Mikemike

Hey lesw great quote.  Yes bob geezy and orweller have helped me a great deal on some carnivore fundamentals.  Ive purchased the big fat surprise and im halway through with it..interesting stuff.  Our diets seem to be more concerned with politics rather than truth.  I also purchased metabolic which ive been looking at for some time and will read that one next.  Ive listend to a lot of robert lustig though .  And thanks for the tip...herbs for purpose not food.  

Hey lesw great quote.  Yes bob geezy and orweller have helped me a great deal on some carnivore fundamentals.  Ive purchased the big fat surprise and im halway through with it..interesting stuff.  Our diets seem to be more concerned with politics rather than truth.  I also purchased metabolic which ive been looking at for some time and will read that one next.  Ive listend to a lot of robert lustig though .  And thanks for the tip...herbs for purpose not food.  

Hey lesw great quote.  Yes bob geezy and orweller have helped me a great deal on some carnivore fundamentals.  Ive purchased the big fat surprise and im halway through with it..interesting stuff.  Our diets seem to be more concerned with politics rather than truth.  I also purchased metabolic which ive been looking at for some time and will read that one next.  Ive listend to a lot of robert lustig though .  And thanks for the tip...herbs for purpose not food.  

Hey lesw great quote.  Yes bob geezy and orweller have helped me a great deal on some carnivore fundamentals.  Ive purchased the big fat surprise and im halway through with it..interesting stuff.  Our diets seem to be more concerned with politics rather than truth.  I also purchased metabolic which ive been looking at for some time and will read that one next.  Ive listend to a lot of robert lustig though .  And thanks for the tip...herbs for purpose not food.  

Thanks for the book recommendation orweller .i know robert lustig..i watched a 4 hr video of his 2 weeks ago and had the book in my cart and i will purchase that today and the big fat surprise...thanks for that bob.  Thank you as well geezy for clearing up the nuts and seeds.  I swear all of these misleading misdirecting information out there should be a crime.  Ive heard reports of studies being paid off to change the findings in benefit of some food industries.  Glad i found this forum and met you guys.  Besides my heart and low energy giving me trouble which i have to say ive been feeling better since dropping all the fruits and veggies...i also have been driving for a living and had to stop for months becuase i went temporarily blind for a fee seconds while on the highway...my vision came back after a few minutes.  But happened a few more times...ive always felt this strain in my eyes like it was going to happen again.  So i stopped driving for a while.  Eye doctor and cardiologist says my eyes look healthy and had nothing to do with my heart.  The only thing that made me feel better was recently i stopped all the fruit and veggie smoothies i was having in the mornings and i stopped feeling light headed, faint,more energised.  So by trial and error i know it was that but im not sure whether it was due to the fruit and veggies themselves or the pesticides which ive read that if you sanitize them there is still about 90% still present and that you can actually blend the actual fruit and use them as a pesticide. So do you guys use olive oil or advocado oil?  They are technically seed oils correct?  Or do you guys use only butter and tallows?  Thanks again guys.

Thanks orweller,  i say the same thing all the time..were on our own.  Have no faith in doctors these days.  And not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but i think they know what were supposed to eat for optimum health and keep that info out of our hands becuase sick people keep the economy going strong. Not to say that the doctors are evil but they are following governing mandates to stay in compliance to keep their licenses....ive realized theyre not skilled at healing people, theyre just following orders.  Choosing a nutritional dicipline seems like choosing a religion these days,  carnivore/keto/vegan ect...all have people selling them so well with all the science behind them in their reasoning and logic and each sounding solid so i guess we have to choose the one that sounds best and run with it since we dont have our own labs lol.  Glad you mentioned some balance though becuase there seems to be a litnof nutrients you can only get from plants and fruit that help address some issues.  I do thow that the steak and cutting my morning spinach smoothies has given me my energy back. Hoping my lab work dosent say otherwise.

Hey again geezy...agreed on doctor ignorance.  My cardiologist is a director for 20 years in a top hospital in ny and he never bothered to ask me about my diet nor exercise habits.  Glad you have a good one.  I have read somewhere that there is i legitimate findings that suggest red meat or saturated fats are bad.  However i haven probably a dumb queation...are nuts considered seeds as well?  Are those bad...also all grains including chia seeds and flax seeds?  I was always curious that.

Mike Mike, your doctor is ignorant, plain and simple. My primary care is the same way but fortunately my cardiologist is not. He’s very open to what I’m doing and he is encouraged by my results.
The red meat and fat cause cardiovascular disease is a total myth. There is not one shred of evidence that proves red meat causes anything except better health and mortality.
And as previously listed, getting rid of all sugars, grains, seeds, seed oils and highly processed foods will in and of itself do wonders for your health.
Me personally I won’t eat vegetables because the provide no bioavailable nutrients for my body. They are just a carbohydrate and there are no essential carbs that the body needs.


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Thanks for welcoming me guys and for taking the time to read and respond to my post and im glad you're making progress geezy.  I currently have heart failure and the cardiologists have been telling me to stay far away from red meat from the beginning whichbwas about 5 years ago.  Had a low injection fracture and made no progress with all the meds ive been prescribed.  I stopped with the red meat except on occasions when i was diagnosed and stopped the fast food for the most part but was still eating some processed foods mostly becuase i was uneducated on diet.  Since 6 months ago i made some progress, im guessing becuase i started a modified keto type diet and was fasting for 17/18 hrs normally and really cut the processed foods mostly except for maybe boiled potates or whole grain pastas once or twice a week.  But all of a sudden was feeling lots of muscle weakness and tired often and thinking it was all of the fruit smoothies and veggies i was eating.  Im thinking my progress may have had something to do with the lack of processed food i was digesting. Eating steak gave me my energy back almost instantly even though the doc says avoid it like the plague unkess its occasional and lean beef,  so im hoping i dont do any damage with my experimenting.  So here i am researching carnivore and becomimg a member to this helpful forum.   Thanks again for responding and good health onto you guys.

It's all about breaking barriers which have been shaped by lies and deception. You realize you are on your own. That even your doctor may not know what he is talking about. The LDL cholesterol stuff, fiber, etc. Unfortunately, we are on our own. 

I've had a lot of inflammation disappear overnight. But I do also believe, there are some great vegetables and fruits out there that are anti-inflammatory, cancer fighting super foods. The main thing is, I believe, really remaining in keto, for one. Eat as much animal based food as you can. But if you feel like you wants a little bit of carrots (good for the kidneys) or broccoli (good for the brain), then do so. Just do so in smaller amounts, and you may find you get the benefits, without the oxalates, toxins, and carb overload. 

I was full on carnivore for about 60 to 90 days. But have since then introduced some plant based foods as well. I'd say I am on a carnivore based, anti-inflammation diet. 95% of what I eat is still animal based food. Probably even more. 

No sugar, no trans fats, no seed oils, no processed foods, I don't see how one could go wrong with this approach? Eliminate, adapt, and adopt. Make it your own diet, use all the good stuff. 

Thanks for welcoming me guys and for taking the time to read and respond to my post and im glad you're making progress geezy.  I currently have heart failure and the cardiologists have been telling me to stay far away from red meat from the beginning whichbwas about 5 years ago.  Had a low injection fracture and made no progress with all the meds ive been prescribed.  I stopped with the red meat except on occasions when i was diagnosed and stopped the fast food for the most part but was still eating some processed foods mostly becuase i was uneducated on diet.  Since 6 months ago i made some progress, im guessing becuase i started a modified keto type diet and was fasting for 17/18 hrs normally and really cut the processed foods mostly except for maybe boiled potates or whole grain pastas once or twice a week.  But all of a sudden was feeling lots of muscle weakness and tired often and thinking it was all of the fruit smoothies and veggies i was eating.  Im thinking my progress may have had something to do with the lack of processed food i was digesting. Eating steak gave me my energy back almost instantly even though the doc says avoid it like the plague unkess its occasional and lean beef,  so im hoping i dont do any damage with my experimenting.  So here i am researching carnivore and becomimg a member to this helpful forum.   Thanks again for responding and good health onto you guys.

Ok, Bob has tagged me to step up on the heart issue but first I just want to say that Bob is spot on.
I’d just add that carnivore is the proper human diet. There are absolutely no carbs that are essential to human health or life. Fat and animal protein is all we need to be healthy.
Some processed meats are not bad for you or junk. The key is in the ingredient labels. It just must be clean of all sugars and sweeteners, grain fillers, soy and all plant matter. It’s hard to find but it’s out there. I make much of my own so I keep it fairly clean.
If you’ve seen any of my posts about waffles you’ll see they are Chaffles which are all carnivore. Recipe in the recipe forum.
Now to the heart.
What is your heart issue?
I have Paroxysmal Atrial Fibrillation.
I’ve been carnivore for 334 days now and in that time it’s been over a year now since my last AFib attack. That is significant since when I have one it’s bad and I end up I ICU for a few days.
My cardiologist is extremely please with my diet and what it’s done for me. In losing 55 pounds and reducing the inflammation in my body my heart flutters have reduced from a stop and let me catch my breath six or seven times a day to something so mild I have to wonder if I actually felt something and this only a couple of times a week. I was take my completely off of one medication (Metropol) because it was taking my blood pressure down so far naturally that the medication was taking in down way too low artificially.
My BP yesterday was 112/ 62.
As of my last visit with my cardiologist two weeks ago he has now cut my o the medication (Flecanide) in half and if I continue doing so well he may take me completely off of it in six months or so.
So yes sir, carnivore can help with heart issues.
I also just had another sleep study to see if carnivore had help me there and unfortunately my sleep apnea is not cured but I have gone from a ranking of moderately severe (22) down to mild (11).
This a list of my other healings and improvements.

Inflammation way down.
Hands don’t hurt. Can make a fist again.
Knees don’t hurt.
Right hip doesn’t hurt.
Left hip (prosthetic) is better.
Back is 80-90% pain free.
Shoulders are 90% pain free.
IBS is gone.
Bowel inflammation is gone.
Crohns is gone.
Energy is better. LI’m
Attitude is better.
Floaters in eyes are less noticeable.
Eye watering gone
Running nose reduced 90%.
Walking two- three miles every other day without support.
Exercising with resistance bands every other day.
Long rides on my motorcycle again.
Light sensitivity is greatly diminished. Rarely use sunglasses.
Dandruff is healed.
I can clip my toenails again.
Sleep apnea is much better and may be cured.
Elimination of one heart med.
AFib much better
Hunger is now “Keto Hunger).
No carb addiction, no temptation.
So yes, carnivore really does heal.
I will never eat any other way again.
I don’t eat carnivore, I am carnivore.

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And now in addition to your research, you have your own personal N=1 experiment. Experience is showing you that you feel better with meat in your diet.
It's not as black and white as carnivore vs herbivore. Mainstream science would categorize us as an omnivore (eater of everything), but we believe we should be considered "facultative carnivores" - those with a preference towards meat but can also eat non-animal food in addition to animal food. A dog is an example of facultative carnivore - they prefer prey, but will eat some plants as well.
Humans are primates, and so we have features in common, such as our teeth. While most primates eat plants, there are some that will kill and eat meat as well. Since we don't have teeth and claws, humans used their brains to hunt in packs and forge weapons. Our lack of hair and ability to sweat to dissipate body heat allowed us to pursue prey until the prey were overheated and exhausted.
From a scientific standpoint, all the essential nutrients your body needs can be found in a carnivore diet, AND in higher quantities, AND in more bioavailable forms than in plants. When you eat a carnivore diet, you eliminate anti-nutrients found in vegetables, oxylates, lectins, gluten, mold, processed food chemicals, and more. It's the purest form of eating which is why literally everyone will feel so much better. 
Not lies, per se. But it's your body that heals itself when given what it needs, and most of that is obtained in it's purest form in animal products. You can derive some nutrition from certain fruits and certain fruitages of vegetables, but they are in much lower doses, in a state that need converted to a form our body can use, and you are competing with anti-nutrients and plant toxins. Plants do have medicinal value. Many drugs today come from plants.
I have reversed prediabetes, ulcerative colitis, hypertension. Those are my big three. I no longer get skin tags, my gums stopped bleeding, and I don't fall asleep at the wheel anymore (literally). I used to have bloating and gas that could even make a skunk run and hide, and now I never pass gas at all.  
@Geezy
It's not ok. Junk is junk. Everyone should abstain from the processed foods as well as the unholy trinity of grains, refined sugar, and seed oils. Some members here just haven't brought themselves to commit to a proper human diet yet. I've seen them post about English muffins and rice too. But they registered so there must be some interest.
I endorse a Carnivore-centric, Meat-based diet for everyone, which I personally define as being one of the following 4 tiers. Which tier is best for you depends on your current metabolic health...
4. Low Carb, Animal-Based, 100g of carbs or less per day, may include fruit.
3. Keto, 25 carbs or less per day, non-starchy veg, but nix the fruit, save for maybe some berries.
2. Ketovore, less than 10 carbs per day. Mostly carnivore, very minimal or very occasional veg.
1. Carnivore, just animal products and the trace carbs that might be in them.*
* - some individuals will still drink coffee or use spices. 
The more weight you have to lose, or the most healing that needs to be done, then the closer to #1 you want to move. I usually recommend starting at the top with #4 and spending 2 weeks in each tier as you work your way to pure carnivore. This can help you avoid and withdrawals and adaptation issues from making extreme, rapid changes. The Keto Flu doesn't have to be a thing.
Hope this helps! And welcome aboard!

Ive been reading and watching youtube videos on diets for optimal health and the more i research the more im confused...im sure a lot of people can relate...i have issues with the ticker and im trying to turn things around.  Ive been looking at a lot of vegan, mediterranean, keto and carnivore.   Was leaning towards trying vegan or mediteranian for a couple of months but started feeling weak and weird...been trying to be holistic but really like meat.  Doc says no red meat..i dont believe him from all of my research.  Started eating more beef and started feeling a bit better.  I have a few questions becuase now im more confused.  Can any experienced please chime in.  Im starting to think the pesticides in fruits and veggies are more for us than pests.  Maybe the sugars are a bit much also but idk.  But what about the nutrients???im just really sceptical that humans are carnivors becuase of our teeth mostly, theyre so similar to coes and deer, primates which mostly eat fruits,veg grains.  Can anybody make this make sense?  I fast 16 - 18 hrs normally fyi and exercise regularly and trying to curb my drinking prob honestly...im human but looking for motivation.  
1.  What about all of the healing properties in fruits and veggies.  Lies?  
2.  Herbs and spices?  Becuase they're mostly from fruits and veggies?  Lies?  So herbalism is a scam?
3.  Anybody here actually heal conditions on carnivore?  
4. Anybody treating heart issues with carnivore?  Results?  
5.  Looking at some posts was very discouraging.  People eating bacon, waffles, sausages, lots of processed foods.  How is that ok?  Why go through the trouble to follow such a rigid diet and then eat junk regularly?  What am i missing becuase i go to a diner and have french toast, eggs and bacon and was counting that as a bad meal day.  Does carnivore really mean just have meat with your meal?  Becuase ive been doing that forever and honestly ran into some issues.  Please make me understand.