Bob

During tonight's Zoom Meeting we were goofing around with Bing AI and Google's new AI called Bard. I asked Bing AI to do the following... "write a story about how the carnivore diet saved the world from chronic illnesses" And to my amusement this was the response... The year is 2030. The world is plagued by chronic illnesses such as diabetes, obesity, autoimmune diseases, and depression. The health care system is overwhelmed and ineffective. People are desperate for a solution. One day, a group of scientists announce a breakthrough discovery: they have found the ultimate diet for human health and longevity. They call it the carnivore diet. It consists of eating only animal foods, such as meat, eggs, organ meats, and dairy. They claim that this diet eliminates plant toxins and antinutrients that cause inflammation and disease. They also claim that this diet improves insulin sensitivity, gut health, heart health, testosterone levels, mental clarity, and weight loss. The news spreads like wildfire. Millions of people around the world decide to try the carnivore diet. They are amazed by the results. They feel more energetic, happier, stronger, and healthier than ever before. They lose excess fat and gain lean muscle mass. They reverse their chronic conditions and reduce their medication needs. They report improved mood, cognition, libido, and sleep quality. The carnivore diet becomes a global phenomenon. It sparks a revolution in the food industry, agriculture, and environmentalism. People demand more ethical and sustainable animal farming practices. They boycott processed foods, grains, sugars, and vegetable oils. They support local farmers and ranchers who produce high-quality animal products. They reduce their carbon footprint and water consumption by eating less plants. The carnivore diet also creates a cultural shift. People become more connected to nature and their ancestral roots. They appreciate the value of animal life and honor their sacrifice. They celebrate their health and vitality with feasts and festivals. They form communities and networks of carnivore dieters who share recipes, tips, and experiences. The carnivore diet saves the world from chronic illnesses and restores human health and happiness. It is hailed as the greatest discovery in the history of nutrition science. It is the ultimate way of eating for humans. It is the carnivore way.

Welcome Robert @carnivore23 to Carnivore Talk. I looked around your site. It's a nice tribute to others in the carnivore community. I particularly like the part of the directory that organizes videos by health issue or subject.

I agree. And humans will stick anything in their mouths, lol. Most plants don't yield fruit until the harvest season. Humans in those areas where they only yield produce in the autumn had a limited time to eat that fruitage, perhaps fattening them up a bit before the winter, but then after that it was back to hunting. This sums up how I view it also. He's making statements that humans should have over 100g of carbs a day, perhaps much more. I personally think that 100g should be the upper limit. Right now, for me, it's as close to zero as possible most of the time. When I have reached my goal weight and believe I have done all I can to try and reverse a few conditions, then I will be more open to a little more fruitage. His position on no roots, no stems, no leaves, does make sense to me as well.

The Wolf Diet. I like that. I'm the same way and call myself "97% carnivore" because I will sometimes end up in situations where my food choices are limited, whether it's at a restaurant or a friend has us over. I will have some side vegetable or small salad so as not to be rude, but then I'm right back to my normal lifestyle choices. I also have 3 apple trees in the back yard. One tastes terrible, one is tasteless, but one is actually quite delicious. So there's 2-3 weeks in August where I can't help myself but to pick one every now and then, but the local deer get most of them

A NY Strip is also known as striploin, club steak, ambassador steak, and Porterhouse, I believe. The Strip's price point is just below Ribeye. And then another step down in price but still delicious is the Sirloin. I do struggle with properly cooking the cheaper cuts though. Around here, steaks go for almost 50% off around certain nationalistic holidays where cooking out is the way people celebrate it. I stock up then, lol.

Here is an interesting comparison of white meat and dark meat. The dark meat has a bit of a nutritional edge over the white meat.

Yes, it's too early for you yet. I've been "fat adapted" for several months now. I've made a personal vow to never eat sugar or grain again. I've got a health issue that is very bad, and I believe this is a pivot point in my life. I can either try to stop it in it's tracks through diet, or I can continue eating like I have most my life and watch it get worse. I'm just hoping I haven't already breached the point of no return. So one bite is all I am willing to give, and even then only once in a blue moon.

Welcome aboard @Lou ! Obviously you would want zero-carb sugar-free sweetener so there is no calories and minimal impact on insulin response. You will get answers in both directions here. A carnivore purist/zealot will be quick to remind you that such drinks aren't carnivore and humans didn't drink such things before the last century, and for a certainty straight up water is probably better for you. Some will also say you will experience better and faster healing if you can cut them out. But this is something you can experiment with on yourself. I have yet to be able to give up certain drinks completely. I still have a cup of tea in the morning with Splenda. I had a huge box of Splenda from Sam's Club and when it is gone, I will switch to Stevia (in light of the recent University of North Carolina study that Splenda may alter your DNA). I still drink some diet soda, and maybe a Propel or sugar free lemonade. But I have been making a conscious effort to cut back on those and drink more water. I'm still down almost 40 lbs and have reversed a few health issues. The weight loss has slowed down considerably though (but not stopped), and I have heard that one of the many things that can cause a weight-loss plateau is artificial sweeteners. I guess many people, as soon as something sweet tasting hits the tongue, has what they call a cephalic phase insulin response, meaning that their pancreas spurts out some insulin into the bloodstream in anticipation of sugars/carbs coming down the pipe. Clearly, one of the reasons why Keto and Carnivore works is because we minimize our carb intake and keep our insulin levels low. Certain artificial sweeteners trigger this response, while others don't. Try challenging yourself to have one cup of regular water for every flavored water you consume. I also find that I prefer water with a ton of ice in it, so that it's crisp and very cold.

Never again for the rest of my life. I will have to take your word for it. Actually, I might entertain a single bite. My daughter made flan at home for the first time the other week. She's like "I know you won't eat one but will you at least have one bit and let me know how you think I did?". So I obliged and she did great. Tasted as good as if not better than the Mexican restaurant we like. But that's all I had. Just one bite, lol.

Welcome John! That sure sounds good. I've never had duck legs before (I have had duck) in the manner that you describe. Are chicken or turkey legs comparable, or is this in a league of its own? :)

Meat-eating extends human life expectancy worldwide Posted on Feb 22 2022 by Michele Ann Nardelli Has eating meat become unfairly demonised as bad for your health? That’s the question a global, multidisciplinary team of researchers has been studying and the results are in - eating meat still offers important benefits for overall human health and life expectancy. Study author, University of Adelaide researcher in biomedicine, Dr Wenpeng You says humans have evolved and thrived over millions of years because of their significant consumption of meat. “We wanted to look more closely at research that has thrown a negative spotlight on meat consumption in the human diet,” Dr You says. “Looking only at correlations of meat consumption with people’s health or life expectancy within a particular group, and or, a particular region or country, can lead to complex and misleading conclusions. “Our team broadly analysed the correlations between meat eating and life expectancy, and child mortality, at global and regional levels, minimising the study bias, and making our conclusion more representative of the general health effects of meat eating.” Published in the International Journal of General Medicine today, the study examined the overall health effects of total meat consumption in 170+ countries around the world. The researchers found that the consumption of energy from carbohydrate crops (grains and tubers) does not lead to greater life expectancy, and that total meat consumption correlates to greater life expectancy, independent of the competing effects of total calories intake, economic affluence, urban advantages, and obesity. “Meat of small and large animals provided optimal nutrition to our ancestors who developed genetic, physiological, and morphological adaptations to eating meat products and we have inherited those adaptations” - Emeritus Professor, Maciej Henneberg “While detrimental effects of meat consumption on human health have been found in some studies in the past, the methods and findings in these studies are controversial and circumstantial,” Dr You says. Senior author of the study, University of Adelaide Emeritus Professor, Maciej Henneberg says humans have adapted to meat-eating from the perspective of their more than two million years evolution. “Meat of small and large animals provided optimal nutrition to our ancestors who developed genetic, physiological, and morphological adaptations to eating meat products and we have inherited those adaptations,” Professor Henneberg says. But with the strong development of nutrition science and economic affluence, studies in some populations in developed countries have associated meat-free (vegetarian and vegan) diets with improved health. “I think we need to understand that this may not contradict the beneficial effect of meat consumption,” nutritionist on the study, Yanfei Ge says. “Studies looking into the diets of wealthy, highly educated communities, are looking at people who have the purchasing power and the knowledge to select plant-based diets that access the full nutrients normally contained in meat. Essentially, they have replaced meat with all the same nutrition meat provides.” Co-author and University of Adelaide biologist, Dr Renata Henneberg says today meat is still a major food component in the diets of many people around the world. “Before agriculture was introduced, 10,000 years ago, meat was a staple food in the human diet,” she says. “Depending on which minor groups of people you study and which meat types you choose to consider, the measure of meat’s role in human health management may vary. However, when all meat types for all the populations are considered, as they are in this study, the positive correlation between meat consumption and overall health at a population level is not sporadic.” Co-author, anthropologist at the University of Adelaide, and biologist at the Polish Academy of Science, Dr Arthur Saniotis says the findings are in line with other studies that show cereal-based foods have lower nutritional value than meat. “While this is no surprise to many of us, it still needs to be pointed out,” Dr Saniotis says. It highlights that meat has its own components contributing to our overall health beyond just the number of calories consumed, and that without meat in our diet, we may not thrive. “Our take home message from the paper is that meat-eating is beneficial to human health provided that it is consumed in moderation and that the meat industry is conducted in an ethical way.” Download the PDF... From the article: "This study has shown that meat intake is positively associated with life expectancy at national level. The underlying reasons may be that meat not only provides energy but also complete nutrients to human body... Meat intake, or its adequate replacement, should be incorporated into nutritional science to improve human life expectancy."

View File Meat Consumption Results in Higher Life Expectancy Meat intake, not carbohydrate crops, is the significant predictor of life expectancy. More details in this topic: Submitter Bob Submitted 09/13/2023 Category Research Studies  

Same here. I've eaten medium rare but I feel funny about it. Maybe it's a mental thing, but I prefer medium for sure. Medium well will start to disappoint. Ugh! I can still eat a well done steak, but I won't be enjoying. I will be eating it because I paid for it and don't want it going to waste, lol. This is also the one situation where I might actually have to call on the power of steak sauce to mask the fact that it was overcooked

Ah, those look interesting. I've never heard of them and here I figure I have eaten just about everything, lol. If course, the breading in a traditional chicken or turkey croquette is a big NO-NO for a keto or carnivore dieter, so I would probably modify the recipe as follows... Mince the meat and shape your croquette. Roll it in almond flour and fully coat it (skip this step if you are Carnivore). Dip it in beaten eggs and immediately cover with crushed pork rinds. Bake at 375-400 degrees for 15-20 minutes. Of course, this is off the top of my head and I will have to test this the next time I have chicken or turkey.

That must be a southern thing because I have never heard of croquettes before. I see that word I think of...

So I am a white meat guy. I usually prefer a chicken breast. I'll default to turkey breast also but will admit that turkey can be much more dry. I've had goose, duck, and pheasant, but that was when i was a child so I don't have much memory of what they tasted like. As far as organ meats, I have had beef liver and turkey hearts. They are both good. I definitely want to try other organ meats as they are usually supercharged with nutrition.

So if you are on true keto, Ketovore, or Carnivore diet, beef is probably your staple food, and steak is probably your preference. There are various degrees of steak doneness. Which one of these is the perfect steak for you?

Here's a very inspirational interview she did with Dr. Ken Berry MD. It's worth watching!