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By Bob · 2 hours ago2 hr
Is meat satiating or is sugar/carbs more of a trigger?

Yep and yep and yep.
Thanks.,
Scott

By Scott F. · 4 hours ago4 hr
Is meat satiating or is sugar/carbs more of a trigger?

The goals have changed/the goal posts have moved for me. In May of '24 the goal was strictly to lose weight. I started carnivore with the idea it was nothing more than a weight loss hack. I didn't have any health benefits in mind, and if there were, it would be related to the weight loss. This goal was accomplished. Early on I lost 30-31lbs in the first 31-32 days. I hit 95lbs after just over a year.
In 2018 when I was diagnosed with NMO/SD the doctor suggested weights and resistance training as it will debilitate over time. Like most of us, I ignored his advice. As the weight peeled off, I started walking, then pushups along the way, and after a couple months I joined the gym. I made some progress the first three or four months. The goal was never to build muscle for aesthetics, or big biceps or big legs. It was to build muscle to fight back from debilitation and sarcopenia.
Agreed with the food amounts and the concepts. Before carnivore if I were working out like this total protein would be easy. (heck total anything was not an issue as I could eat meals by the five-gallon bucket) Since carnivore I can no longer eat large amounts of food. If I eat a 14-16oz ribeye I'm full til the next day. In order to eat to a protein level, I would have to gorge myself. I tried protein powders to hit a protein target of .7-1grams of protein per pound of lean body mass. I was around 215 with some visceral fat to go so I figured around 190 or so. I can't eat 200 grams of protein in a day. Just not hungry.
I ran out of my protein powder and substituted with a store bought 50gram of protein drink by Shamrock Farms. It has 11-12 grams of sugar. I drank half and within an hour I was hungry. I drank some water, walked around the plant, all the things I would do to check to see if it is actually hunger and I was truly hungry. I used the newfound appetite to eat another steak/burger, etc. etc. When I used the second half of the bottle it had the same effect.
What I did notice is in a month or so using the sugar to boost hunger the progress in the gym made a shift upward. The sets and reps the week before took me just short of failure were not getting me anywhere close that following week. Since I was eating more (maybe closer to being properly fueled for lifting/gaining muscle) I made gym progress. All the push exercises went up in weight. I was down on the little end of the barbells and now I am just past the middle toward the heavier ones. I'm pulling just about the whole stack with reverse grip pull downs.
Actual weight loss is no longer a real concern. It moves up and down. The mentioning of 12lbs in a month and half/now closer to 2 months was a result of eating more than I had been eating before I reintroduced sugar. Maybe they were coming along, and I didn't notice but I can now see the weightlifting in my biceps and triceps and chest. I didn't realize there were actually muscles under that 306lbs I was carrying.
The point of this particular post was to show how powerful sugar can be to some, especially early on in carnivore. Big Food and Big Pharma truly understand its power and it is used as one of the most powerful "drugs" in the world. For me, six grams at a time over-powers the satiety of fats and proteins as well as allows the brain to trick the body into hunger.
As far as fasting. Zero weight loss considered while fasting. I believe fasting played a huge role in my autoimmune issues. My numbers have come from off the overactive end of the chart on one test and off the other end of the chart in another test. What should be active part of my immune system was doing nothing (less than nothing) and the part that should be assisting was attacking proteins (myelin) like a sociopath.
In only 14 months I have tried several different approaches to health via carnivore. I have yet to dial in exactly where I need to be. Mid-month I go for MRI's and bloodwork. My last bloodwork suggests I no longer have an auto-immune disease. The next test could remove me from my six-hour infusions every six months.
Yes, the 12lbs was some muscle but mostly fat and water. Yes, my approach has not been dialed in, per se, to proven methods for weight loss or muscle gain over long periods of time. I'm still working on the combination that fits me and benefits me and sometimes tailoring to the individual goes against the grain/gets outside of the norm.
And yes, your observations were spot on. It does look like a yo-yo approach within the confines of carnivore-fasting-muscle building.
As weird as it sounds, I feel like it is coming together. LOL
Scott

By Scott F. · 4 hours ago4 hr
Is meat satiating or is sugar/carbs more of a trigger?

Two things stick out to me after rereading. Randle cycle and cephalic phase insulin response. Eating sugar combined with fat is going to cause ugly weight gain. Cpir is going to do what @Geezy described and cause hunger.
With that said, it sounds like you are making gains in the gym and progressing toward your health goals.

By Miranda · 5 hours ago5 hr
Is meat satiating or is sugar/carbs more of a trigger?

We know where the 12 lbs came from, it ain't muscle. reading your post one would have no idea what your goal/goals are. What is your goal?? You're not gonna build any muscle fasting and under eating. And your not gonna loose much weight lifting. Sounds like you're fasting one minute trying to build muscle the next. and gaining 12 pounds of fat in doing so. Max German (spelling?) on youtube details a proper carnivore way to get to a goal whatever that may be. keep working at it, I applaud your diligence.

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