Scott F.

These were so good on Thursday night I did them again on Friday night. Scott

Funny how the brain works. I sleep well and restful but usually up between 3 and 4AM. Curse of life 35-38 years of varying forms of rotating shift work/nightshift. This more what I think than what I know or read. Once you go carnivore, and even with minimal carbs, your fat intake will contribute to blood glucose. The body will 'find' the amount of glucose it needs. One for bodily functions and two for energy if needed. If the fat intake is too low on carnivore and there are now sugars or carbs coming in it will use fat for energy. At some point protein will be used to make glucose (gluconeogenesis). My thinking would be increasing the fat intake on carnivore, ss well as no carbs, (minimal carbs maybe) the body will use fat for energy (ketosis/ketones. etc.) and protein for recovery/rebuilding. If the fat intake goes down and more of the proteins are used to make glucose, I would expect glucose numbers to increase. Carnivore is mostly defined as a meat only diet/way of eating. But what I have found for me meat is down around third or fourth on the level of importance and impact while living a carnivore lifestyle. First, for me, it is more about elimination. Meats and fats can fix a lot of health issues once the carbs and sugars are removed but it can't do much while packing in a bunch of carbs and sugars. For me, fat is the second most important part of the equation. I have used fat as a lever to adjust energy, stools, glucose and ketone levels. I think I can miss on protein and not have the same-day/next-day consequences I do when I miss on fat. Then meat comes strong at number three. I think instead of saying, "I am living a carnivore lifestyle. I only eat meat, salt and water. I should be saying I eat fat, meat, salt and water'. Just my way of thinking. I could be way off the mark. Scott

I have watched a bunch of his videos. There is much debate about the amount of protein needed for muscle hypertrophy. On average the numbers tend to land on 1 gram of protein per pound of ideal body weight. Some say it is actually lower, down around .7 or so per pound. There are others that say it can be as much as 2 grams per pound. I'm around 215 and I am guessing my ideal weight is down around 190-200 (I change my mind almost daily). I struggle to eat that much protein everyday. On the days I do get to the 180-200g of protein my glucose gets over 100, usually in the low to mid 100's. I don't think I tracked enough to see at what point the glucose started to rise in relation to protein intake. Scott

My numbers are similar in movements. I don't have any medical issues with glucose/Type I or II or even pre-diabetes. I never had a reading above 100 until I started carnivore. Probably a little low sometimes early in the morning, I did the same buying a glucose meter for personal data points. I think everyone can experience the dawn effect where morning glucose 'spikes' up and then falls as the day moves along. I kept check on mine during a 96 hour fast and averaged upper 70's low 80's across most of the fast. My morning numbers were in the high 80's to the low-mid 90's. This morning I was at 98. As of late I am in the upper 90's and see some low 100's here and there. I'm going to call my rises and higher numbers as a result of gluconeogenesis. I'm strict carnivore, meat, salt and water, without any cheat days which has driven my daily average down some but sometimes the spikes take me up a few notches. As of late I am eating a ton more than I should or actually want. I am trying to hit a protein target for ideal body weight and it takes a lot of food to hit that number. I simply don't want that much. I'm eating to build muscle. On the days I get really close to the desired target for protein there is some correlation to my blood glucose inching up and past 100. It ramps a little after working out but I work out early in the morning, coupled with the dawn effect and my numbers jump a bit. I don't consider my numbers all that alarming but I do keep track. Scott

Hamburger patties covered with cheese, then bacon and then a fried egg. All fried in bacon grease. Simple but really good. Scott

Just bits and pieces here and there. Still kicking tho. Scott

@geezy. Spot on. Although I have not the year mark yet I have varied the approach a couple different times. My best results came after i read some things and learned some things. I started off strictly as a weight loss DIET. I had no idea there would be any other benefits than weight loss. I started off and I just ate fatty meats. I didn't know about salt and minerals. For me, it was meats and water. I had some energy issues and some stool issues and after reading a few things I adjusted and increased my fat content and added salt. From there, the weight started to drop and within 4-6 weeks I was off medicine I had been on since 2018. By then it was basically one meal a day. One meal a day, eating when I was hungry til I was full, lost the most weight. I like milk and I drink a glass or so once a week or maybe twice a week. For me, if the weight is falling I can get into an almost immediate stall with a glass, maybe two. For the last month or so, maybe 2, I have been trying to eat enough protein for 1 gram of protein per pound of ideal body weight. I'm around 216 this week (between 216 and 222 for over a month). At 216 I am guessing my ideal weight is between 190-200 but eating that many grams of protein is hard, at least for me it is hard. This is the only time I have counted anything. Like Geezy said, and I agree, I don't see the point in counting when eating when hungry/eating til full. For no better way to explain it, the math is built in. Scott

First, welcome to the group. Your results will be mostly individual. Your results may not be my results even though we do pretty much the same thing. I really like this board because I read others actual experience and learn from people that have walked the walk. I think the weight will continue to fall. Sometimes faster, sometimes slower. And yes it will "stall" here and there. Going by pictures (nothing personal) I was much larger than you at 306 @6'3". This morning I am 216 in just under 11 months. I have the love handles and some belly. Our love handles are similar and my belly might be slightly smaller (thirty-five years since I said anything close to that) Although I weigh almost daily, it is better if one does not. Cinching your belt or feeling the difference in your clothing is more revealing (and mor valuable). Sometimes you will cinch your belt a notch, yet the scale will not move at all. The scale can sometimes let you down even though you made a positive stride. I have been around 85-90lbs for well over a month. With that said, I switched up the amounts I am eating. I am trying to hit a protein target of 1gram per pound of body weight. I am guessing that is somewhere around 200 and it has been a struggle to eat that much per day. After a few weeks of Carnivore I gradually fell into eating just once per day. I went by the rule of thumb, " I eat when I am hungry and I eat til I am full". Then repeat. The weight fell off tremendously during that time. I never measured anything or kept up with calories or grams or macros or fats. I probably ate more fat than most do but i did that before carnivore as well. It simply tastes good. Again, welcome. This is a great place to bounce your ideas off the group as well as share your experiences as well. Even at the first month or so your expereinces will offer insight to someone. Scott

Welcome to the group and welcome to the way of eating. I will defer to Geezy on your question. No experience. Again, welcome to the group and I think you will find many more benefits than expected. Scott

That is incredible news. Congratulations. I go back in mid April and again mid-May for bloodwork for my AQ-4 and immunoglobulin numbers. Prior to carnivore I was way low on one and way high on another. In the last 9 months they have both eased back toward the norm. I'm hoping in the next couple months I am in the 'green". LOL Again, great to hear your success. "getting off medicine" or "not having to be on medicine" is absolutely priceless. Scott

I wish I could go in and delete the above post. I'm not sure how it reads to others but it sure sounds like an 'addict' when I read it again this morning. "It felt really good, and I am looking to get there again before I find out if it is healthy to go that route multiple times. Just get me back to that feeling". Doing the reading and the listening and trying to figure out what's the best route forward. It felt great but no need to hurt myself or my progress chasing something that can be spaced out. Scott

Two eggs laid yesterday, 2 from this morning and 1/2 of last night's ribeye. Maybe not the breakfast of champions to the masses, but I think "we" have some inside information. Scott

Long thread that sort of got away from "carnivore"....my apologies. It is Tuesday evening and the 12 hour shift is winding down. Yesterday I was in the gym early, got more than an hour in and then did the 12 hour dayshift. The energy level is still high. I think I am sold on the combination of carnivore and fasting. I'm thinking a monthly 96 hour fast for the next couple months. The energy level on the two 72 fasts lasted four or five days. From 72 to 96 felt amazing and I am not sure if that means a quicker fall or being sustained another day or so. Now I am reading on the effects of multiple fasts during the month. Maybe fast for 96, wait for the energy level to feel 'normal' and then start another fast. Then I wonder is that too much. Still trying to figure some things out. I have blood work coming up next month and again in May. I will more than likely not double them up til after May. Pleasantly surprised. Scott

Got a good workout in this morning before work. Maybe a tad over an hour. Backs and biceps this morning. I have had a scratchy throat today and maybe some congestion starting. If I feel up to it when I wake up in the morning it is cheat and triceps before taking Wednesday off. Scott

The mask is there to protect other people from you, not the other way around. There is basically no filtration from the outside in and only from the inside out. The biggest reason it works is that your breath is moist and wet. When you exhale the moisture binds to the fibers of the mask, your moisture provides the primary membrane for filtration as it builds. The mask does not provide much but the membrane you create stops you from spreading yourself to others. The mask is not the filter, you creating a primary membrane creates filtration. Scott

My wife is not the biggest fan of the fasting. If I didn't have the NMO/SD she may not be as weary of the fasting. We both know how bad it was way back when and the last six years we were both happy with 'status quo', maintaining and not triggering another set back. Going carnivore was easy for me but she seen it as going out on a limb. The carnivore grew on her enough she has tried it off and on but she seems steadfast against the fasting....for me or her. LOL I'm right at the point I will say I am a believer. If I have the energy all next week like I did on the last two most anyone will be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. Scott

Not sure about that, but thank you. I learned a the last few weeks reading/watching videos and then a ton more actually doing the fast. Maybe the biggest lesson was somewhat of a negative as I ate too much to break the fast. I got real loose later that afternoon and it has lasted into this morning. Lesson learned. I didn't lose much weight during the first two but this one was 7 during and close to 2 more by the day after. Last time the weight dropped a tad but it triggered a fall during the next week. The next few days will teach more about that part of the after-fasting. I was shocked at how much energy I had and how good I felt between 72 and 96 hours. I doubt anyone could have convinced me of that prior to as I would imagine it would be depleted and weak waiting for nourishment. Polar opposites. That was one of the videos I watched this past week. I wound up watching several he made. Great content. Scott

This fast is over and I can't believe how good I felt at the end. I read 'euphoric' is the word and maybe that is close but I just felt good, maybe even rejuvenated. I did eat a little too much coming out of the fast and my stools were a little loose yesterday afternoon. Lesson learned. Followed that up with one of the best beef tenderloins I have ever had. My son knocked it out of the park for my wife's birthday. The funniest part was the ketone meter came in just after the second meal from fasting. I don't do a lot of recommending and advising as I am a novice to most everything discussed in this forum, but the fasting is working wonders for me. Both 72's helped me thru the next week more than anything I would have imagined. I didn't sleep as many hours as I normally do but the sleep was deep/restful, and I woke up well rested and as if I had slept many more hours. I read where sleep could be restless and even some report insomnia while fasting, but it was sort of the opposite for me. Maybe working nights factors in, just not sure. Again, I'm not the preacher nor the teacher as I have much to learn, but the fasting has quickly become one of the most amazing things I have ever experienced. Scott

7lbs this time. 222 on Tuesday morning and 215 this morning. This fast was 3-4lbs more than the last two. I am not sure the difference between this one and the last two. Scott

I am getting ready to break the fast at 96 hours. I can't really explain how good I feel right now. I have energy to spare and feel like I could easily have stretched it out another day. I have read so much the last few weeks as well as the last few days about fasting. I'm not all that smart but I can throw some scientific/medical terms around now, not having a complete understanding, but I think I am in the ballpark. Between 72 hours and 96 hours I had some autophagy going on, the ketosis was sending ketones at what feels like a hectic pace, the Human Growth Harmones are swimming around and even the stem cells are finding things to fix. Around 72 hours it was almost like my body grabbed another gear. It has been an amazing experience. I had a good workout Tuesday morning, ate just before lunch and then pulled the 12 hour night shift. The next two mornings I had really good workouts after two fairly hectic nightshifts. Last night was OT and it was a semi-rough shift. This morning I went to the gym and had a really intense workout, going to failure on most every set. I came home and walked just shy of three miles with 45 pushups along the way. Nothing to eat since Tuesday and I feel great right now. If it were not for plans with my wife I would ride this train another 24 hours or at least to something said 'this is enough'. If anyone had ever told me that after not eating for 96 hours, first I would say there is no way I could go 96 hours without eating and then I would say there is no way I would feel good after that, before they could finish I would say you must have fallen and bumped your head. My wife said I almost sound giddy talking about it. Maybe, maybe not but I am pleasantly surprised at how I feel this morning. Prepping my body with carnivore the last ten months or so, followed by a couple 72 hour fasts, and now this 96 hour endeavor is amazing. I'm looking forward to this week to see how the energy level lasts. Scott

No truer words have been spoken. Scott

Most of them do. I use the plain. I am sure the flavored ones will taste like straight sugar. I don't use them often just when I feel like I am going to fall way short of my protein target. I hadn't thought about making my own and going that route sounds more appealing. Thanks for sharing. Scott

I just bought it on Ebay for $5. Cheap enough. Scott

I use a protein powder when I do use the protein drinks. Ingredients are key as some are loaded with carbs and sugars. I don't really count calories but if protein is XX amount per gram and you get 30 grams per serving the total calories on the ingredients should be really close to that number for protein. I use Bulk Supplement non-flavored protein powder. It is 30 grams per serving which works out to about 120 calories, but the total is 130 per serving. 10 extra calories from fillers and I am sure the stuff that makes it not taste like crap. Some of the powders will be 120 calories from protein but be 150-175 total. That is where they can sneak the carbs and sugars in on us. And since most of us believe carbs and sugars are an addiction, having them slipped in on us is not a good thing. I have never made one from scratch, but it actually sounds good. I'm deep into this fast, and although I am not hungry, a homemade shake sounds good and is probably a good way to break the fast. Between Google and Youtube I am sure there are some solid ideas. Thanks for prompting my brain. Scott

My NMO/SD and MS are basically the same with the biggest difference being Neuromyelitis Optica Spectrum Disorder attacks the eyes and the optic nerve. It derives from an extremely overly active immune system. I was on pain and inflammation medicine from 2018 til 2024, six/seven weeks into Carnivore. Just six or seven weeks and although the foods were carnivore strict, I was still using drink mixers to get in the water, I no longer needed the medicine. As far as the auto-immune disease NMO/SD I have been pain and inflammation free for the last ten months or so. My immunoglobulin numbers, some were way low and other were way high, the low meaning my immune system was just not doing anything and the high meaning it was attacking both good and bad tissue, have inched back toward the 'green' or normal. I have blood tests coming in May and if the trend continues, I may be in the green and normal again. Some put it off on it is the weight that is lost and that there are better ways to lose weight. That may be true, but for me, I lost a bunch of weight on a couple different occasions and the pain and inflammation continued to persist. Six/seven weeks of Carnivore and it disappeared/stopped/no longer an issue. Carnivore has been life changing for me. I doubt I ever eat any other way. I am worried if I go to another way of eating and flare up, maybe Carnivore will not be as effective the next time. I don't feel comfortable with that type of gamble. I know as soon as we tell people who we eat everyone becomes a doctor/medical nutritional exert. I don't know enough to recommend Carnivore to people with other medical issues and I probably have passed the point of telling people about it for weight loss. For NMO/SD and MS I know what it is like to be on the downside of those two and it is not pretty. Really rough. Not to be funny but I have ended up pain free because I threw the bun, mustard, mayo and ketchup off my hamburger and just ate the hambuger. So true, but so hard to sell. Scott