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    • Like you, I never started the carnivore for losing weight. I did end up losing "weight", probably liquid and a bit of fat. At a 135 lbs. I've eaten up to 2700 calories a day and I would not gain a pound. I think we are dealing with fluctuations that have nothing to do with calories.  As for nutrient dense, beef yes. And then there's the difference between feeling heavy and bloated. So I would not panic. 
    • While I do love Bart Kay and his debunks are amazing, he hasn't yet sold me on disregarding energy deficits for weight loss.  Bart Kay and Dr. Chaffee both preach the same wisdom that you should just eat fatty red meat until you're either full or the food stops tasting good and to eat when hungry.  This approach doesn't work for me.  I've been stuck on my plateau for a year now, I know I need an energy deficit (some would call it a calorie deficit) in order to lose weight. I agree with Bart that the calorie is a horrible unit of measurement due to us not "burning" calories like a bomb calorimeter does but he doesn't offer up a better alternative to use as a measurement.  It's like Bart hates measurement as he has stated in the past that he makes it a mandatory condition that his nutrition/fitness clients NOT measure or track their weight and if he catches them doing that then he stops serving that client.  If we are not to use the calorie, then what are we to use Bart?  Yes, I know we shouldn't need to measure, but if we want to measure we should be able to.  The calorie is a flawed unit but not an entirely useless unit, it does at least give us something to measure by and make educated guesses from and unfortunately it's what we have until someone comes up with a more accurate unit.  When that better unit does come along I expect we'll be able to use a very simple conversion formula (or 3) to convert a calorie to the new unit(s) (perhaps protories, carbories and fatories).  We can still use the calorie especially when we know that calories from carbs, fat or protein are not the same and that just counting calories is insufficient.  However, it's commonly stated that one needs a calorie deficit of 3,500 calories to lose a lb of body weight, which I don't believe is that many calories while being low carb based on personal experience.  Also from personal experience working in industrial processes, an imperfect measurement is better than no measurement at all. I really wish Bart actually walked the walk instead of just talking a very good but very abrasive talk.  He preaches that we should only need to eat ruminant muscle meat and only need to resistance train 3 times a week for less than an hour each session and be fit/have muscles then why is he a string bean?  If it truly is that easy he should be able to show us how it's done with his own body or at least with client success stories.
    • Recently I spotted Spam on sale for a good price so I picked one up.  The ingredients aren't ideal, but it's a cost-effective option and, at least in my humble opinion, it's always good to have some canned meat in the pantry. It also allows for a very simple and fast meal.  You can always add to this simple base, but Spam (at least if you like the taste of Spam which I do) does a great job of carrying the dish on its own.  You can substitute your preferred luncheon meat or corned beef if you desire. Ingredients: 1 340g can Spam 6 eggs 1-2 tbsp fat for frying Method: 1. Heat a frying pan over medium heat.  Add 1-2 tbsp of ghee or your favorite fat or oil. 2. As the pan heats up uncan the Spam and cut into slices.  Put Spam slices in pan to fry.  Adjust heat if needed, I usually lower my burner to low (3) here. 3. Crack eggs into a bowl, add any additional seasoning you'd like to the eggs and beat. 4. Fry the Spam to your desired doneness and then use a spatula, spoon or a burger meat chopper to break up the Spam into smaller pieces. 5. Add scrambled eggs.  Adjust head if needed, I usually lower mine to 2 here so I can leave it unattended for 5 minutes. 6. Flip and leave whole for a frittata style meal or break up into a scramble. In this picture I only added a little bit of fresh ground black pepper to the eggs. With my newly rediscovered love for the taste of Spam I'll probably eat this in some form once per week.
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