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Can you recommend a good carnivore book?
Bob replied to BevG's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
This is difficult to answer. I would say most people do best when they keep the carbs very low, whether that's a meat-based keto (20g a day or less), ketovore (10g a day or less), or carnivore (trace carbs, if any). This would rule out the "Animal-based" diet, because the fruit and honey have sugar and carbs in them. Can you still lose weight if you go animal-based? It's possible, but it will likely be much slower than a ketogenic diet.- 15 replies
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Jesus was NOT a vegan - Behind the Christspiracy! [Video/Podcast]
Bob replied to Bob's topic in Articles & Resources
This is where I will struggle. I'm involved in too many things, lol. My construction business in particular is booming in the summer.- 15 replies
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If you re-introduced a food and "it went right through you", this could be simply because the cells in your digestive tract that were previously tolerant to that food are now gone and replaced by new cells that haven't been exposed to that food. But since you mentioned increased inflammation and inner ear symptoms, that's probably a good sign that this vegan drink isn't all that good for you after all.
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Seeing is Believing! Carnivore Diet Results! [Video/Podcast]
Bob replied to Bob's topic in Articles & Resources
Thanks. Treadmill is still in the garage since I bought it, lol. I did set up my pool though. You can actually get a good workout in there too. -
There would be some logic to this. Iodized salt has iodine added to it. This is beneficial. But at the same time, it's refined, and all the trace minerals have been removed. You still get these trace minerals in sea salt, real salt, pink salt, etc. So if you mix them together, you get some trace minerals, and the iodine. Morton's table salt has dextrose in it as an anti-caking agent, but it's still 99% sodium chloride so that dextrose is pretty trivial.
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Vegan fake meats are linked to increase in heart deaths Experts say plant-based diets can boost health – but NOT if they are ultra-processed Story by Rebecca Whittaker For Mailonline and Kate Pickles Health Editor For The Daily Mail UPFs such as vegan burgers and cakes increase risk of heart death, study says READ MORE: All the potentially deadly health dangers of energy drinks Replacing meat and dairy with plant-based swaps might not be the simple health hack you think it is. Although eating fresh vegetables is linked with a lower risk of cardiovascular diseases, you may want to reconsider how many vegan burgers and cakes you tuck into. Scientists found opting for ultra-processed plant-based products — such as vegan sausages burgers intended to replace animal-based foods, as well as cakes and crisps — is linked with 15 per cent higher risk of suffering heart attacks and strokes. That's according to analysis of more than 118,000 participants' diets from the UK Biobank study. Packed with fat, salt and laden with sugar ultra-processed foods have long been vilified for increasing heart attack and stroke risk. Although eating plant-based foods is associated with a lower risk of cardiovascular diseases, you may want to reconsider how many vegan burgers you are tucking into as researchers say UPF foods could increase risk © Provided by Daily Mail Now research published in Lancet Regional Health - Europe, suggests these dangers are even present in plant-based UPF's, with a high consumption linked to a 15 per cent increase in heart death. The research, which involved experts from Imperial College London, utilised data from more than 118,000 Brits, aged 40 to 69 years, who had their diets assessed over at least two days. Scientists split food into plant-based products, such as fruit, vegetables, grains, bread, as well as cakes and sweets, and animal-based products such as fish, poultry, red meat, eggs and dairy. The two groups were then further divided into either ultra processed (UPF) and non-ultra processed. This data was then linked to hospital and mortality records to obtain information on cardiovascular diseases. An easy sign a food could be a UPF is if it contains ingredients you wouldn't find in your kitchen cupboard, such as unrecognisable colourings, sweeteners and preservatives. Another clue is the amount of fat, salt and sugar lurking inside each pack, with UPFs typically containing high amounts© Provided by Daily Mail People who ate a lot of plant-based ultra-processed foods had a 7 per cent greater risk of suffering conditions like blocked heart vessels and had a 15 per cent heightened risk of dying when compared to vegetarians whose diets had less. Upping intake of none-processed vegetarian foods – such as fresh fruit and vegetables – by 10 per cent was linked to an 8 per cent lower risk of getting heart disease. Deaths from heart disease fell by a fifth in vegetarians who consumed the least UPFs and 13 per cent in cardiovascular disease overall – caused by a build-up of fatty deposits inside the arteries. Dr Eszter Vamos, co-author of the study, from Imperial College London’s School of Public Health, said: ‘Fresh plant-based foods such as fruits and vegetables, wholegrains and legumes are known to have important health and environmental benefits. ‘While ultra-processed foods are often marketed as healthy foods, this large study suggests that plant-based ultra-processed foods do not seem to have protective health effects and are linked to poor health outcomes.’ Food additives and industrial contaminants present in these foods could cause oxidative stress and inflammation, the scientists suggest. They added that nutritional guidelines promoting plant-based diets and cutting down on meat must also promote the importance of avoiding UPFs for good heart health. Packed with fat, salt and laden with sugar ultra-processed foods have long been vilified for increasing heart attack and stroke risk© Provided by Daily Mail Study author Dr Fernanda Rauber, an expert in preventative medicine from the University of São Paulo in Brazil, said the it's the first to show plant-based ultra-processed foods are associated with increased the risk of cardiovascular diseases. 'Despite being plant-based, these foods may contribute to risk factors such as dyslipidemia and hypertension due to their composition and processing methods,' she said. 'Food additives and industrial contaminants present in these foods might cause oxidative stress and inflammation, further aggravating the risks. 'Therefore, our results support the shift towards plant-based food choices that consider the degree of processing to improve cardiovascular health outcomes.' But independent experts said it was critical the study's findings are out into context. They highlighted how research study lumped all plant-based UPFs together a process that included crisps, cakes, sweets and other fatty foods known to be bad for our heart health. Professor Gunter Kuhnle, an expert in nutrition and food science at the University of Reading said: 'The results of the latest study on ultra-processed food are not surprising, as “plant-based ultra-processed foods” include foods that are well known to have an adverse effect on health: foods that are high in sugar, fat and salt.' 'The foods included are for example “pastries, buns and cakes”, “confectionary” and “soft drinks” – and their impact on health has been well known before the concept of ultra-processing has been popular,' he added. 'This might cause confusion among casual readers, as it could be misunderstood as plant-based alternatives to animal products such as plant-based drinks or meat alternatives. However, these foods appear to contribute only a small amount of total “UPF” intake in this study,' Professor Kuhnle stresses. He adds that it's also 'not surprising' that eating more minimally processed food, such as fruit and vegetables, was a positive for heart health. The study catagorises all plant-based UPFs together which includes crisps, cakes, sweets and other fatty foods which are known to be bad for our heart health© Provided by Daily Mail Dr Duane Mellor, dietitian and spokesperson for British Dietetic Association also said the way the study was designed needed to be considered. 'It explored the effects of all plant based ultra-processed foods – although this included plant-based meat alternatives, these only made up 0.2 per cent of the energy from ultra-processed foods consumed by participants who were followed during the study,' he said. 'The main foods which were considered as plant-based ultra-processed foods were processed baked foods including packaged breads, pastries and cake and biscuits along with crisps and soft drinks,' he said. Dr Mellor added: 'So this study possibly highlights the problem that many foods that do not contain animal products, which includes biscuits, crisps, confectionary and soft drinks, are technically plant based but would not be considered essential as part of a healthy diet by the majority of people. 'So, it is important to emphasise that just because a food or drink is technically plant based, it does not mean it is healthy.' Dr Hilda Mulrooney, a nutrition & health expert from London Metropolitan University, said the findings will ‘cause a stir’. She said: ‘It is an area well worth exploring; I don’t agree with the premise that just because something is "plant-based", it is automatically healthy. ‘However, I also don’t think when people think of "plant-based" they think of bread, cereals etc. I imagine they think more of meat, fish and dairy product alternatives.’ She added: ‘Although some may assume the message of this study is that all ultra-processed plant-based foods are bad for health, I think that in fact what the evidence in the study actually shows is that poor diets are associated with increased risk of chronic diseases.’ Dr Mulrooney also believes there are limitations to the study. She said: 'The study remains limited to showing associations and causality cannot be demonstrated. It also relies entirely on the NOVA classification system and a number of concerns about this have been raised – particularly that it assumes that the health implications of a foodstuff are based only on the degree of processing, rather than their nutritional content. 'For example, breakfast cereals are classed as ultra-processed and therefore should be avoided according to the rationale of the authors, but we know from the NDNS in the UK that breakfast cereals are important contributors to intakes of several nutrients.' UPFs are foods that have undergone various modifications to extend their shelf life or make them more appealing to the consumer, or sometimes both. An easy sign a food could be a UPF is if it contains ingredients you wouldn't find in your kitchen cupboard, such as unrecognisable colourings, sweeteners and preservatives. Another clue is the amount of fat, salt and sugar lurking inside each pack, with UPFs typically containing high amounts. ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/vegan-fake-meats-are-linked-to-increase-in-heart-deaths/ar-BB1nYBKR?
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Can you recommend a good carnivore book?
Bob replied to BevG's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
Yes, Paul Saladino's "Carnivore Code" is a great book but very deep, detailed, science-y, with a ton of research and references. I'm currently working through this one. I have Shawn Baker's "The Carnivore Diet" which I have flipped through but haven't read yet - as I only do one at a time. I also read Dr. Ken Berry's "Lies My Doctor Told Me" and "Kick Ass After 50", which aren't carnivore books per se, but he's a carnivore advocate and they made for good reads. His books are written in easy to understand language.- 15 replies
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Doing research on this way of eating!
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Welcome aboard. We're here to help. Nice to know that you have a someone in medicine that is on board with this diet as well. -
Low Energy on Carnivore Diet
Bob replied to John4's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
It's no surprise that you will feel more energetic when you eat carbs before a workout, because the body will prioritize burning those carbs for fuel first to get them out of your body. Likewise, the body will even burn alcohol BEFORE it burns carbs, because it's more imperative to get the alcohol out of the system quickly. But many people who are into working out do eat carbs before a workout. If I were to do that though, I would personally stick to the fruits and avoid the grains. On the other hand, you have carnivores who are ripped like Shawn Baker and Anthony Chaffee who eat nothing but meat and work out all the time, so it can be done. -
Generally speaking, Redmond's Real Salt, Celtic Sea Salt, and Pink Himalayan Salt are all going to be on equal footing. I do want to get some of the Maldon's. It sounds really good.
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Just getting started... a month in
Bob replied to Scott F.'s topic in General Health and Wellness Discussion
For starters, congratulations on your successes so far. Yes, eating out can be a hinderance. We used to eat out ALL the time. But since I've started this WOE we hardly go dine out anymore. Maybe once every week or two. The family has learned which restaurants I don't mind eating at, where I can eat carnivore or at least mostly carnivore/ketovore. I tried to diet for years and it was always difficult when the rest of the family was not on board. Eventually, I just had to commit and resist their peer pressure to take me down, lol. -
That's the gist of it Keep doing what you're doing. And ask away. Welcome aboard!
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What Did You Eat Today?
Bob replied to Geezy's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
I followed the instructions on the package, which was to heat to 400'F degrees and then place in the grill but not over the direct heat. My temps probably were more like 500'F. I would flip it every 7 or 8 minutes, and it probably took 40 minutes to cook to a nice Medium - which is where my wife and I could compromise on, lol. I will say a meat thermometer was pretty crucial in knowing when this would be done or about done.- 1,369 replies
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What Did You Eat Today?
Bob replied to Geezy's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
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(UK) Where do you source your meat?
Bob replied to Nowler's topic in Everyday Chit Chat & Off-topic Discussion
Nice. That works out to $8.84/lb (USD) which is much lower than you will find in your average store or market. He posted this pick of the testes on the grill the other day... -
The Burger King experience is interesting. I haven't had any Burger King since being on my carnivore diet. They claim 100% USDA beef, although I am sure it's "Standard" grade. But in any event, it should be pretty benign, and therefore edible. I know they had some controversies regarding their meat years and years ago. But YES, the Costco beef should be good stuff. I get almost all my meat from Sam's Club, and I believe the fresh meat there is either Prime or Choice (Prime is top tier and will cost more). I usually buy the Choice cuts to save money. They also have prepackaged Wagyu as well as Grass Fed, and I get both of these as well. I don't think you will have a problem with Costco meats, at least in the fresh meat sections. I might be more leary of buying a frozen package of burgers, precooked or not, as those would most likely be Select or Standard grade - not that there's anything wrong with that. In the end, meat is meat. The grading has to do with how much marbling is present along with the age of the cow at the time of processing.
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Nice video. In a nutshell, eat more, and preferentially more fat. This might mean that if you are only eating 2 meals a day because carnivore is so satiating, you might need to make yourself eat 3 meals regardless.
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What Did You Eat Today?
Bob replied to Geezy's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
I'm a big eater It doesn't seem to faze me any. I used to have a couple beers with dinner and a bourbon right before bed to help me go to sleep. When I decided to go carnivore and try to lose weight and address my health, alcohol had to go. But once a month I go to this Open Mic Night hosted by my cousin, so I have a meal and a drink to support the arrangement. Fortunately, the establishment is cool enough to make me a carnivore meal.- 1,369 replies
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One month carnivore
Bob replied to Another Meat Head's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
This is true, and admittedly an area where I struggle. Other carnivores report needing less sleep or having interrupted sleep. I've heard it could be related to my chronic kidney disease also. But I'm basically biphasic. I sleep from 11pm-1am, sometimes 2am, and wake up. Then I fall back asleep at 3am or 4am and get up at 7-8am. I miss the days when I could sleep for 8-10 hours, lol. Sometimes I think I am plateaued on my weight loss due to this sleep issue. This is true as well. I've done a few 24 hour fasts, and one 40 hour fast, but honestly I am just not into fasting. I would rather eat, lol. -
Welcome aboard @Michael123 That's awesome progress. It mirrors my own - 55 pounds in 6 months, if my math is right (1 stone = 14 lbs). I have a bourbon just once a month, sometimes twice if we go out for karaoke
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Does climbing up and down this scaffold all day count? This is a fireplace that I finished today. 12 foot wide, 16 foot ceilings, and the tiles were 24 inches by 60 inches. It sure felt like a workout, lol.
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Welcome aboard @Nowler! Same here. As long as you're eating your meat, we're all on the same team
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One month carnivore
Bob replied to Another Meat Head's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
Was this a previous commitment to the carnivore diet or was it a different diet? This is true. There is no way I could have intermittent fasted on any previous diets that I tried. But filling up on fat and protein with meat can make me feel full for way longer, making it easier to fast if I want. If you are in good physical health, I generally do not see the harm in occasionally having a single ingredient whole food that nature provides, whether that makes you "keto" or "animal-based", provided you remain carnivore-centric. On the other hand, keep your eyes on @Geezy's posts around here. He might just be our most strict carnivore among us and he finds a way to keep shaking things up for variety.
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