Nick Heaz

Can you tolerate fiber and/or would you be willing to include psyllium husk, citrus fruits, or melons into your diet?
You could also consider supplementing with citrus bergamot or drinking a couple cups of Earl Grey tea with real citrus bergamot oil in it. Nattokinase, while doesn’t directly lower cholesterol, is known to decrease arteriole plaque and thin the blood.

Fasted insulin and/or c-peptide, Lp(a), apo(b), hsCRP and ESR, as well as homocysteine could all be ordered to better asses your current cardiovascular health and risk of reinfarction.
In 3 months time once you’ve been able to recover you should absolutely run a full comprehensive panel and then again in 6 months. Your risk of another heart attack is now significantly higher. Be smart with monitoring your labs and continue to be open to making changes to your health and lifestyle.

My bad. I’m going to simmer down. @Meathead on me. Apologies

Fasted insulin and/or c-peptide, Lp(a), apo(b), hsCRP and ESR, as well as homocysteine could all be ordered to better asses your current cardiovascular health and risk of reinfarction.
In 3 months time once you’ve been able to recover you should absolutely run a full comprehensive panel and then again in 6 months. Your risk of another heart attack is now significantly higher. Be smart with monitoring your labs and continue to be open to making changes to your health and lifestyle.

My bad. I’m going to simmer down. @Meathead on me. Apologies

My bad. I’m going to simmer down. @Meathead on me. Apologies

My bad. I’m going to simmer down. @Meathead on me. Apologies

We're all on our own journey 👍

5 weeks not long enough
Can harm liver in high doses
More than 5 weeks can cause metabolic derangement
Extremely high risk
Nick has an open mind but but won't try the sugar fast/diet (I wonder why) and won't gamble his liver on this.🤪

Nick usually keeps an open mind and will try for himself to do a study while giving results after his N=1.
So I have to trust Nick's intuition if he won't try it I would trust his methodology as to WHY he won't over
some mouth breather on the tube. 😬

Yes! This made me laugh, ty. I think I have been in your shoes. I've been overweight for 3 years, felt my health and energy plummet, my joints have ached when I never injured myself, and witnessed my body turn into a jiggly blob. I did periods of a ketogenic diet going back over 2 years and experienced good things so I decided to go deeper. Ten months ago I adhered to Ken Berry's BBBE diet and followed it for 9 months. Things were great 5-6 months. Steady weight loss, improved energy & mental focus, and less pain. I was super happy. Then all the positives just seemed to stop. Weight loss plateaued and energy tanked. At month 8 the rash along my sides and armpits happened. I sought advice and gave it another couple week, but nothing changed. I could hardly sleep the itch was so bad. After trying to get through the rash for 4 weeks I gave up and ate carbs and the rash disappeared.

Scott - I appreciate you and your approach. This is really great advice.
The semantics of it all is a big problem. We can agree on that! Let me break it down:
Sugar Fasting--think 'water fasting.' Water fasts are a fast from all macro groups but still includes water. Sugar fasts exclude fat and protein but includes sugar (i prefer fruit, fruit juice, maple syrup and honey). This can be a 24 hour sugar fast or be run consecutively for days on end. The more obese someone is the longer than can theoretically get away with sugar fasting. Rapid weight loss with sugar fasting.
Sugar diet--think temporal eating... fruit, fruit juice, maple syrup, and honey morning through lunch followed by protein in the evening. This strategy would used by someone who is coming off of sugar fasting as they begin to approach their weight loss goal. Or as a way to maintain a desired body weight. Less rapid / slowed weight loss OR maintenance.
The end goal is to find balance. Like all dietary strategies, some people with find success with it and others will struggle. Again, I don't think that it's for everyone. And for those on carnivore who are curing autoimmune disease, have food intolerance issues, or struggle with sugar addictions this approach just doesn't suit these types of people.

Really appreciate your responses.

Scott - I appreciate you and your approach. This is really great advice.
The semantics of it all is a big problem. We can agree on that! Let me break it down:
Sugar Fasting--think 'water fasting.' Water fasts are a fast from all macro groups but still includes water. Sugar fasts exclude fat and protein but includes sugar (i prefer fruit, fruit juice, maple syrup and honey). This can be a 24 hour sugar fast or be run consecutively for days on end. The more obese someone is the longer than can theoretically get away with sugar fasting. Rapid weight loss with sugar fasting.
Sugar diet--think temporal eating... fruit, fruit juice, maple syrup, and honey morning through lunch followed by protein in the evening. This strategy would used by someone who is coming off of sugar fasting as they begin to approach their weight loss goal. Or as a way to maintain a desired body weight. Less rapid / slowed weight loss OR maintenance.
The end goal is to find balance. Like all dietary strategies, some people with find success with it and others will struggle. Again, I don't think that it's for everyone. And for those on carnivore who are curing autoimmune disease, have food intolerance issues, or struggle with sugar addictions this approach just doesn't suit these types of people.

Regardless of which regimen you decide on the lifestyle you mention above has been proven to make humans ill because we're not
adapted to consuming seed oils for long time.
UPF are made up of those said seed oils, but there are some that are made with ANIMAL fats then you have that fake color, flavor and sugar
added which defeats the "it's using HEALTHY fats" argument (moot point)
I'm smoking nicotine free cigs SMH <<< see how dumb that sounds?
We're open to fresh ideas, possiblilities of different foods helping our health but WHOLE FOODS
are the ONLY proven sustainable regimen humans can use for a healthy lifestyle.

Jack LaLanne was before his time. He went down a different path....
He ate vegetables, juiced (fruits/veg), and even ate fish but didnt eat other meats.
What works for him may or may not work for alot of people.

Really appreciate your responses.

Glycation damage is permanent, remember this. Every time your blood sugar hits over a 100, you're redlining. That is my concern.
At least you're aware of the hormonal reaction of sugar, and the loss of muscle when on low protein. Yet another concern for me.


Yup, at the end of the day we each have our own journey.

Maybe the difference is a person's end goal, maybe make a mission statement to kick the diet off to which ever path the person chooses.
"I want to step on the scale and see a lesser number over the next 90-120 days". "My goal is to lose X amount of pounds"
With these two statements probably 99% of all diets are effective. These statements will lead to the 'calories and calories out' conversation and before the definition of calories pops up, we can change it to 'total mass in and total mass out'. This approach makes all diets really close to 100% effective.
Next mission statement would be, "I would like to lose X number of pounds and improve my metabolic health at the same time". This wipes out a really large chunk of most diets. They are effective but the metabolic health, which is probably not up to snuff in the first place, will take a further hit as the weight goal is approached or attained'.
I can see this approach for someone really big who needs to drop X number of pounds to be able to go under a knee or hip replacement, or similar surgeries. Getting the weight down can be by any means necessary. The plan would be weight comes down, surgery takes place, mobility is returned and then a better meal plan can be coupled with mobility for a healthier life. I can see this being an option for a lot of people.
Then maybe the last mission statement would be "I want to improve my metabolic health, and in time drop some weight, and at the same time develop a sustainable long-term way of eating". This narrows the field. And if I added "without the required need of daily supplementation" we get down to the animal-based versions of carnivore and a minimal number of the keto versions with a carb/sugar level fairly low.
Over the past three to four months, I have both gained and lost weight on a strict carnivore diet purely based on the mass I am eating, the timing in which I eat even coupled with several 96-hour water fasts. Last week I laid off the eating to hit the protein target, pretty much ate when I was hungry (which turned into OMD, if that) and dropped from 219 to 212 in 7 days. As always, there is some daily fluctuation and four pretty good days in the gym. I also walked a couple days 3.5 miles with at least 100 pushups along the walk. The weeks before that with the same out-put, I crammed 200 grams of protein per day in via the same strict carnivore diet, and I gained 8-9 pounds.
I am the only control subject in my study (LOL) but my approach 'will both lose and gain weight dependent on food intake', it has been proven to improve my metabolic health (numerous blood tests from BP, to glucose, to lipid panel, to kidney function, to immunoglobulin/autoimmune response) and I have shown it is completely sustainable for me over time.
100% of all diets will work and 100% of all diets will fail. Diet success is pounds in the short-term, but that success is all too often short-lived. Diets that evolve into sustainable lifestyles is where the true successes land.
And with that said, I can see the need and the point of 'losing weight' by any means necessary.
Scott

I commented a lengthy response. I typed out my thoughts as you went so I apologize for how it reads.

This reminds me of the movie Elf

It’s a weight loss strategy and not a forever diet. Vegans and fruitarians are the examples of individuals who have turned it into a way of eating for a lifetime. I’m not aware of anyone talking about sugar dieting and sugar fasting who is recommending it for a lifetime. I think most of the talking heads would tell you meat is essential for optimal human health. It’s simply different from carnivore. I believe the people with most success on carnivore and keto diets are those who suffer with autoimmune diseases, extreme food intolerance, and sugar addiction. I’m being redundant here but I thinks it’s necessary, sugar diet/fasting is a weight loss strategy. It’s not meant to be a forever diet. So many people who are carnivore are on health journeys for a variety of reasons, but mainly because other interventions have failed.

Great video and something that people who are attempting a protein restricted diet should be made aware of.

I have not experienced fluctuating energy during the day. After coming off a keto-carnivore diet and then spending about a month on the standard American diet, now going on 4 weeks with the sugar diet—and honestly, my energy feels better now than it ever did on keto-carnivore.

Yes, I’m very familiar with Sally Norton. Electrolytes and hydration were part of my plan and routine from the get go. I did not to incorporate or “microdose” oxalate rich foods at the time of the rash. I tried to wait it out for a few weeks after it first appeared but it was unbearable. Adding carbs back into my diet cleared it entirely within 5 days. Maybe adding in very small portions of oxalate rich foods would have worked well… or maybe not at all. The only thing I’m certain of is the carbohydrates did and no rash has returned. The sugar diet continues to shed fat from my body with not negative sides. I will surely report anything negative that I experience here with everyone.

I was keto-vore for 9 months. Strict and monitored glucose and ketones regularly via keto mojo finger sticks. Was in low - moderate states of ketosis for months on end. Foods were largely Dr. Berrys BBB&E. I knew what I was doing and things were going great, until they weren’t. I mentioned last night that I’m not certain that my energy tanking and the rash were a result of my ketovore diet. But I added in carbs after experiencing the itchiest rash of my life for after about 4 weeks. Three days after adding carbs the itching started to go away. After 5 days the rash was gone. Again, my symptoms came after 9 months.
I’m moving away from the keto / carnivore lifestyle to experiment with a new weight loss strategy—sugar fasting. My WHY is simple… I have been chronically 40 pounds overweight for too many years. My opinion is that getting rid of the fat is the best thing that I can do for my body to improve overall health.

Hi all, was recommended to join here after chatting in the live on last night's Youtube video. 1 year ago I began eating a keto-vore type diet. Initially lost about 15 pounds and then nothing. Plateaued for months. At 9 months in, I developed a very itchy rash all over my flanks and armpits. So itchy that I could barely sleep. My energy felt like I was running on motor oil instead of gasoline as well. I asked around the carnivore space for help and was told the same 3 things over and over again: 1. you're oxalate dumping, add more electrolytes to support. 2. Just keep going, it will pass. 3. You must be doing your diet wrong.
I lasted another 3 weeks and had to bail on the diet. I wasn't sure if what I was experiencing was directly caused by the diet, but after adding carbs back in the itch began to go away after 3 days. And after 5 days the rash was gone. After this, my diet returned to the SAD diet and I gained about 10 pounds back.
Today, I am 3.5 weeks into the sugar diet. I've lost 9 pounds and I feel good up to this point.
Let me be clear... I don't think this is healthy when done for extended periods of time. There is no optimal human health when the diet excludes meat.
Currently I weigh 226 lbs. Goal is 175.