Scott F.

That is incredible news. Congratulations. I go back in mid April and again mid-May for bloodwork for my AQ-4 and immunoglobulin numbers. Prior to carnivore I was way low on one and way high on another. In the last 9 months they have both eased back toward the norm. I'm hoping in the next couple months I am in the 'green". LOL Again, great to hear your success. "getting off medicine" or "not having to be on medicine" is absolutely priceless. Scott

I wish I could go in and delete the above post. I'm not sure how it reads to others but it sure sounds like an 'addict' when I read it again this morning. "It felt really good, and I am looking to get there again before I find out if it is healthy to go that route multiple times. Just get me back to that feeling". Doing the reading and the listening and trying to figure out what's the best route forward. It felt great but no need to hurt myself or my progress chasing something that can be spaced out. Scott

Two eggs laid yesterday, 2 from this morning and 1/2 of last night's ribeye. Maybe not the breakfast of champions to the masses, but I think "we" have some inside information. Scott

Long thread that sort of got away from "carnivore"....my apologies. It is Tuesday evening and the 12 hour shift is winding down. Yesterday I was in the gym early, got more than an hour in and then did the 12 hour dayshift. The energy level is still high. I think I am sold on the combination of carnivore and fasting. I'm thinking a monthly 96 hour fast for the next couple months. The energy level on the two 72 fasts lasted four or five days. From 72 to 96 felt amazing and I am not sure if that means a quicker fall or being sustained another day or so. Now I am reading on the effects of multiple fasts during the month. Maybe fast for 96, wait for the energy level to feel 'normal' and then start another fast. Then I wonder is that too much. Still trying to figure some things out. I have blood work coming up next month and again in May. I will more than likely not double them up til after May. Pleasantly surprised. Scott

Got a good workout in this morning before work. Maybe a tad over an hour. Backs and biceps this morning. I have had a scratchy throat today and maybe some congestion starting. If I feel up to it when I wake up in the morning it is cheat and triceps before taking Wednesday off. Scott

The mask is there to protect other people from you, not the other way around. There is basically no filtration from the outside in and only from the inside out. The biggest reason it works is that your breath is moist and wet. When you exhale the moisture binds to the fibers of the mask, your moisture provides the primary membrane for filtration as it builds. The mask does not provide much but the membrane you create stops you from spreading yourself to others. The mask is not the filter, you creating a primary membrane creates filtration. Scott

My wife is not the biggest fan of the fasting. If I didn't have the NMO/SD she may not be as weary of the fasting. We both know how bad it was way back when and the last six years we were both happy with 'status quo', maintaining and not triggering another set back. Going carnivore was easy for me but she seen it as going out on a limb. The carnivore grew on her enough she has tried it off and on but she seems steadfast against the fasting....for me or her. LOL I'm right at the point I will say I am a believer. If I have the energy all next week like I did on the last two most anyone will be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. Scott

Not sure about that, but thank you. I learned a the last few weeks reading/watching videos and then a ton more actually doing the fast. Maybe the biggest lesson was somewhat of a negative as I ate too much to break the fast. I got real loose later that afternoon and it has lasted into this morning. Lesson learned. I didn't lose much weight during the first two but this one was 7 during and close to 2 more by the day after. Last time the weight dropped a tad but it triggered a fall during the next week. The next few days will teach more about that part of the after-fasting. I was shocked at how much energy I had and how good I felt between 72 and 96 hours. I doubt anyone could have convinced me of that prior to as I would imagine it would be depleted and weak waiting for nourishment. Polar opposites. That was one of the videos I watched this past week. I wound up watching several he made. Great content. Scott

This fast is over and I can't believe how good I felt at the end. I read 'euphoric' is the word and maybe that is close but I just felt good, maybe even rejuvenated. I did eat a little too much coming out of the fast and my stools were a little loose yesterday afternoon. Lesson learned. Followed that up with one of the best beef tenderloins I have ever had. My son knocked it out of the park for my wife's birthday. The funniest part was the ketone meter came in just after the second meal from fasting. I don't do a lot of recommending and advising as I am a novice to most everything discussed in this forum, but the fasting is working wonders for me. Both 72's helped me thru the next week more than anything I would have imagined. I didn't sleep as many hours as I normally do but the sleep was deep/restful, and I woke up well rested and as if I had slept many more hours. I read where sleep could be restless and even some report insomnia while fasting, but it was sort of the opposite for me. Maybe working nights factors in, just not sure. Again, I'm not the preacher nor the teacher as I have much to learn, but the fasting has quickly become one of the most amazing things I have ever experienced. Scott

7lbs this time. 222 on Tuesday morning and 215 this morning. This fast was 3-4lbs more than the last two. I am not sure the difference between this one and the last two. Scott

I am getting ready to break the fast at 96 hours. I can't really explain how good I feel right now. I have energy to spare and feel like I could easily have stretched it out another day. I have read so much the last few weeks as well as the last few days about fasting. I'm not all that smart but I can throw some scientific/medical terms around now, not having a complete understanding, but I think I am in the ballpark. Between 72 hours and 96 hours I had some autophagy going on, the ketosis was sending ketones at what feels like a hectic pace, the Human Growth Harmones are swimming around and even the stem cells are finding things to fix. Around 72 hours it was almost like my body grabbed another gear. It has been an amazing experience. I had a good workout Tuesday morning, ate just before lunch and then pulled the 12 hour night shift. The next two mornings I had really good workouts after two fairly hectic nightshifts. Last night was OT and it was a semi-rough shift. This morning I went to the gym and had a really intense workout, going to failure on most every set. I came home and walked just shy of three miles with 45 pushups along the way. Nothing to eat since Tuesday and I feel great right now. If it were not for plans with my wife I would ride this train another 24 hours or at least to something said 'this is enough'. If anyone had ever told me that after not eating for 96 hours, first I would say there is no way I could go 96 hours without eating and then I would say there is no way I would feel good after that, before they could finish I would say you must have fallen and bumped your head. My wife said I almost sound giddy talking about it. Maybe, maybe not but I am pleasantly surprised at how I feel this morning. Prepping my body with carnivore the last ten months or so, followed by a couple 72 hour fasts, and now this 96 hour endeavor is amazing. I'm looking forward to this week to see how the energy level lasts. Scott

No truer words have been spoken. Scott

Most of them do. I use the plain. I am sure the flavored ones will taste like straight sugar. I don't use them often just when I feel like I am going to fall way short of my protein target. I hadn't thought about making my own and going that route sounds more appealing. Thanks for sharing. Scott

I just bought it on Ebay for $5. Cheap enough. Scott

I use a protein powder when I do use the protein drinks. Ingredients are key as some are loaded with carbs and sugars. I don't really count calories but if protein is XX amount per gram and you get 30 grams per serving the total calories on the ingredients should be really close to that number for protein. I use Bulk Supplement non-flavored protein powder. It is 30 grams per serving which works out to about 120 calories, but the total is 130 per serving. 10 extra calories from fillers and I am sure the stuff that makes it not taste like crap. Some of the powders will be 120 calories from protein but be 150-175 total. That is where they can sneak the carbs and sugars in on us. And since most of us believe carbs and sugars are an addiction, having them slipped in on us is not a good thing. I have never made one from scratch, but it actually sounds good. I'm deep into this fast, and although I am not hungry, a homemade shake sounds good and is probably a good way to break the fast. Between Google and Youtube I am sure there are some solid ideas. Thanks for prompting my brain. Scott

My NMO/SD and MS are basically the same with the biggest difference being Neuromyelitis Optica Spectrum Disorder attacks the eyes and the optic nerve. It derives from an extremely overly active immune system. I was on pain and inflammation medicine from 2018 til 2024, six/seven weeks into Carnivore. Just six or seven weeks and although the foods were carnivore strict, I was still using drink mixers to get in the water, I no longer needed the medicine. As far as the auto-immune disease NMO/SD I have been pain and inflammation free for the last ten months or so. My immunoglobulin numbers, some were way low and other were way high, the low meaning my immune system was just not doing anything and the high meaning it was attacking both good and bad tissue, have inched back toward the 'green' or normal. I have blood tests coming in May and if the trend continues, I may be in the green and normal again. Some put it off on it is the weight that is lost and that there are better ways to lose weight. That may be true, but for me, I lost a bunch of weight on a couple different occasions and the pain and inflammation continued to persist. Six/seven weeks of Carnivore and it disappeared/stopped/no longer an issue. Carnivore has been life changing for me. I doubt I ever eat any other way. I am worried if I go to another way of eating and flare up, maybe Carnivore will not be as effective the next time. I don't feel comfortable with that type of gamble. I know as soon as we tell people who we eat everyone becomes a doctor/medical nutritional exert. I don't know enough to recommend Carnivore to people with other medical issues and I probably have passed the point of telling people about it for weight loss. For NMO/SD and MS I know what it is like to be on the downside of those two and it is not pretty. Really rough. Not to be funny but I have ended up pain free because I threw the bun, mustard, mayo and ketchup off my hamburger and just ate the hambuger. So true, but so hard to sell. Scott

I'm working tonight, going to the gym in the morning and then to the feed store. I should get home mid to late morning and I plan to eat soon after. It will be eggs of some sort. I normally try to eat 8-10 eggs a day. Over the last three days the chickens are way out front. We have eggs everywhere in the kitchen. Sunday will be catch up time. Scott

I'm about 74-75 hours deep and just woke up coming off nightshift. I feel really good and don't feel the least bit hungry. I am going to stretch it out to 96 hours. I will eat a small lunch tomorrow when I wake up and then we have a big family gathering tomorrow at the cabin. It will be meats galore coming off the grill. I am sure I need to eat light coming out of the fasting, but I doubt I will. LOL Especially if it is a fatty cut of anything coming off the pit. The only regret I have with this fast is that the ketone meter didn't come in on time. I'm interested to see ketone levels at stages as well as to how deep I get into ketosis. I am down six pounds since Tuesday and the last two times at 70+ hours the weight loss was minimal. However, it did spark a fall, and I lost 5-6-7 pounds the following week. If that happens this time, I will be in the neighborhood of losing 100 pounds in just shy of 11 months. Next week will be my four dayshifts that are affectionately called 'hell week'. All the day shift people are there, meetings scheduled for no more reason than to schedule the next meeting, maintenance activity in a constant buzz, and all interrupts production but at the end of the day the first question is why did production fall off? Amazing how some things slip by some people. This week always leaves me drained, so much so, the first day off is Friday and it is normally wasted as I am just too tired/worn out to do anything. A wasted day most of the times. After the last two fasts I have been full of energy throughout the four days, even going to the gym before shift around 4AM, and that Friday still had energy to burn. It lasted into the weekend before I came off that "post fasting high". (not sure that is a thing but it the first words I think of to describe it). If I am anywhere close to that this upcoming week, I'm sold on ~72 hour fasting (at least once per month for now) People should look into "carnivore + fasting". Scott

I do the same in the grocery store. This last month my wife did 30 days on carnivore and did really well as far as sticking to the diet. At 30 days she was done as the 'lack of variety' and how much she likes vegetables/pastas/rice and such. As she re-stocked on the non-carnivore items I too was all about the labels. It seems like the world revolves around high fructose corn syrup, seed oils and derivatives of sugar, but still sugar. Both of us dread the grocery store. it is time consuming and expensive. The carnivore changed so much of that for me. I come in the door head straight to the meat section skipping the breads and produce and sauces and vegetables. I swing thru for toiletries, from there over to the eggs, butter and occasionally cheese, and out the door. In and out in no time. LOL Scott

No truer words have been spoken. Scott

Salt, not slat in the above post. About 69 hours deep in the fast and I feel really good. Night shift went off with plenty of energy and this morning I hit the gym on the way home. I started feeling the work earlier than usual and sort of cut it short for today. I think maybe a combination of 69 hours into the fast, the 12-13 hour night shift and I didn't sleep my normal amount yesterday. I am sure any one of the them could have drained my tank a bit but I'm thinking the combination of the three. This time around my blood sugar didn't get as high as last time. After 8 hours I was at 70 then 85 afterwards. which has been the highest reading on this fast. This morning after work it was 78. This time around I'm at 6 pounds lost since I ate at lunch time on Tuesday. My last meal was six eggs vs. the red meat I did the last two times. If I hit a fall next week like I did the last two times I will be pushing the 100lb lost mark. Straight craziness as with carnivore I don't feel like I am trying all that hard. There are a lot of days I have energy to burn and could walk a bit further, increase the amount I run during the walk, increase the amount of pushups along the walk or even ramp it up in the gym. Again, straight craziness. I'm about to crash for the day and have to work tonight. When I wake up I will decide if this is my first 96 hour fast or maybe eat at work tonight. I haven't decided. If the energy level is there next week like the last time a 72-96 hour fast on my three nightshifts each month will become my new norm. I always say I don't preach or teach the diet, nor do I get up on the pedestal, but sometimes I feel like other people just need to know. Straight craziness. Scott

If my story would interest anyone I'd be happy to talk about it. The fact I went in with zero expectations other than weight loss and then considering where I am at now is sort of ironic. Scott

Dr. Chaffee has a couple good videos on it, and I think Dr. Berry talks about it as well. There are a number of videos on YouTube about carnivore and MS. I will try to find it, but it went into detail on the L-Arginine and L-carnitine and how the immune system gets fooled by the molecular make-up between a plant and a protein. The body then mistakes one for the other and attacks the protein on the myelin causing the lesions. The lesions can be anywhere on the brain or along the spine. Diagnosis is always hard because the symptoms can be all over the place and can actually come and go during the diagnosis period. I was put on a cholesterol medicine in August of 2018 and within a few days the symptoms were mounting. I stopped taking the medicine because I checked all the boxes of the possible side effects. From there the symptoms worsened to the point I was in the bed for days on end with no real relief other than pain medicine, which left me even more zombie like. Carnivore seems to help so many different auto immune issues because it helps remove inflammation and most auto immune issues stem around some sort of inflammation. Some refer to it as leaky gut, but a lot of inflammation comes from food leaving the stomach not completely digested. Inflammation is the natural reaction. At the same time on the 'not so good' diets we need all these vitamins and mineral and anti-oxidants and the oxidants usually stem from the plants. The plants have evolved as well and the very things they developed to survive are the things that negatively affect our gut. Vicious cycle from there. I end up spending some dead time at work surfing the net. I will type in CARNIVORE + ______________ and then fill in the blank and see what pops. Stanford and St. Mary's are doing studies on the carnivore approach. I have read mostly because so many people are reporting the positive effects and some members of the scientific community are digging into the possibilities. The benefits seem endless. Scott

I'm drinking just water but eating some salt here and there. I have never been much on coffee and I'm from the south, we "thicken" our teas with sugar. Close to syrup in some places. LOL Just water and slat during the fast. Scott

I understand the fatigue. I had the same symptoms for several years but they would come and go. By the time I got to the doctor they were gone and diagnosing an autoimmune disease is difficult enough and trying to do so with symptoms that go away is even more difficult. I had loss of motor skills in my left arm that sent me into stroke protocol what felt like a hundred times. Explaining the issue and then trying to convince a doctor I am not having a stroke was always quite difficult. In Sept 2018 I woke up on Labor Day and I was as blind as a bat. I was freaking out. I tried to get out of bed and my left arm was just hanging there and then the pains in my neck and spine started. It was like nothing I had ever experienced. After a few hours my vision started to return but the pain and lack of mobility remained. Soon after that my right thigh and right shoulder felt like my skin was on fire. I am not sure a cutting torch would have been any hotter. The cat scans started, followed by MRI's, visual evoked testing, spinal taps, bloodwork, etc., etc, and I got a diagnosis in late December. Those three-four months were a tough go. I do a rituxin/rituxamab infusion every six months. Other than my right forearm always tingles with a burn sensation I have been OK. Fatigue and lack of energy was on again off again and it sort of happened regardless of my approach or whatever I had going on with work/life. I was basically always either tired or getting tired. My son tried carnivore and lost 12-14lbs or so rather quickly so I saw carnivore as another hack to lose weight. I am a boring eater so 'just meats' sounded easy. I didn't read anything or research or ask, I just started eating meat. The weight started falling off almost immediately. After three or so weeks I started watching videos and reading carnivore articles, and I will admit I was thinking most of them were quacks or hacks because they all stopped mid-stream and asked me to either subscribe or buy something. There is a lady from England who stopped all her MS medicine and as I was not believing her it dawned on my I had missed my taking my medicine. (I took the pain and inflammation medicine as necessary because the gabapentin made me zombie like). I chalked it up as a coincidence. Then a few days later I realized I had not needed it again, and again being a nay-sayer at heart, I thought coincidence. By week 5-6-7 I had not taking any of the gabapentin-Neurontin or prednisone. And from there I have not taking any of the medicine since late May/early June of last year. I still do the infusions but since Carnivore my immunoglobulin number are inching back toward normal. Really low on one test and really high/overactive on another since 2018 and the last couple show signs both needles are moving back toward the middle. I try not to say what I am going to do tomorrow, as inevitably the intentions crash, but I don't really see me coming off carnivore, even to a lesser carb/sugar diet. I ate a trash diet my entire life and I am not sure exactly what built up/did enough damage to trigger the onset of NMO/SD. I am sure there are any number of things I could re-introduce and be OK. Finding out which ones is a bigger gamble for me that I am willing to take right now. I am hanging out on the carnivore side of the fence and choosing not to rock the boat. LOL I'm glad the good Lord showed me this light. Scott