suggested red meat consumption be linked to colon cancer, diabetes, and other cardiovascular diseases. But, Attia calls this an enduring example of bad science that never dies—especially because epidemiology only identifies associations rather than causations.  
"People consuming red meat and people not consuming red meat tend to be proxies, on average, for very different behaviors," Attia says. 
He explains that people consuming red meat typically eat more processed foods, while people who avoid red meat usually engage in healthier habits, like eating fruits and vegetables or exercising regularly. 
"When you strip all of those things away and you normalize, for say, vegetable consumption, that cancer-causing effect of red meat completely vanishes," he says. 
Plus, not all red meat is created equally. Consuming a highly-processed beef jerky sticks or bacon is far different than eating grass-fed beef, he says. 
Ultimately, the red meat debate is more nuanced than it’s often portrayed. Attia emphasizes that broad generalizations fail to account for critical lifestyle factors, which significantly influence health outcomes.
"When you just compare people who eat red meat versus people who don't, you're going to get that difference in risk," Attia says. "But, when you start to correct for everything—including for servings of vegetables in a day—all of a sudden, the supposed harm of red meat goes away." 
 
ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/longevity-doctor-peter-attia-says-the-red-meat-cancer-connection-is-bad-science/ar-AA1xXlO2?

^  Longevity experts say lifting will do so much more for you than simply walking. If I had to choose between lifting or walking the choice would be simple.  I'm lifting pathetically light amounts right now but I'm putting on muscle. Since you are already at a good weight I encourage you to lift just a little. check out the longevity test on youtube and set those as goals.

I did ok. I was able to stay motivated to get moving. I was faithful to get my walking in except on really bad days. I didn’t hit the weights as often as I should have but it’ll get better as I get into a better routine. 
 
I like that idea. 

Nice work everyone. 
I hit well over 10,000 steps on Mon-Tues-Wed, lifted each day and then lifted again this morning after night shift. 
I gained weight this month but not all that surprised as I was eating like mad and got off track with protein and fats. I'm slowly easing away from the weight being meaningful each day and it landing where it lands. 
All in all I guess it was a good month.
Congrats to everyone who put in the work.
Scott

I'll be adding up the entries soon. Maybe we will do the drawing on Monday's Zoom call. 
We need an April theme, or an April-May theme. Like "Spring to Success" or something similar. We could add a few things in there, carb goals, water goals, step goals.
What do you think?

I failed my march goal, but Im happy cuz Im at my lowest weight in a long long long time. thanks carnivoretalk!

Hey Tom, nice job on the 90 days.  You are through the initial tough phase of cravings, and well on to where you are seeing many benefits!  Most excellent.

Ill tell ya, nothing makes me smile quite as much as someone walking into my shop that I havent seen in a while, and they look at me and say "dang!  You lost a good bit of weight!"

I dont get to Florida much, but sounds like you may be headed up my way soon.  Stop in and say howdy if you go through Oneonta!

I have zero desire for any vegetable. I realize I only enjoyed salads because of the dressing. I stupidly ate three pieces of breaded deep fried chicken tenders on Sunday and couldn't work up the energy to work out on Monday. So lessen learned. Congrats, keep going Outdoorstom!

https://bmcnephrol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2369-16-9
This chart might help. 

https://bmcnephrol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2369-16-9
This chart might help. 

I’m an Afiber. Bob here did an interview with me about how carnivore has helped to reverse my heart disease. 
2 months in on carnivore my cardiologist took me off of Metropolol because my diet had brought my BP down to normal levels but the drug was bringing me down too low artificially. 
Six months later he took me off of my other heart med, Flecinide, and said he only wants to see me once a year now. 
I rarely have and heart palpitations or PVC’s anymore. 
I have been a carnivore for 691 days. 

I was told by the cardiologist to Stop taking the Metoprolol med I’d been taking for 8 yrs because my heart rate bumped down to 40 bpm because being on Carnivore apparently is healing my heart and I don’t need the med anymore! But I still have the symptoms mentioned in the title, tho the pulse is no longer so low since 3 days being off the med, it’s actually high at around 95 bpm.. I have hope that the heart will be healed of the skipped beats etc if I keep on Carnivore, been on 3 mos thus far, anybody got any input??

I'd say cut dairy if you haven't already. 

I’m so happy I started this journey!  I have been on beef, bacon, butter, and eggs, with occasional chicken or pork. I started at 209 lbs and weighed 175 today. I’m continuing, but going to Ketovore for a little variety. I don’t post a lot on here, but I do read a fair amount. I’d like to thank you guys for the encouragement along the way.  It’s going to be fun to go back to NY (in fl for the winter) since I haven’t told anyone there what I’ve been doing 🙂

I had to go look up what my average daily insulin is.  Im on a pump, which has a total capacity of 300 units.  

Before carnivore, I used to have to fill it back up every other day.

Currently I am averaging less than 60 units a day.  I know I can do even better, but I think I might need to do a food diary to get there.

Wanted to start a dedicated thread on this, as I am still learning, and have more questions than answers, but a bit of experience to bring to the table.  Sorry in advance if this gets long.

I am two years in on the carnivore diet, and (to my knowledge) properly fat adapted.  I can consume fats with relative abandon with no restroom related "side effects" shall we say.
As a type1 diabetic, I can definitely spend a good portion of anyone's time singing the praises of what I have been informed is something called gluconeogenesis, as it keeps me from having to carry sweet snacks always at the ready.  I can work along, and not worry about low blood glucose most of the time, even as a type1.  I have proven to myself that a zero carb diet is the way to health, especially with type1 in the mix, but I dont wish this thread to be isolated to those with a specific knowledge of diabetic physiology.  As an additional thought, wearing a CGM (continuous glucose monitor) allows me to get a different perspective on what is happening as my body processes different foods and situations.  Its my hope that some of this may be a help to others (as well as yours truly!)

 Many folks here speak about being kicked out of ketosis if they consume carbs or sugars, and while I notice this myself, I ALSO notice that if I eat anything that contains sugar or carbohydrates, it will seemingly hamper my gluconeogenesis abilities, and I will drop terribly low in the hours following the compromised meal.  This is as opposed to the normal days  where I have eaten "clean" and my glucose level will drop to say, 70 and then self correct and I can go right on working (or sleeping) like its nothing.

I have been trying to get a straight story from all my internet searches (heh, get in line, right?!) ...so wanted to poll the community here for everyone's thoughts.

In another thread (that I didnt want to hijack) Bob spoke about "adaptive glucose sparing" and some of it's effects.  

Here are my observations, please critique, or add to these with your thoughts!
- When I have been able to keep my diet SPOTLESSLY clean for many days in a row (no cheats, ever) my sugar levels seem to stay right on target and I feel simply amazing!  I have been under the assumption that me being properly fat adapted, I am in these times reaping the benefits of adaptive glucose sparing.
Something that I am beginning to suspect, is that adaptive glucose sparing is akin to ketosis in that a dietary change can "kick us out" for a while.  Is this at all correct?

I further notice that *sometimes * when I fast for any longer than one meal, my glucose levels can sometimes rise and stay elevated as if I just ate an oreo cookie!  This happened most recently at a dr visit, and I was amazed at how high my glucose level was (145) even though I had not eaten anything for nearly 24 hours! ( @Geezy has made a comment in a recent post suggesting that I may have fasted too long before the appointment, which can throw your numbers off?) Anyway, I say *sometimes, because it doesnt seem to be a hard and fast rule, and on other occasions I can go for days and not have my sugar level rise at ALL, even with fasting!

There are also many regular days when no fasting is going on, and my diet has been a proper balance of meats and fats, but I throw some cheese in, I notice that after my midday meal, my sugar level goes up considerably as if I was back on the cookies again!  Ill be sitting there later on thinking to myself "what the heck did I EAT??!!" as my blood sugar level is going up past 175!  I have so far attributed this discrepancy to diet (perhaps as a result of eating things like cheese maybe?) and that in these times I am experiencing gluconeogenesis without the benefit of adaptive glucose sparing? Am I on the right track here?

Is the cheese (or even a small amount of dairy) enough to shut down adaptive glucose sparing to the point that my body begins creating a sizeable amount of glucose from the protein I just ate?  Does it work like this?  It certainly seems like it, but these are the questions I have in my head day to day.

Lastly, I hear just a bit about a process from time to time called glycogenolysis, that is similar to gluconeogenesis, but is instead the body's conversion of glycogen to glucose.

Is glycogenolysis actually what is saving me during the times I would drop "low"?  

According to the internet at large, a high fat diet increases insulin resistance, but I have experienced my insulin resistance going DOWN as a result of carnivore, as well as my A1C.

Okay, Im done for a minute.  Please let me know your thoughts!


 

I became a carnivore on May 9th 2023. In a year’s time I went from 227 pounds down to 170 pounds and lost 36 inches. 
In another six months I went down to 160 pounds and total inches lost 45.5. 
I never counted anything. I lost both visceral and subcutaneous fat. I eat when I’m hungry and prioritize eating plenty of fat and a moderate amount of proteins, heavily salt my food and only drink water. I stalked out several times but did nothing to change things. 
This is not a weight loss diet. It’s a lifestyle of eating designed to heal our metabolism. As we heal our bodies will naturally drop weight until we reach our optimal weight. 
I never tried to lose weight or try to trick my body into losing weight. I just ate as much as I was hungry for. 
I’m in this for the long haul so it I never saw it as a race. I just let my body do whatever it wanted to do. 
Im not saying all of this because I think it’s the only way or my way is better it’s just my way. Some people are more comfortable being analytical and that’s fine I just think it’s too easy to overthink things and become disappointed when they aren’t seeing the results they want in the time they want. 
Try to be patient and just let the process work. 
If you are struggling then evaluate how much fat you are eating. Most carnivores fail to eat enough fat. 
 

First, welcome to the group.
Your results will be mostly individual. Your results may not be my results even though we do pretty much the same thing.
I really like this board because I read others actual experience and learn from people that have walked the walk.
I think the weight will continue to fall. Sometimes faster, sometimes slower. And yes it will "stall" here and there. Going by pictures (nothing personal) I was much larger than you at 306 @6'3". This morning I am 216 in just under 11 months. I have the love handles and some belly. Our love handles are similar and my belly might be slightly smaller (thirty-five years since I said anything close to that)
Although I weigh almost daily, it is better if one does not. Cinching your belt or feeling the difference in your clothing is more revealing (and mor valuable). Sometimes you will cinch your belt a notch, yet the scale will not move at all. The scale can sometimes let you down even though you made a positive stride.
I have been around 85-90lbs for well over a month. With that said, I switched up the amounts I am eating. I am trying to hit a protein target of 1gram per pound of body weight. I am guessing that is somewhere around 200 and it has been a struggle to eat that much per day. After a few weeks of Carnivore I gradually fell into eating just once per day. I went by the rule of thumb, " I eat when I am hungry and I eat til I am full". Then repeat. The weight fell off tremendously during that time. I never measured anything or kept up with calories or grams or macros or fats. I probably ate more fat than most do but i did that before carnivore as well. It simply tastes good.
Again, welcome. This is a great place to bounce your ideas off the group as well as share your experiences as well. Even at the first month or so your expereinces will offer insight to someone. 
Scott

Your body shape is pretty similar to mine, so I will say from my point of view that I see some of both kinds of fat.  Subcutaneous fat is between your stomach muscles and skin of course.  If you can tighten those muscles and still feel some "squish" thats the subcutaneous, in my experience.  Both kinds of fat will go away in time, with a proper diet and exercise, but I always stress the diet BEFORE the exercise.  

A lesson I am currently in the midst of learning is one of patience, while listening to my body.  This is one of the hardest things to do, believe me, and never what anyone wants to hear, to be honest.  When I began carnivore, I felt like I finally had the golden ticket after years of searching and wasting my time and money on gimmick supplements and diets.  The truth is, we DO have the golden ticket, but there may be a lot of damage to undo, especially if coming from a typical western diet of processed foods.  Calorie counting is not necessary on carnivore, but fats to protein counting is VERY helpful.  Bob just put out a great video on this, that I just watched this morning.  Check it out if you havent already.

If you have not done so up till now, I would recommend that you do a few more weeks of getting comfortable with a measured and proper 80/20 fats/protein diet, and make sure you are in ketosis.  Get a cheap fingerstick meter ($35-40) and see what your numbers are morning/evening.  I just got a meter, and am having good luck with the KetoBM brand, for what its worth.  The test strips are about $1 per, but worth it to know what does what in terms of foods you eat.  
Mix your own electrolyte water and stay hydrated, especially with nice weather coming.  Really makes a difference.  Im happy to share my recipe, and there is a thread on here somewhere about this topic.
 

 

Hi Robert,  I don't know what type of fat that is, but I don't think you can target a certain type of fat anyways. If you stick to beef it is difficult to impossible to "over eat". If you are still experiencing that rate of weight lose keep doing what you're doing.  Don't weigh yourself everyday, there is to much daily fluctuation to be useful, maybe twice a month or so. While the scale doesn't lie, it doesn't tell the whole truth either.  Take pictures  every month and use those for positive reinforcement. Most importantly IMO develop sustainable exercise habits you can live with the rest of your life, like walking, rucking  and lifting etc.  Don't count on your current rate of weight lose to continue, but you can continue to loose weight.  Have fun learning about your body, nutrition and exercise!

I did many moons ago and it did nothing that I could tell but I was very unhealthy back then. I might need to try it again now that I’m better.


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