Scott F.

Just a few boiled eggs as I am breaking my fast. Scott

Couple this with Bob's video on calculating fat to protein ratios and it becomes a great resource for those counting. Scott

Today I am scrolling thru the 'what did you eat today?' to see how I am going to break the fast either tomorrow night or Tuesday morning. Although I am not hungry thus far, the 'what did you eat?' meals look very appealing. I'm using the thread as 'my menu'. Thanks for all the entries. Scott

Maybe 60 or so hours deep. Blood sugar still higher than last time but it is in the morning but still less than 100 at 97. My blood ketone level is 3.6 and my GKI is down around 1.5 or so. I worked last night and went to the gym this morning for about 45 minutes. I got the entire workout in by skipping the rest periods in between. Probably could have gotten a little more intense if I rested in between but just powered thru. Energy level is still pretty high and I feel good/felt good all night. I spent most of the last two nights reading articles and watching videos on fasting both intermittent and extended. I'm doing a water fast but I read quite a bit on a dry fast. I think I am aways away from trying a dry fast. I probably need some more water fasts to get more tuned in to recognize signs just to be safe. Again, so far so good. Scott

Knocking on wood as I type but this one has started off as well, if not better than the other three. So far, so good. I read/watched a video with Dr. Bikman and he said the more one fasts the more the body learns/adapts quicker. This morning my glucose is 91 and my ketone level is 1.5 which gives a GKI of 3.6. Not that the strips are all that accurate, but I have more excess this time that I did the previous two times. I wish I the strips had come in last time but I think I am a tad bit deeper in ketosis this time than last, but no real data to support it. At about 36-38 hours in I am feeling good and still have 'normal' energy. I worked last night and did a pretty good workout this morning. So far, so good. Scott

Great read and a great topic. As long as you are learning you will better and better at it. Maybe don't purposely test yourself if you feel like you already know the outcome. Anytime a person spends years on sugars and carbs at some point there is some correlation to addiction. Everyone depth is different, all the ones that come off the addiction and get past it, all do so in differing ways and differing times. Since you identified the learning, I would also recommend you celebrate the wins, all the time eating strict. And go one step further, celebrate 'getting up off the ground, dusting yourself off and digging in again. I think that is the measure. Good luck as you move forward and staying on track. Again, great topic as most can relate. Scott

I'm hoping so. I have bloodwork coming up soon. My immunoglobulin numbers have inched back toward the norm since eating carnivore. I am hoping with the three to four maybe five prolonged fasts prior to testing will help boost/reset my immune system. This would be quite the turnaround in 12 months between the two. The positives I can actually see, and feel, is the energy level from about 72 hours deep and the three to four days after the 96 hour fast has been completed. I had crazy amounts of energy after my first 96 hour fast and I felt incredible for several days afterwards. So, yep, sometimes 'nothing' is the best option. Scott

Nothing. LOL Scott

True. Well said. Scott

Nice work everyone. I hit well over 10,000 steps on Mon-Tues-Wed, lifted each day and then lifted again this morning after night shift. I gained weight this month but not all that surprised as I was eating like mad and got off track with protein and fats. I'm slowly easing away from the weight being meaningful each day and it landing where it lands. All in all I guess it was a good month. Congrats to everyone who put in the work. Scott

I rotate dayshift to nightshift twice each month. I think going forward I am going to fast on my nights and not sure of the eating amounts on the non-fasting days. Mostly I'm going to ensure the fat to protein ratio is better than it has been the last month or two. I am not sure how long this one will last. On the last one from 72 hours to 96 hours it felt like someone hit the nitrous or the boost button. I sustained that energy til later the following week. If anyone told me that before I actually experienced it, I would think you had a couple screws loose. Just doesn't make sense from the outside looking in. After the first 12 hours my blood glucose was a bit higher than I expected at 97. I am sure there is some 'dawn effect' in there somewhere but I'm good at 97. My ketone level was 1.1 which is in the middle of the 'optimal range'. I feel like I will get a bit deeper as the fast continues. After 11 months of some inadvertent eating miscues as well as some experimentation, I think I am starting to dial in where I want to be long term between carnivore and fasting intervals. I could very well be changing lanes from it being a "diet" to it being a "lifestyle". Time will tell. Scott

I did three eggs over top of a small ribeye and small sirloin. Scott

I think the two words can be differentiated by time. I'm not quite 11 months in and a lot of the time I still consider it a carnivore diet. At some point I will call it a lifestyle. I think that measurement of time is different for everyone. At the same time, I don't like using the word diet. I think all diets work for a time and then they all fail within time. It is almost a bad word, but it sort of fits. Great topic. Scott

I have been watching Dr. Bikman videos as of late. One of the newest things I have learned is that it is more important on how you come out of the fast than it is to measure the length of the fast. Most lead off with I fasted XX amount of hours. But if you come out of the fast and eat like a horse (or two horses like I did) to sometimes overcompensate for not eating, it can not give the benefits one would think. During the fast the benefits are there but there can be some losses on the back end. I would think the 24 hour fast, or eating OMAD, consistently will keep one from overcompensating during your eating window as it becomes habit. Doing a 24 hour fast and then eating twice the next day may lean toward overcompensating. I would think if one did a 24 hour fast to get all the benefits the food intake to break the fast must be minimal on the day after. Simply not sure. I'm just shy of 11 months in and I can only speak to my experiences. I had my best over-all results from carnivore when it morphed into eating about once per day. I would occasionally snack on some bacon or a left over burger, but that snack could push me past 24 hours the next day. With that, 24-hour fasting on a somewhat regular basis would be just as beneficial, maybe even better because it probably more sustainable. Again, this is seeing thing thru my lens. Might not hit the mark. Scott

I don't try to dumb down everything, but I like his conversations because he can put it out without it being a such a super high level you need a handful of degrees to keep up. Big fan. Scott

I have been watching a number of his videos as of late. Really interesting and really informative. Scott

combined before and after. I was down around 213-214 a month or so ago when I started trying to hit the ideal protein target. My weight went up around 4-5 pounds. The 96-hour fast dropped 7 but then as I started eating again to hit that amount, I jumped up three or four pounds quickly. I guess there is a net loss in there somewhere, but I track daily and most days a couple three times per day. I approximate as I think I ate too much too soon coming out of the fast. One, I had some stool issues and two, my body was probably waiting to store whatever came down the pipe and I obliged by sending in a lot of food, maybe even more than I would have eaten if I hadn't fasted. Sort of overcompensation. I am sure that might even be a pound or two of the 8-9 I mentioned. Couple that with I refueled with moderate fat and high protein. Not a great combination. I think the 8-9lbs is what I ate, when I ate it and how the amounts affected the breaking of the fast. Just for numbers as I don't count calories, but if I eat 2000 calories a day and then fast for a day I am 2000 in deficit for those two days. But if I come out of the fast and eat 3000 and overcompensate for three days, I'm now in surplus. I think I still got all the benefits from the fast from autophagy, ketones, growth hormones and stem cells but I gained some weight on the back end. I feel like I couldn't see the forest with all the trees in the way. LOL Scott

Yep. It is pretty straight forward. I didn't really have an energy problem, but the fat content was low. When the protein is that much (and I am not sure what the number is for everyone) and the fat content is too low gluconeogenesis can happen. The "extra" protein is turned to sugar and some of that sugar will be used for energy (probably why I didn't see the energy drop with the lesser fat content) but parts of that sugar will be stored as fat. (most likely why I gained 8-9 pounds over the month or so I have been trying to hit the protein per pound target). Hitting the target is doable for some if you have the eating capacity to eat X amount of protein and then still ensure the fat content is a bit higher than that X amount of protein. I zoned in on hitting the protein target and struggled with eating that much food. I sacrificed some fat content trying to get there. Energy level was fine, got a tad bigger and some stronger but the down side was 8-9lbs re-gained. It is not the end of the world but re-gaining sucks. Scott

The last paragraph is absolutely golden. I have only been on Carnivore for just shy of 11 months. I have some bloodwork that says I am healthier. I have stopped taking some medicines that were needed prior to carnivore. I have lost a bunch of weight with minimal effort. And above all that I know I feel better than I did 11 months ago. Will this current way of eating prolong my life, maybe, maybe not, but from this point to that point I feel like I will feel better than if I had stayed my previous course. I also agree with the validity of some studies which are based on questionnaires and unfounded comments. I think that happens on both sides of any debate. Most of the time the funding plays too big of a role in how a study ends up. We had this very conversation at work last week. I was in the minority with our Engineers and science crowd. A couple threw some analogies on me from their viewpoint so I tossed this one back out there as we talked carnivore vs. non-carnivore. If I tie a brick to your foot and push you in deep water, you will struggle to stay afloat. If I tie a second brick to your foot you will submerge, fight like mad to get some air, submerge and fight your way up for the next breath. Most everything gives to 'time under tension'. If we have problems we put for the effort and a certain amount of effort over a certain amount of time can solve a problem. Time under tension. Works both in a positive light and in a negative light. Time under tension is the key to most everything we do, If that first brick is the dumpster trash diet the bodily is greatly affected, and if that second brick is the amount of time a person ate the trash diet that is time under tension. Then, I hand you an ink pen and you sink to the bottom and drown. Can I say based on my current study if you hold an ink pen while swimming you will drown? A lot of studies will not factor that into studies so either side can be right. One group can say the time under tension caused him to drown and the other group can actually say an ink pen while swimming will indeed cause drowning. And whatever side spends the most money is what the general public is then fed. Funny how science can work sometimes. Scott

I am in the midst of seeing how it works for me. I have struggled/am struggling to get to 200 grams of protein as that is just a lot of food for me to eat. When I use leaner cuts like chicken breasts, my fat content is not where it needs to be. Same thing if I use a protein shake to hit that number. Off the top of my head, I thought my fat content was sufficient but after further review, not so much. If you can eat the total amount to keep the fat higher and the protein moderate and still hit the gram per pound rate, more power to you. I can hardly hit the target with a lesser amount of fat, I am almost positive I can't hit the target and the fat content be enough. For me, I gained weight. Between 8-9lbs over a month or so. Even missing on the proteins, I was close, I am stronger and certain looks in the mirror I am growing/hypertrophy. So, for me not hitting 1 gram per pound is not going to be the end of the world. Maybe I get stronger and grow more if I consistently hit 200 grams of protein per day, but I doubt I will be Mr. Olympia/Mr. Universe so, again, for me, I think I can scale back the protein to make room for the fat and still make some progress. I am not sure there is a 'best of both worlds', and thus far I am finding I need to find something in the middle. Once I adjust and feel like my fat content is up front I will try to eat a little more at the correct ratio (or closer than I am now) but that tasks looks daunting. I think this may end up being very individualistic. Scott

Agreed. I like the formatting. It is almost like a message board forum on paper. I think it will also help some people who may struggle with "variety" when trying to go carnivore. It breaks down the 'minimal impact non-carnivore' type foods. Again, a solid way to spend $5. LOL Scott

I thought about making a video and posting it to youtube but never seem to make time. I feel like mine is a success story on a couple different levels, but I am sort of biased. LOL Scott

Not me. I'm in the +800 club. Scott

around in my head......

Some days I feel like I have a pretty good GRASP and then somedays it is like all this information is bouncing around un my heads, with a ton or useless information as well, and within that mental demolition derby I think I lose that GRASP. I'm a fan of the book, no doubt. As I read, it was like I was saying, "Yep, yep to that, knew that, yep" and then the topic of 'eating protein to get stronger/bigger'. The 8-9lns is not the end of the world. I feel like a slight adjustment here and there and I would be back down but I'm getting to the point where the weight is just a number. We should think that way and the cale should not be the real measure of success or improvement, but it like "calories" for some, it is a part of the brainwashing that holds on at times. LOL Nice video on the other post. I watched a bit of it and then the chickens were coming off the grill. I had to have priorities. LOL We did chicken, pork belly and sausages on the grill. My son is working on timing as some cook is coming up in a month or so. I'm like that old broke down dog sitting at the end of the table hoping someone drops something. LOL (but at the same time it is my cabin, my cook porch and my wood, so I 'partake' as he practices). Scott