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Andre started following The meat and fruit diet: Does it work? , Hi, new Carnivore here...with a question or two. , 7 Months eating Eggs and Meat- Crossroads( Long post) and 1 other
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Hi, new Carnivore here...with a question or two.
Andre replied to rpavich's topic in Greetings and Introductions
I was a carnivore (I ate only meat and eggs for 8 months). I lost some body fat in the first 3 months, but after that nothing happened. Aside from the satiety effect of eating more protein, most of the supposed benefits that the carnivore diet can provide you can find on a whole foods diet with a high protein and low carbohydrate ratio. Cravings for sweets are very common when you are on a hyper-restrictive diet like the carnivore diet or the lion diet. This is not a problem, it is a downside of this way of eating. You will always have some craving for something sweet. You can only eat something sweet so often. The healthier and more active you are, the more often you will be able to satisfy this craving without suffering negative consequences. As a rule of the tumb, do this as infrequently as possible. -
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Classifying it as a lifestyle doesn’t change the lack of results. I have 22% body fat, which is not good for my heart health. I also still need to lose a few inches around my waist to eliminate visceral fat, which is more dangerous type of fat. This is the difference between being thin and accepting being fat. Eating meat doesn’t change the negative effects of being overweight. I’ve always been surprised that meat eaters have a very similar reaction to someone who isn’t experiencing the benefits of eating meat as many of the vegans who have experienced it, which you’ve seen in the vegan community. There’s very little rational thought here and a lot of dogma and emotional (negative) reaction to those who share the struggle of making this way of eating productive.(It is almost like if you are eating meat and eggs to improve you body composition, you dont have enog emotional investiment in the Cult of Carnivore. Than when you will questoin the lack of results or problems/struggles of eating a very restrictive diet., Those who are very emotionally invested in this identity will atack you) Futhermore it seems you really did not read my post, what makes me wonder, why even bother responding...
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What Did You Eat Today?
Andre replied to Geezy's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
One of my last Carnivore meal: 600g of chuck steam at lunch and 4whole eggs plus 4 yoke eggs at Dinner.- 1,385 replies
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I was healthy to began with so body recomposition was my goal. The idea was to lose the bodyfat without being hungry. I would be a Carnivreo (for the reast of my life) if this diet helps me to achieve those goals. I dont look at a diet as a Religion! What it is the point to spend my whole life eating only meats and eggs, if i cannot lose the bodyfat i need, without being hungry? I also have not expereinced many of the suppoesed "Carnivore benfits" What lead met to wonder, how long should it take someone to be able to acesse if this way of eating actually works? Because after 8 months, what i have expereince so far is very similar results people often see in other diets. So why shoud i have an irrational/emotional and or religious apporach to diet?(What do i have to gain to look at the Carnivore diet, as it was the salvation of my life, when i am already healthy and have not lost any bodyfat in more than 4 months?) You cannot say that This is the most optimal way of eating.(There are NO Studies on the topic to validate that Claim.)That is not a fact that is an biases opinan. In fact, most of the healthy and fit people do not follow a Carnivore diet. If you have nothing of valure to say or any adivice to how to ajust the carnviore diet to lose bodyfat, just dont respond the post. Carnviores often act like the VEgan that they so much complain about it. Dont need to be on your feelings just because i dont worship eating meat.
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For 8 months I have been eating nothing but meat (mostly red meat and eggs). I weighed around 200 lbs and was 180cms". I am now 183-185 lbs, but most of the weight I lost in the beginning was water. My BF has dropped 25-20% in 8 months. I have not lost any significant amount of body fat for over 4 months. I think the Carnivre diet really works for those who have health issues (I am a healthy individual) or if you have around 100 lbs or more to lose. So far my results have been mediocre at best. I don't think I will ever be able to make Carnivore work for me. I just haven't stopped yet because I don't know what to do and I am afraid of gaining back the same weight I lost.
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"2 -What can i do to lose the excess bodyfat i still need to lose, with[out] being hungry(if it is posible)" - I eat in a 5-6 hour window, between 12-18 PM (Meals: 1 large and 1 small, usually eggs) Just what I describe in my post. For 8 months only eggs and meats. 4 - "This is your personal choice. If something isn't working, it's time to shake things up. But only you can figure out what it is you need to do. Do you need to intermittent fast? Do you need to get more sleep? Do you need to workout more? Do you need to up for fat macros? Do you need to eat less? Do you need to carb cycle?" - I don't understand your answer here. Since I've never done the carnivore diet before, how long will it take to get an idea of the effectiveness of this way of eating? There are people who get great results in a few months. So far I've had mediocre results, but I was thinner and healthier than the vast majority of people who would start the Carnivore diet. It seems to me that in a way, there is no reference to what to expect, especially when you're healthy. Unless you are in very bad healthy and have 50-100 lbs to lose, this way of eating is just like anyother way: It works for some people and it does not for others. 5-" Define "effective". If you are already healthy, the carnivore diet will keep you healthy. Eating meat doesn't make you unhealthy. Can you miraculously change your body composition using a carnivore diet? Define "miraculous"? If you're 400 pounds and you lose 220 and reverse disease, then you just might feel it's "miraculous". If you're 180 with a little spare tire around the abdomen like myself and want to be 165 with 6 pack abs, that's going to take some work and dedication. No miracles are gonna happen." - Well, effective means lose body fat witthout being hungry. I am still overwieght if you take in consideration the BF% for men who are acive and for hearth health(Recommend to be under 18%BF) So far i was not able to lose bodyfat to for more than 4 months. If you take in considaratoin that most of the initial weigth lost is just water, since you are not ingesting carbs, my fat loss was mediocre at best. Peopel counting calories and eating carbs lose more Bodyfat everyday. 6 - "I would stay all-natural, eating like a human would back in the beginning. If you can hunt it, milk it, pluck it from a branch or vine, then it's probably going to be fine. For me, this rules out grain and sugar, but would allow for fruits and vegetables that are in fact, fruitages themselves. If you are looking for more variety, you should look into Dr. Berry's Proper Human Diet, particularly, the keto/low-carb side of the spectrum, or Dr. Paul Saladino's Animal-Based Diet, or some combination of the two." - So in your opinion (and correct me if I'm wrong), should I continue eating meat and eggs, with a few additions, even though this way of eating hasn't given me any of the supposed benefits of the Carnivore/Keto diet, such as more energy, better sleep, less hunger, or improvements in health? Should I double down on a way of eating that hasn't worked for me so far, Because this is supposedly the correct way to eat for humans ?(even though most healthy and fit people eat carbs and other foods,everyday for decades). I still have bodyfa to lose. I should I just count calories while on a Keto/Carnivore diet, like most people do when they're on a conventional diet? I dont undestand your answer again. Thanks for answering my question. However, it seems to me that if the Carnivore or Keto diet really worked as well as you see people on Internet/Social media claim it does, I should have seen better results. I haven't stopped this way of eating because I don't know what to do and I'm afraid I'll gain most of the weight back. I guess it is just like most things in life: It work for some folks. It doesnt for otheres
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Scott F. reacted to a post in a topic: 7 Months eating Eggs and Meat- Crossroads( Long post)
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1 - "As long as you want. Beef and eggs are some of the most nutrient dense foods you can put in your body. You can live on meat alone, OR eat a carnivore-centric/meat-based diet that incorporates some more variety from the plant kingdom if you choose, whether that's ketovore, keto, or animal-based." I ask this question to understand how long one should follow this diet and this way of eating, so that I can make an objective assessment of the effectiveness of the Carnivora diet, aiming to lose body fat and control hunger. I don't understand your answer since you didn't share a period of time in which it would be appropriate to be on a Canirvore diet, before making judgment about it.
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I can't just not lose bodyfat for 1 year. I also don't understand how carbs can be so evil and yet most healthy and fit people eat carbs. I'm 8 months in and for more than half of that time I haven't lost any significant amount of body fat. My experience with Carnivore was a huge failure, so far, when you consider that most of the initial weight loss is just water weight since you're not eating carbs. I guess in the end it's all about CICO and as it happens with most diets: It works great for some folks but it doesnt for others.
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I have been watching and reading about Carnivore diet for well over 1 year. Dr. Keefe advice really doesn't work for me. Just eat to satiety lead me to gain weight. I still dont see how i will be able to make the Carnivore diet work for me. I guess as most things in life, it works great for some folks and it doesnt work for others
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Hey people. What's up? Allow me to share may experience as someone eating nothing but eggs and meats for now 7 months( That so far has been unsucefful): I have been eating eggs and meat for over 7 months. I started this way of eating with the objetives of improviming my body composistion (Lose bodyfat to be under 15%BF and build some muscle )without being hungry or starve. I am a healthy individual and i was as healthy to begin with,(Having no cronic deases or healh problems wheni started the Carnivore diet). In fact, i dealy for at elast 3 motnhs initating eating the Carnivore diet, because most of the people i saw(reading and watching videos about the subject) haveing good results from this way of eating, were eitheir peole who had serious health problems or were very overweigth (+-100lbs or more to lose). I started the Carnivore diet January, 5 2024. I am now 35 years old, 181cms tall, 180lbs(+-81,5kg) at +-21%BF. I go to the gym 2-3 times a week.(lift weigths to help sustain or increase muscle mass and assist fat loss- HIT Workouts) I lost about 17 lbs(8kg) in the first 9 weeks (Mostly water since my BF% did not change that much)) but since then I haven't been able to change my body composition.(lose bodyfat) I have now gone more than 4 mothns without registering any body changes (weight loss, decrease in BF% or measurements like waist, legs, arms and neck ).In fact i have gained almost 2,5 lbs(1KG between weeks 10-12, but it might be just water.) My goals was to be under 15%BF. I healthy man should be under 18-20%BF for heart health.(My family has a lot of people with heart disease. My mother had 2 heat suggeries and One of her Brothers and her Father, both died from heart disease) To achieve my goal(to be under 15%BF) I still need to lose at least another 12-15lbs, but the Carnivore diet stopped working for me. (I don't undestand how the Carnivora Diet will facilitate this process). I also have not experienced most of the benefits common to Carnivores (Improved sleep, more energy/disposition, etc.) nor have I changed my body composition significantly. I am now at least 4 monhts with any significant fat loss results.(I made some ajjustments like eating fattier cuts of meat. Eating leaner cuts of meat like chicken and even eating a combiations of whole eggs plus yoke eggs, with no sucess) I have been considerating quitting this way of eating, but i am afraid i may gain back some of the weigth .Dont know what to do but i do know i can just keep doing the same things expecting better results. I do see diet as some kind of religion, i have not emotional attachment to the laber of Carnviore, keto or etc. I stated the Carnvivore Diet to lose body fat withouth being hungry or having to be counting calories, as i did for years. I cannot go a whole year eating nothing but eggs and meat, or for the rest of my life, if the Carnivore diet dont allow me to achieve my goal. Now, that i was able to explain my situation, allwo me to ask a few question about the Carnivore diet: 1- How long should I extend my experience with the Carnivore diet to be able to lose the excess bodyfat I still have?(at least 12-15lbs of fat) 2- What can i do to lose the excess bodyfat i still need to lose, with being hungry(if it is posible) 3-Is CICO nessecery to lose bodyfat even when you are eating only meats and eggs? 4-What is the minimum time you should maintain a Carnivora diet when it is not working for you?(how many weeks or months) 5-Is the Carnivore diet effective for those who are aldreay healthy and just need to improve body composition? 6- How to trasition from a Carnivore diet to a less restriclty way of eating. Summary: I have been eating eggs and meat for over 7 months. I was a healthy guy (No chronic disease of health problems) who just wanted to lose body fat without starving myself or being hungry. After the initial 9 weeks, I didn't lose much weight. In fact, in the last 4 months, I have not experienced any significant improvements in body composition (fat loss, loss of important muscle mass like shoulders, neck, legs and arms or BF%). I need help understanding howI, as a healthy individual, i can lose body fat without starving myself or how to transition to a less restrictive way of eating. I don't know what to do, but I know I need to change something because the carnivore diet is not working for me.I posted some question the more or less, reflect my struggles with my lack or results. PS: I am Brazilian, so sorry for any Grammatical errors. I have not be able to interract with any brazilian ou portuguese speaker, who eats a Carnivore diet.(so besides posting questiong in Carnivore videos, by mostly American content creaters) i only have this community where i can express my struggles with the Carnivore diet Thank you very much for your time and attention
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The meat and fruit diet: Does it work?
Andre replied to Bob's topic in Diet News, Medical Research, & Health Reports
Simple: Because you are not looking to find results that negate you assumed assumption, as a Carnivore. All around the world there are people eating whole food witch include fruits, and being healthy and lean.- 15 replies
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That sound more like a Cult than i rational attempt to find what is a better way of eating.
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Seeing is Believing! Carnivore Diet Results! [Video/Podcast]
Andre replied to Bob's topic in Articles & Resources
Crazy. I was Carnivore for more than 6 months and yet i stopped losing body fat after the first 7 weeks. I was stalled for over 3 months! Maybe it is just not for everyone! Bad luck for me -
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The meat and fruit diet: Does it work?
Andre replied to Bob's topic in Diet News, Medical Research, & Health Reports
It makes more sense when you are healthy and active. Most people are sedentary and will likely gain body fat. However, if you go to the gym and move, you can get better results. There are many people who have benefited from eating fruit or some type of carbohydrate. People here look at carbohydrates as if they were the devil... It doesn't make sense for me to look at Diet as if it were a religion or a macronutrient with moral judgment... This is the Bullshit Vegans do!- 15 replies
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