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Found the link. It didn't come up in search, I think it may have been unlisted. It's in one of her playlists.

Kelly Hogan lost a lot of weight as well but she didn't have loose skin. I wonder what the difference was. There's a video on her channel with the title that says something like "10 year carnivores discuss an all meat diet" or something along those lines. In it, Charles Washington says that people who lose weight on carnivore don't need to fast and go through autophagy to lose the loose skin. He bases it on the hundreds of people that they had on their original forum before this way of eating became known or popular. I really wonder about his loose skin.

I've made a breakthrough!!! 🥳🥳🥳 I've found out that if I don't grind the meat and chop it into tiny pieces fried in tallow instead and then eat several very small portions of beef throughout the day, I don't get the nausea that has been putting me off meat! My stomach can't handle big portions it seems but small ones do the trick. I'm less light headed now. And it's really yummy. I don't make it like steak because this cut gets very tough and my attemps at medium rare fail. But this way I fry it for less than a minute and it doesn't take my teeth out.

@Bob I didn't think the cravings for carbs after exercise were because I wasn't fat adapted anymore!!! I just assumed since I'd done it before my body would switch back easier and faster but this explains so much. So I just have to wait it out! Thanks again! It must also explain my very poor performance yesterday at the gym. I almost fainted, I had to sit down for half the session and I got very light headed. Good to know that once fat adapted you won't always be fat adapted and will have to wait for months again. Oh and I also came here to tell you that I found a little checklist from my 2 years carnivore where I'd checked off the days. I keep it with me now and I'm trying to copy it, day by day. It really works great for motivation. My brain fog is very slowly lifting as well. I'm still very forgetful. You know the last time I did this, for the 2 years, I taught my self math all the way to college level calculus. This was significant because I had always failed math in high school. I couldn't understand it at all but on carnivore I could. It was unbelievable. I can't do it now, my mind goes blank again. What I miss the most is how clear my mind was. I feel like I've dropped 50 IQ points since then. Thank you so much for helping 🙏🌸🌼

I a cup of coffee with butter. I didn't take a picture but I ate a few pieces of chicken and 3 eggs, sunny side up. I also had yogurt. I will now force myself to eat some ground beef with butter, but no more than 1 or 2 small patties. I'll add some pepper as well. I figured instead of fasting to fight the meat aversion, I'll just ignore it, push through and hope for the best.

I do have the same problem as you with not wanting to eat meat anymore, which causes carb cravings. I now put tiny little chunks of butter in the freezer and eat one with salt when the cravings hit. (Excess butter does cause weight gain though). I just discovered last week that when I crave fruit it's because I'm thirsty. I drink some water and it goes away (most of the time). Fasting helps too if it doesn't make you crave carbs. Exercise helps too by making you hungry without you having to fast. One month is too soon for cravings to go away. For me the firtst time I did this, it took about 6 months and even then I still had carbmares (nightmares about eating carbs, lol). Here's a great article on recognizing hunger on carnivore: https://www.zerocarbhealth.com/recognizing-hunger-on-a-zero-carb-carnivore-diet/ About the ketones: I did a strict lion diet for 2 years. In year two, I went for a general check-up with a blood test and urine test and all that, and my ketones were non existent. I heard a veteran carnivore (not sure who) say it's possible that the ketones don't show up anymore because your body becomes very efficient at using ketones and not much of it is actually dispensed as waste through your urine for tests to show. That made sense to me at the time because, in addition to being a very strict carnivore, I had fasted for 24 hours for that test so not having any ketones would have meant that I had absolutely no metabolism going on (only happens in dead people) given that I must have had very little glycogen stored and had to have been burning some fat from somewhere and therefore I would have had ketones in my body even though they didnt show on the test. I wouldn't be concerned about ketones. I don't think they matter on carnivore (they do matter on keto though, because you do eat carbs on that). This is an excerpt from the "Zero Carb Health" blog by a friend of Kelly Hogan's and Charles Washington, who have been doing this for decades: "Our meat eating ancestors did not have high ketones or low blood sugar, yet they were healthy and fit. If you are not eating carbohydrates you are on a ketogenic diet. Just because your ketone levels might be very low does not mean you are not in ketosis. The current trend of trying to reach high ketones and get your blood sugar low is likely sabotaging your health, not helping it. By purposely trying to achieve something your body is uncomfortable with you are working against homeostasis. The body likes homeostasis. (Homeostasis, from the Greek words for “same” and “steady,” refers to any process that living things use to actively maintain fairly stable conditions necessary for survival.) It is IMPOSSIBLE to naturally maintain high ketone numbers, especially if you are on a zero carb diet, where you don’t have carbohydrates as a macro to manipulate. You have to constantly manipulate fat/protein macros, feeding times and calories to get high ketone readings. The body does not want to be producing lots of ketones so it will adapt to your tweaks so it’s not over producing which will bring the numbers down. How can this be healthy if the body is constantly fighting to bring ketones down? There is zero science or history on humans maintaining high ketone levels in the long term." https://www.zerocarbhealth.com/manipulating-ketones-and-glucose-on-the-zero-carb-carnivore-diet/ Sorry this is so long. I hope it helps a little bit.

Hi Bob! I hope you're well 🌸 Thanks for checking on me. I took your advice. I started by replacing the junk with fruit and veg. Then I replaced the fruit with veg. Then I ate the veggies every other day and that's where I was until 2 days ago. I'm trying now to replace the veggies with dairy. I go rock climbing 3 times a week. One problem I had was that for some reason exercise made me crave junk. Now I'm thinking I'll just drink a glass of milk before every session (I checked the carbs and I'll be well within ketovore with 4 oz). That way I can stick to carnivore. I still mentally allow myself to have a carrot or some cucumber if my hormones attack and make crave sweets but I will allow that mentally and try not to actually do it. I find that "forbidding" myself triggers a binge. Oh speaking of binges, I'm trying to fix the binging mindset by having proper sit down meals and no snacking. So I have a lunch time and a dinner time. I figured doing that would train my body to know when food is coming and so it won't go on impulse in a ravenous way, if that makes sense. Thank you so so much for giving me the idea of the whole foods approach because it separated the whole foods from junk. Before I didn't differentiate between the two because I bought into Dr. Chaffee's "plants are trying to kill you" mindset (I still think he's awesome though) and so in my mind whole foods became synonymous with junk and then if I ate an apple I'd think I've already had junk so in for a penny in for a pound, I might as well have a whole bucket of ice cream. But now I think eating a piece of fruit is not me "falling off the wagon" which took the guilt away and has made it so much easier. Thank you so much. I will come back with more updates. Sending you virtual bacon and a steak 🥩 🥓 🥓

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I really appreciate the help! I did manage to eat some chicken after doing a 30 hour fast which wasn't on purpose, but the prospect of chicken wasn't inviting. It was fine, no nausea like with red meat. It was a small amount, just a few wings (fried in butter), but it's better than the junk I've been eating. I'll just do that again tomorrow. I did see a thread here where everyone recorded what they ate? I think that's a great idea, to write things down. And I will also journal this time to figure this out in case it happens again in the future. @Skeptic I do really like the idea of giving it time. I'm so tired of deciding to go back to carnivore overnight and then failing in a few days. I mean, when I keep doing that it makes a bad record and at some point it only makes sense to give up since failing seems like the only outcome. But it didn't occur to me at all that I could take my time, no pressure (THE PRESSURE!!), just add a bit more meat and other animal products everyday until it becomes the majority of what I eat and I just stop eating other whole foods altogether. It's a very sensible approach. Thank you so much! 🙏 🌸🌸 @Geezy Thank you so much! Virtual bacon: 🥓 🥓 🥓 @Miranda I haven't tried the gelatin, but I can try it. I haven't seen anyone for the binging and purging. I don't see how they can help me. I suppose, to them, using carnivore to recover would just be another extreme diet. I also don't really like non carnivore doctors and I don't know any carnivore ones. My doctor is the one who assured me that the pill was one hundred percent safe. He actually said that to me! He didn't tell me that I'd lose my hair, my mental stability, my hormonal balance, my figure, etc. Honestly the only time I'll go near a doctor now is if I break an arm or something. I'd rather hug an angry grizzly. Thank you so much for the suggestions, for your support, and for taking the time! 🌸🌸🙏 @Scott F. What happened to your friend sounds terrifying! So glad he's ok now. If he can go through all of that then surely I can do this which is a much smaller problem compared to what he experienced! I just get nausea. It does put things in perspective. Thank you for sharing that and for your support 🌸 🌸 🙏 @ketomonster I do like cheese. I'll add some to a little bit of beef tomorrow and see what happens. Thank you for the suggestion 🌸🌸🙏

Thank you @Geezy and @Bob. I think I'll start with keto like you said and give it another try. I can add some veg and definitely some seasoning. I know this will sound incredibly silly and we're all online strangers and all, but it does feel great to have permission to start with a whole foods approach and not be shamed for not being carnivore anymore as can happen with more strict communities and being told to just eat meat. I hope this works. Thanks again 🙏

Hi everyone I'm new here so my apologies in case I'm not doing this right. This is going to be a long one. I have a problem, a crisis actually, and I was hoping I could get some help here. So about 3 years ago I went off birth control pills (I was on them for 6 years) which destroyed my hormones. I started getting cystic acne like I'd never experienced before. The scars are still there and they're so bad that I've been getting laser treatment. It was horrific. I started missing my cycles. Extreme mood swings and uncontrollable weight gain. My hair fell out in clumps (still haven't recovered after 3 years). I looked for a solution. I already knew about Dr. Lustig's work on sugar but even cutting out sugar didn't help much. That's when I stumbled on Dr. Ken Berry's content. He talked about keto so that's what I tried and the results were ok but not enough to fix me. He also talked about carnivore so I tried it. It worked like magic. 3 months in and my acne was reduced and my weight started going down. I was on the lion diet for 2 years. Everything but my hair fall was fixed. Then something happened in my life that threw me off balance a bit and I had one bite of cake. One small bite and then all hell broke loose on me. In a matter of weeks I developed bulimia. Binging and purging. And one year later, right now, I've been trying to get back on carnivore without success. The binge continues but I had to stop the purge due to recurring blood in my vomit (pardon the graphic description), and fasting and exercise just make me binge even worse. I didn't have this problem before. I have severe meat aversion. I can't stand it even though before, it used to be my favorite food in the world. I've tried fasting, going cold turkey, keto to ketovore to carnivore, all without success. I'm at the end of my rope. I've put on 20 kg and my acne is coming back. Does anyone have a similar experience? Meat aversion is my main problem. I just can't stand red meat anymore or eggs or anything. I just want to get back on carnivore but I don't understand why I cannot. My apologies for the super long post and thank you for reading.