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Thanks very much, Bob. I'll look into those.
Maurice is a clinical nutritionist/heart health specialist. Very helpful so far.
I haven't taken advantage of his 30 minute or 60 minute phone consult yet. I'm still gathering information for that.
His fee is much, much less than Doctors Ovadia or Wolfson.

🤣 that is a great explanation of what we do. I love it. 👍
And that is how it’s done. There has never been and will never be a true RCT of how we eat. And since we are all so individual we must be our own N of 1 experiment. You are doing exactly what you should be doing and that’s finding out what works best for you.
I’m personally scared of sugar. As an addict I feel that I must stay away from it. I don’t even want any sweet taste in my mouth, even from the artificial stuff. But that’s just me knowing me.
Kerry Mann has put out three different videos about the 5 stages of carnivore. When I saw the first one I realized that he had nailed exactly what I had experienced.
The 5 Stages of Carnivore
1. The decision
2. Adaptation
3. Healing
4. Ravenous
5. Maintenance
The ravenous stage was really something. After I had lost all of the weight it looked like I was going to loose and my body had healed I became enormously hungry. I recognized that my body no longer had the fat stores to sustain my energy levels and it was craving more fat and proteins. That’s why I can eat more than some people. I have found that if I don’t satisfy that hunger I’ll start losing weight so in the maintenance stage I have to make sure I eat enough. Never in my life that I’d be in a situation that I’d need to eat more to keep from losing weight.
Have I mentioned I love carnivore. 😋

Of course. It’s very normal especially if you just jumped right in rather than easing into it. You could be eating too much fat but more than likely it’s just your gut biome going through the adaptation stage of rebuilding itself to digest fats and proteins instead of carbs. This phase can last anywhere from a couple of weeks to two months. For me it lasted 30 days.
That’s common. Fat is very satiating so we stay satisfied much longer. We do t get that rollercoaster ride like we do with carbs. Just eat when you are hungry and eat until you are full. Just make sure you are getting enough fat.
Again, normal. In the beginning your body is having to change its source of energy from glucose to fats. This can take some time so it’s important to just keep eating plenty of fat ( but not to the point of diarrhea). Give it time and it will turn around as your body adapts.
Be aware that what some people experience others may not. I can’t say that my mental clarity has improved any but my irritability has improved greatly. I’ve never had depression so I can’t relate to that.
That first ten pounds were probably just water weight. You haven’t stalled, you probably haven’t even started losing any fat yet. Until your body adapts to using fat for fuel you won’t lose any. A little advice for you would be to not be too concerned with the scale. Instead get you a tailors tape measure, the cloth kind. Measure every part of your body. Neck, shoulders, chest, waist, hips, butt, thighs, calves, biceps and forearms. Write them down in a journal and then remeasure every thirty days. This will be a better metric of your weight loss than the scale.
This early in the diet I wouldn’t mess with any digestive supplements. If after you’ve been doing this for 3-6 months, if you’re still having issues then ox bile might be a good choice. But give your system time to adapt and heal.
The only supplements you might concern yourself with at this time would be electrolytes of sodium, magnesium and potassium. This way of eating flushes water out of our system so it can affect your levels and might need to be replaced this can also affect your energy levels
I think you should just ride it out. Your body is going through a radical change and the transition is different for everyone so just take some vitamin P (patience) and give your body time to heal. You didn’t wreck your metabolism over night and you won’t fix it overnight.
Just KCCO (Keep Calm & Carnivore On)
Oh, and welcome to Carnivore Talk we are glad you joined us.

thanks Nunya

These are the 2 brands I eat.

thanks Nunya

Thank you, Geoff.

I am going to be leery of drugs in general. If the doc wants to prescribe something, I am going to research it well before it ever passes my lips.
I still take blood pressure medicine. For the last 5-6 years I have taken 100mg of Losartan Potassium (ARB) and 2.5mg of Nebivolol (Beta Blocker). Now since the fenofibrate debacle, my blood pressure has increased. I now average 155/105 and I am not happy about that. Hypertension isn't good for kidneys, and damaged kidneys cause hypertension. I am in a bit of a catch 22.
So, currently my strategy is to quadruple my beta blocker to 10mb of Nebivolol. Then in 2 weeks I am going to talk to my nephrologist about ditching Losartan in favor of Olmesartan. I will also listen to his suggestions.
I'm not anti-drug, per se. I'm just overly cautious now because of the fenofibrate that ruined all my progress I had been making - putting me in a worse spot than I was before I started carnivore.

Independence Day 2025. Eliminated statin tonight after years of being on one.
Freedom...hope so 📿

I've never been on a statin. And I don't plan on being on one, at least not yet.
I am not necessarily opposed to a low-dose statin, ala Dr. Ken Berry and Dr. Ford Brewer, both of whom I do trust.
But given my kidney issues, I am very timid about taking any sort of drug ever again, and I have read articles that spoke about the negative effects of statins on kidneys.

Same here. The Food Pyramid would probably have been a better option for me than my carefree, eat anything I want, SAD diet.

thanks Geoff

thanks Scott

Independence Day 2025. Eliminated statin tonight after years of being on one.
Freedom...hope so 📿

Yes, I did tell him that I heard long term use might contribute to dementia. I think he basically ignored what I said.

Thanks, I'll look into that.
Since Natto is plant-based, is it ok for Carnivore?
Do you take it as a supplement?
What brand do you take?

Check this out from Mitch (Old Guy Carnivore) on cognitive decline at 10:07 into the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN-XYuw1x5Y

It would be nice if the inflammation in my neck would go away after stopping the statin. So far, the diet hasn't eliminated it completely.

Thanks Geoff, good food for thought.
Meds to potentially quit (in order, according to my current thinking):
Statin
Beta blocker
Blood thinner
Anti-arrhythmic
Then substitute with natural alternatives if helpful.

@Meathead
Yep. me the same. Like I knew the 'rules' but they didn't apply to me. I started off every day for years and years with two bacon, egg and cheese on white bread with two Little Debbie oatmeal cakes with a 20oz. Mountain Dew. Then multiple Mountain Dews throughout the day and then enough beer and liquor to float a boat.
Just before I got out of the service I was 195-205 and could run just about around the world (or that is how I felt). Within two years I ate and drank myself into the 250's and within 8-10 years I was well over 300.
I think maybe it is worse when you know better but choose not to do better. LOL
Scott

And that’s what drives me nuts about doctors and influencers who treat us as though we are all the same. Even in our carnivore community’s people act like we are all the same and then a newcomer comes along and gets discouraged because what he was told to do didn’t work for him and so he quits. A good example is the influence that Paul Saladino has with is fruit diet. What works for him will not work for most people like us but he promotes it for everyone. Then they wonder why carnivore isn’t working when they eat 300 grams of fruits and honey.

I would rather eat Natto than take a man made pill full of who knows what
with countless side effects.
Natto is the ONLY plant that passes thru my lips. 50g / day to control BP
I generally eat 2lbs of fatty meat/eggs a day
So I would surmise my diet consists of 95% carnivore ( i'm being generous with 5% to natto )
It's been proven to work for BP by studies in Japan, it's been around for 1000's of years so I'd trust
the studies.

Do the research on benefits/negatives on Natto, buy a 3 pack and stir it well to activate
the enzymes.
It's not for everyone but even myself will eat this if it keeps me alive, better health and not taking pills.

Screw the supplemental man made crap = pills
I go to the asian markets buying 45 day supply so 15 packs of 3 (they come in 3 packs)
I don't use the soy & mustard packs with them because they contain sugars and stuff
I don't want in my body.

Independence Day 2025. Eliminated statin tonight after years of being on one.
Freedom...hope so 📿

Yes, I did tell him that I heard long term use might contribute to dementia. I think he basically ignored what I said.