Bob

Welcome aboard. I did lose a bunch of weight, but the scale has remained idle since November. I have to credit it to a combination of carnivore, intermittent fasting, and an actual need to lose weight. In November, I had some blood work that scared me (you'll find the discussion about my triglycerides in the private area) and so I added back a third meal and some occasional snacking to stop the weight loss. Now I want to take off another 10+ but struggling to get back into my old pattern/habit. But I feel like a million dollars now, compared to a year ago when I felt like death, so I'm here to say I've heard that women lose weight slower than men and it can discourage you. Don't be disparaged. Stick with it. We can toy with macros and fasting schedules and for some they need to get some labs done and see if there is an underlying health condition making it difficult for you to lose weight.

Yes, it is new. We went live last September, so we're only 7 months old. I've been a forum junkie since the 90's and like you I prefer communities centered around topical based discussions. Social media really doesn't provide that. I can relate. When I first discovered low carb and keto, soy was revered as a wonderful substitute. I consumed lots of it back in the day. Awesome! These individuals that go carnivore cold turkey (that is, abruptly) - power to them. I couldn't have done it like that. I had to build on what I had learned in the low carb space and gradually adopt carnivore. And like you, I am in this for the long-haul, and I swear I will never go back to my former way of eating. Hi! My name is Bob, and I am from Northeast Ohio, USA.

Nice. I noticed the same thing this morning when putting on a suit. I have this belt that when I was much bigger I had to fasten it on the first and final notch (before being too fat and having to get a larger belt). As I have lost weight, I've moved down the notches and have been at notch #6 since November. This morning I put on the belt and realized afterward that I had fastened it on notch #7. That's the last notch and I will have to get a smaller belt or start cutting my own notches in it.

I tried a can of Salmon and I had mixed opinions. I mixed it up with some avocado mayonnaise like you would tuna fish and it was alright, but there were bones in it which I wasn't expecting, lol.

I don't usually run into this situation, such as a business luncheon, anniversary party, congregation picnic, or other social event. I will either eat ahead of time, or I am actually quite happy and comfortable dipping my toes back into keto on such occasions. I can graze from the processed meat and cheese tray as well as the vegetable tray, and people will readily understand that I am on a diet. I am very excited about carnivore though, and am happy to get preachy about it when given the opportunity, so I probably would have started educating her and she would be wishing I would shut up soon so she could walk away, lol.

Okay, so it's not my disaster, but an ex-girlfriend's. She was cooking something in oil on the stove, got a phone call, and laid down on the bed to talk on the phone and forgot she had something on the stove. After a while I sensed something was burning and the whole pan was in flames. We had a 2nd floor apartment and I grabbed that pan with an oven mit and ran it down the hall, down the stairs, and threw it outside in the front lawn, lol. I was not a happy camper at that moment, lol.

Today has been pretty simple. Grass fed ground beef for breakfast with some eggs. And then grass fed ground been made into burgers with pepper jack cheese and jalapeno slices for dinner. I have a lot of beef to eat or I am gonna have to freeze it, lol. The jalapenos actually gave me some stomach cramps, but it's been a long time since I have had any.

I can't escape plastic. Sure, I use wood cutting boards, drink from glass or stainless steel, store food in glass containers (with plastic snap on lids), at home. But I also buy meat in bulk and separate it into plastic quart freezer bags, and when you eat out, all your food and beverages (especially fast food) get served in plastic. I've always hated polyester. I do love me some rayon though, lol.

How much were you eating in that one meal? We're you ever hungry inbetween those 24 hour day to day fasts? How much weight did you lose in the first 85 days before the hunger strike? I'm just wondering if your body was in a deficit and when you did add this second meal your body was like "thank the heavens, the herd has returned! Let's eat!" lol. I am 5'8", 175 (down from 230) and eat about 2-3 pounds of meat per day. I used to intermittently fast and eat 2 meals a day, but in November I added back breakfast and have stayed the same weight since. I plan on returning to 2 meals a day now that the weather is warmer and try to knock off another 10-15 pounds. Generally speaking, I would trust your satiety signals. Stop eating when you feel full. Don't eat again until you are truly hungry - not when you're bored or just desiring a snack. Protein and fat signaling in your body should work for us, especially after 90+days, so you can play with your macros. Fat is what typically satiates and adding fat helps for most people, so don't drain the fat from your ground beef. Slurp it up, lol. If you do drain it, add some butter. I've personally found OMAD to be difficult. For me to pull it off, I am ignore hunger signals throughout the day, forcing myself to wait until mealtime. I will have to use tea and suck on salt crystals to help shut it up and pass the time.

Which foods have the most plastics? You may be surprised By Sandee LaMotte, CNN 6 minute read, Published 10:53 AM EDT, Mon April 22, 2024 “How much plastic will you have for dinner, sir? And you, ma’am?” While that may seem like a line from a satirical skit on Saturday Night Live, research is showing it’s much too close to reality. Ninety percent of animal and vegetable protein samples tested positive for microplastics, teeny polymer fragments that can range from less than 0.2 inch (5 millimeters) down to 1/25,000th of an inch (1 micrometer), according to a February 2024 study. Anything smaller than 1 micrometer is a nanoplastic that must be measured in billionths of a meter. Even vegetarians can’t escape, according to a 2021 study. If the plastic is small enough, fruits and vegetables can absorb microplastics through their root systems and transfer those chemical bits to the plant’s stems, leaves, seeds and fruit. Salt can be packed with plastic. A 2023 study found coarse Himalayan pink salt mined from the ground had the most microplastics, followed by black salt and marine salt. Sugar is also “an important route of human exposure to these micropollutants,” according to a 2022 study. Even tea bags, many of which are made of plastic, can release enormous amounts of plastic. Researchers at McGill University in Quebec, Canada found brewing a single plastic teabag released about 11.6 billion microplastic and 3.1 billion nanoplastic particles into the water. Rice is also a culprit. A University of Queensland study found that for every 100 grams (1/2 cup) of rice people eat, they consume three to four milligrams of plastic — the number jumps to 13 milligrams per serving for instant rice. (You can reduce plastic contamination by up to 40% by washing rice, researchers said. That also helps reduce arsenic, which can be high in rice.) Let’s not forget bottled water. One liter of water — the equivalent of two standard-size bottled waters — contained an average of 240,000 plastic particles from seven types of plastics, including nanoplastics, according to a March 2024 study. Dangers to human health While microplastics have been found in the human lung, maternal and fetal placental tissues, human breast milk and human blood, until recently there was very little research on how these polymers affect the body’s organs and functions. A March 2024 study found people with microplastics or nanoplastics in arteries in the neck were twice as likely to have a heart attack, stroke or die from any cause over the next three years than people who had none. Nanoplastics are the most worrisome type of plastic pollution for human health, experts say. That’s because the minuscule particles can invade individual cells and tissues in major organs, potentially interrupting cellular processes and depositing endocrine-disrupting chemicals such as bisphenols, phthalates, flame retardants, per- and polyfluorinated substances, or PFAS, and heavy metals. “All of those chemicals are used in the manufacturing of plastic, so if a plastic makes its way into us, it’s carrying those chemicals with it,” Sherri “Sam” Mason, director of sustainability at Penn State Behrend in Erie, Pennsylvania, told CNN in a prior interview. “And because the temperature of the body is higher than the outside, those chemicals are going to migrate out of that plastic and end up in our body,” Mason said. “Those chemicals can be carried to your liver and your kidney and your brain and even make their way across the placental boundary and end up in an unborn child,” she said. “There currently is no scientific consensus on the potential health impacts of nano- and microplastic particles. Therefore, media reports based on assumptions and conjecture do nothing more than unnecessarily scare the public,” a spokesperson for the International Bottled Water Association, an industry association, told CNN previously. All types of proteins contained microplastics In the February study, which was published in Environmental Research, researchers looked at over a dozen commonly consumed proteins, including beef, breaded and other types of shrimp, chicken breasts and nuggets, pork, seafood, tofu and several plant-based meat alternatives, such as nuggets, plant crumbles similar to ground beef and plant-based fish sticks. Breaded shrimp contained the most tiny plastics by far, at well over an average of 300 microplastic pieces per serving. Plant-based nuggets came in second, at under 100 pieces per serving, followed by chicken nuggets, pollock fish sticks, minimally processed White Gulf shrimp, fresh caught Key West pink shrimp and a plant-based fish-like stick. The least contaminated proteins were chicken breasts, followed by pork loin chops and tofu. After comparing the results to consumer consumption data, researchers estimated the average exposure of American adults to microplastics could range between 11,000 and 29,000 particles a year, with a maximum estimated exposure of 3.8 million microplastics per year. Fruits and vegetables tested high in plastics The oceans are filled with plastics, and a number of studies have captured how those are ending up in the seafood we eat. However, fewer studies have looked at vegetables and land animal proteins, such as cattle and hogs, according to an August 2020 study. The study, published in Environmental Science, found between 52,050 and 233,000 plastic particles under 10 micrometers — each micrometer is about the diameter of a rain drop — in a variety of fruits and vegetables. Apples and carrots were the most contaminated fruit and vegetable, respectively, with over 100,000 microplastics per gram. The smallest particles were found in carrots, while the largest pieces of plastic were found in lettuce, which was also the least contaminated vegetable. Plastics are everywhere There are a staggering number of plastics in the world, today, according to a recent analysis — 16,000 plastic chemicals, with at least 4,200 of those considered to be “highly hazardous” to human health and the environment. As these chemicals break down in the environment, they can turn into microplastics and then nanoplastics, particles so small science struggled for decades to see them. A recent study that utilized brand new technology found the number of nanoplastics in three popular brands of water sold in the United States to be in between 110,000 and 370,000 per liter, if not higher. A liter is the equivalent of about two 16 ounce bottled waters. (The authors declined to mention which brands of bottled water they studied.) Prior research using older technology had identified only about 300 nanoplastics in bottled water, along with bigger microplastics. At least 16,000 plastic chemicals exist with least 4,200 of those considered to be “highly hazardous” to human health and the environment, a study found. Lisovskaya/iStockphoto/Getty Images Ways to reduce plastic The levels of contamination found in bottled water reinforce long-held expert advice to drink tap water from glass or stainless steel containers to reduce exposure, Mason said. That advice extends to other foods and drinks packaged in plastic as well, she added. “People don’t think of plastics as shedding but they do,” she said. “In almost the same way we’re constantly shedding skin cells, plastics are constantly shedding little bits that break off, such as when you open that plastic container for your store-bought salad or a cheese that’s wrapped in plastic.” While science learns more about the plastics we consume, there are things people can do to reduce their exposure, according to experts. · Try to avoid eating anything that has been stored in a plastic container. Look for food stored in glass, enamel or foil. · Wear clothing made from natural fabrics and buy consumer products made from natural materials. · Don’t microwave in plastic. Instead, heat food on the stove or by microwaving in glass. · If you can, eat as much fresh food as possible, and limit purchase of processed and ultraprocessed foods wrapped in plastic. ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/22/health/plastics-food-wellness-scn

This is true. You often hear me say that I have made a vow never to eat grain or refined sugars ever again. I'm a person who takes my vows seriously. This fits into that mindset that you speak of. I smoked from summer 1993 up until October 7th, 2000. I had entertained quitting a few times before, but I never had the mindset to do so. I was motivated to quit smoking for religious reasons and vowed never to touch a cigarette again. The first 3 days after stopping 'cold turkey' were brutal, and after 3 weeks I gained confidence. After 3 months, knew I could do this and not renege. Cigarettes still smelled delicious until after 3 years, and now I can't stand them. 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months, and 3 years were the recognizable milestones. Sugar and carb withdrawal follows a similar pattern when you quit cold turkey. Cravings are killer for the first 3 days. After 3 weeks, you're like "okay, I got this". Then after 3 months, it's like why stop now? Hopefully in 3 years I will be completely healed. 3, 3, 3, & 3

Welcome aboard @Progrumz I generally don't pay no mind to bad language because I hear it all throughout the day as it is, working in construction, dealing with others. Only the excessive use of bad language will catch my attention and irritate me. But yes, I can always change the channel.

I've read that teeth can indeed heal. The line we are fed "tooth decay can't be reversed" is just another one of those things that modern medicine misleads us on.... sorta. Tooth decay cannot be reversed when following modern dietary patterns full of sugar and refined carbs.

I'm the same way. I can eat other meats but beef is my staple. I can only take so much chicken or pork in succession. Tonight I had the other half of the sirloin steak package we got from Sam's. Last week, 2 of my NY Strips rotted faster than I expected and I had to toss them out. I didn't want to risk that again so I had steak 2 nights back to back.

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I've never had lung, nor tongue. The local store sells beef tongue and someday I will lean how to prepare it. I think tonight is going to be these top sirloin steaks we got the other day. They are a little leaner that my usual choice so I will be dipping them in the butter I cook them in.

4 eggs over easy and a half pound of grass fed ground beef this morning. Last night I had this rotisserie style chicken (in a box) from Sam's Club. I filled up, but was hungry again just a little while later. Too lean, no fat. I ended up making a burger later to avoid snacking, lol.

Ohio USA, which is Eastern Time. As soon as I post this message, the timestamp on this post for me will read 9:55am and that timestamp to you will be stamped with whatever time it was in your time zone when I posted this message. Interesting. I have never had red meat raw. I did go to a restaurant that served an appetizer of filet mignon that was more blue rare, seared on each side but red in the middle. That was the rarest thing I ever ate.

There can actually be some benefits to extended fasting. Some people intentionally schedule 24, 48, or 72 hour fasts every couple weeks, monthly, etc. The longest one I pulled off was 40 hours, from Friday's dinner to Sunday's breakfast. I fancy doing it again, but I like to eat, lol.

Think this through @Andre. The science is simple. Calories do matter, to the extent that it still serves as a gauge to how much you are consuming. You can overeat on carnivore, and you can even gain weight by doing so. Other factors come into play also. The benefits of keto/carnvivore is that you are consuming the most nutritionally dense foods, and that protein and fat satiates you, allowing you to feel full for longer inbetween meals. This satiation and subsequent elongated "fasting" period, allowing you to use up this fuel, return to a state of ketosis, and most likely consume less calories that you may have previously. Carnivore works for people because a salad doesn't satisfy, and processed carbohydrates make you hungrier, sooner, causing people to overeat. Fruit can get a pass for a lot of people, but for many others it is just as binge-inducing as a cookie or slice of bread. The principles and the science behind animal-based, ketogenic, and carnivore diets is solid. You can lose the weight if you apply it. This is accurate. Like Dr. Berry says, the Proper Human Diet is a spectrum, and where you happen to be on that spectrum is depends in your personal physiology, and your lineage and DNA can play a role in that as well.

This is true. Paul Saladino struggled with strict carnivore, and benefited from adding fruit into his diet. But he is super-athletic, surfing, skating, working out, etc. Most of us don't have that level of activity. He also does not have an obesity or metabolic issues. His "why" for exploring a carnivore diet was for the sole purpose of trying to find the root cause of his eczema or psoriasis or something. Plant toxins was the culprit, which is why he avoids leaves, stems, roots, and seeds. Fruit and honey are benign (unless you have metabolic issues). It works for him and that is great. Lille Kane has also added fruit to her diet, but not to the excess that Paul has. If you follow her, she is also active, hits the gym, etc. She is mostly carnivore and a little pre-workout fruit helps her strength and stamina at the gym - which is a no-brainer. That people benefit is exactly why I shared the article. No, I don't think this is the case here. Maybe on Reddit or other Carnivore groups on social media. I am pretty clear that I advocate a carnivore-centric meat-based diet consisting of foods that you can eat naturally without processing, pulverizing, or dying from ingesting it. If you can hunt it, milk it, or pluck it from the branch or vine, it's probably fair game, depending on your personal physiology and what your personal goals are.

A couple thoughts. One is, how long is your sleep and what is the quality of that sleep? Some people find themselves not sleeping as much through the night, waking up before their alarm goes off, etc. This can and will catch up with you eventually. My other thought is that you previously posted about your concerns that you were eating too high protein and not enough fat. We suggested raising the fat intake, because fat is where the energy will come from - the fat you eat and the fat that you are losing. By eating too lean, you would not become fat adapted (when your body prefers fat/ketones over the occasional carb). This was only 5 days ago, and so maybe you need more time eating a high fat, moderate protein diet to yet become fat adapted. I know you said you've been carni for 4 weeks, but if you were lean meat, high protein, low fat for the first 3 weeks, then you were most likely converting protein to glucose in the absence of fat. In short, oftentimes the best way to overcome tiredness on a carnivore diet is to give it time. Some people will boast about this amazing pool of energy they got after 7-10 days, while others will tell you it took them a couple months to fully adapt and feel that way. Every body is different. You already know it's doing you good. You've boasted about how your acid reflux and gastritis symptoms have disappeared. I would keep going with a goal of 90 days. The alternative, is to slide more into ketovore -> keto -> low-carb animal-based, which are all fine options, and for a lot of people is the end goal after doing carnivore as an elimination diet. I would still do carnivore for 90 days before slowly reintroducing foods to see how you react to them. I do believe that carnivore can work for everybody, even if some don't think it's for them.

lol. True. Although nobody should be blasting others on social media, lol. I'm sure some people will think of me as a ketovore vs a carnivore, but my consumption of plants is too rare, imo, to be ketovore, so I still say I am "mostly carnivore" or "97% carnivore".

Keto vs ketovore diet: What’s the difference? All about the Ketovore diet mali maeder / Pexels Estimated to reach $12.35 billion by the end of 2024, the keto diet is one of the fastest-growing diet trends in the country — and for good reason. While originally used to help treat patients with epilepsy, the ketogenic diet is now used widely by people looking to achieve optimal health and improve various health conditions. A ketogenic diet, in its basic form, is a diet that is high in fat and low in carbohydrates. People who follow a keto diet aim to achieve a state of nutritional ketosis, allowing the body to use fat for fuel. While the keto diet remains popular, you may have heard the term “ketovore” floating around social media. But what exactly is the ketovore diet? Farhad Ibrahimzade / Unsplash What is the ketovore diet? The ketovore diet is an unofficial term (not a scientific word) that describes a diet that mixes a standard keto diet and the carnivore diet. You might also hear the ketovore diet referred to as keto carnivore or a meat-heavy keto diet. The carnivore diet is a stricter form of the keto diet that involves eating only meat and animal by-products. Those on a carnivore diet do not consume other low-carb foods, such as vegetables, nuts, or seeds. Unlike a ketogenic diet that often involves consuming about 20 to 50 grams of carbohydrates per day, the carnivore diet is zero-carb and far more restrictive. Given that a true carnivore diet allows only for the consumption of meat and water, this diet can be extremely difficult to follow on a long-term basis. For that reason, many people have turned to a “ketovore” diet, which is similar to carnivore but allows for the consumption of some plant-based foods. A person who is following a keto diet will still consume a large amount of meat as the main food group. However, this diet allows for the consumption of some other low-carb foods such as heavy cream, avocados, spices, and a small amount of low-carbohydrate vegetables. Image Source Trading Ltd / Shutterstock Ketovore diet vs. keto On average, those on a traditional keto diet consume about 7o to 80% of their daily calories from fat, 10 to 20% of calories from protein, and the rest from carbohydrates. This diet, which is low in carbohydrates and high in fat, helps achieve a deep state of metabolic ketosis that can result in many benefits. Although the keto diet is often known for its weight loss benefits, many people try the keto diet for other reasons, too, such as improved digestion, enhanced energy levels, reduced inflammation, and more. Unlike the keto diet, the ketovore diet follows a slightly different macronutrient ratio. People following this diet consume large amounts of meat, which makes the overall protein macros much higher than that of a regular diet. In turn, this makes a ketovore diet more of a high protein, moderate fat, and low carbohydrate diet. Image used with permission by copyright holder Benefits and limitations of a ketovore diet In terms of restrictiveness, a ketovore diet falls somewhere between a standard ketogenic diet and a carnivore diet. The flexibility this diet provides makes it an ideal option for those who want to achieve the benefits of a carnivore diet but find it to be too restrictive. Many people find the carnivore diet to help treat or manage chronic digestive issues, such as irritatable bowel disease. Eliminating plants and plant-derived foods from the diet is thought to allow the gut to heal while removing digestive irritants. By consuming a ketovore diet that contains more meat-based foods than plants, those with GI concerns may notice an improvement in symptoms without having to remove plant foods from the diet entirely. Other benefits of a ketovore diet include improved blood sugar control, anti-inflammatory effects, a decrease in food cravings, and better cognitive function. While the ketovore diet offers many benefits, it’s still important to understand its potential limitations. This diet is high in protein, which means it may not be suitable for people with kidney conditions or who are prone to kidney stones. If you’re thinking of making a change in your diet, it’s important to speak with your doctor to discuss safe practices before starting. Loija Nguyen / Unsplash What foods does a ketovore diet include? A ketovore diet relies heavily on meat, which can include beef, poultry, seafood, fish, and other types of meat. Other low-carb foods allowed on a ketovore diet include: Eggs Heavy cream and other low-carb dairy Avocados Cheese Coffee Spices Low-carb vegetables (leafy greens, broccoli, etc) Oils Low-carb nuts or seeds (almonds, for example) Thomas Park/Unsplash Should you try the ketovore diet? When compared to a carnivore diet, the ketovore diet allows for a much wider range of foods to be consumed. For many people, this diet is more sustainable to stick with on a long-term basis. For those already following a keto diet, switching to a ketovore diet is fairly easy. If you’re not yet acquainted with keto eating patterns, you might find that jumping right into ketovore is too restrictive. Remember to start slowly as your body adjusts to running on a new type of fuel and familiarize yourself with the signs and symptoms of the keto flu. Whenever you make a change like this, it’s always best to consult your doctor about the best diet for you. ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.themanual.com/fitness/ketovore-diet-guide/

I just want to second what @Geezy said. Your early on in the transition period. After using up all your glucose/glycogen reserves, your body has to make the switch to burning fat/ketones for energy. In the beginning, it still preferentially looking for glucose. In time, about 3-6 weeks of high fat keto or carnivore, you become fat adapted, and your body will preferentially run on fat and ketones. A high protein, low fat approach will prevent and prolong adaptation, so make sure you are eating fatty meat, fatty fish, and using butter, ghee, or tallow. If you are eating carnivore but still have the mindset that you should avoid fat and eat lean meats, you will struggle more.