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You greatly reduce your risk of issues by avoiding the carbohydrates, especially if you have been keto-carnivore for some time and are already fat adapted. Protein and fat stimulated for less insulin and will also result in less overall electrolyte shifts. In cases of severe starvation it could still be an issue. The recommendation is to start reintroducing food slowly. Start with someone small and mild like bone broth, and egg, etc. Watch for symptoms. Then add more food gradually.

Welcome back @Meathead - You've been missed. As our resident Texan often says "Nothing tastes better than how I feel" - @Geezy

You have to know your audience. Some people can appreciate the reminder. "Oh yeah, you're right. I did feel so much better on carnivore". And then for others, pointing out their flaws offends them. In which case pointing our your successes and reasons might make them think deeper without turning attention to them directly.

Next year it moves to Nashville Tennessee. I think I might try to attend it myself.

Some friends invited us over for dinner yesterday. Their daughter is also carnivore (whom I regularly coach/converse with) so they knew how to accommodate me. They had nachos with taco fixin's, but for me had bought a bag of high quality pork rinds. I topped them off with the seasoned beef, chicken, sour cream, and cheese. It was delicous and I was able to "fit right in" and crunch along with everyone else, lol.

Inside a Carnivore Convention Where Meat Is Considered MedicineDevotees of the diet, which Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. follows, bonded over brisket and butter at Meatstock. By Dani Blum Photographs by Juan Diego Reyes for The New York Times Reporting from Gatlinburg, Tenn. May 5, 2026 Lisa Moss roamed the halls of Meatstock with a butter keychain dangling off her bag and a pin on her jean jacket that read: “I <3 steak.” She carried a bag of air-dried steak with her, just in case she needed a snack. Ms. Moss, 57, and her husband, Phil Moss, had flown from Alberta, Canada, to Meatstock, the three-day carnivore convention in Gatlinburg, Tenn. They were among more than 1,400 attendees who came to see their superstars — influencers who went by handles like “Steak and Butter Gal” and “2 Krazy Ketos” — and to meet other like-minded people who follow a carnivore diet of primarily or solely animal products, often forgoing fruits and vegetables entirely. “I’ve had people say that to me — ‘Don’t you want to just be normal?’” Serena Musick, a carnivore influencer, said during a panel on carnivore cooking tips. “If being normal means that you can’t exercise, and being normal means you can’t stand up without your knees or back hurting, then I don’t want to be normal,” she added. Talking to one another over brisket dipped in butter and cups of raw milk, they shared what they called their “testimonies,” describing how they believed the diet had healed a wide array of ailments, including arthritis, mental illness and diabetes. One attendee carried a pair of jean shorts that were nearly twice as wide as his waist, to show off the weight he’d lost since “going carnivore.” Most doctors would disagree with the attendees’ enthusiastic claims about the diet’s benefits. They have urged people to eat less red meat, warning that consuming too much raises cholesterol and increases the risk for heart disease. And they have stressed that fruits and vegetables are essential to prevent chronic illnesses. Those perspectives are of little interest to many at Meatstock. After shunning traditional diet advice, they have gone on to lose faith in conventional medicine and health guidance more broadly. It’s not just a diet, they said — it’s a mind-set. “It’s rethinking, relearning what we’ve all been taught,” said Ms. Moss, who adopted the carnivore diet seven years ago and wore a hat bearing the word “Tinfoil.” Standing for the national anthem. Zen Honeycutt, founder of Moms Across America. Followers of the carnivore diet remain a niche community, but their worldview is gaining more legitimacy. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. has said he follows a carnivore diet, which he has claimed could eliminate dangerous body fat. When Mr. Kennedy unveiled a new food pyramid this year, steak earned a top spot. Several of his prominent allies spoke at the convention, including Calley Means, his close adviser; Zen Honeycutt, founder of the advocacy group Moms Across America; Vani Hari, a food activist known as “The Food Babe”; and Alex Clark, the host of a popular wellness podcast. While many of the attendees said they weren’t particularly interested in politics, their statements often echoed the rhetoric of Mr. Kennedy’s “Make America Healthy Again” movement. They were eager to trade prescription drugs for added helpings of beef and painted mainstream medicine as trying to profit off patients. Attendees crammed into conference rooms for presentations on raw meat and food addiction, as well as a seminar that questioned whether high cholesterol could actually lead to heart disease. (It can.) In the exhibit hall, women in bonnets sold raw cheese and butter, advertised as “for cats and dogs” to skirt restrictions on selling those products to humans. People drifted between booths selling meat-centric items like tallow lotions and a cereal made of ground beef. Non-edible offerings included a holistic health class for home-schooled teens and a tool to block radiation from cell phones. Veronica Eggleston, 24, said that she had become increasingly attentive to what she puts into or on her body since she adopted the carnivore diet in high school. She replaced her traditional sunscreen with a tallow-based product, for example. Ms. Eggleston, who attended the conference with her mother, said that one of the hardest parts about adhering to the diet was the pushback she received from friends and co-workers. “It’s so nice to not feel weird, to be in a space where I’m not constantly getting questions or personal attacks,” said Ms. Eggleston. Many of the attendees also said they were there to find community. Some even walked around with cutting boards that they asked others to sign, like high school yearbooks. “There just seems to be such a camaraderie here,” said Karen Chandler, 65. “That’s felt really good for me, because I’ve been kind of out there by myself.” Ms. Chandler was sitting next to Christy Desautels, 59, whom she had befriended on the bus from the airport. They two were now talking over lunch — plain burger patties heaped high on silver trays. Attendees wore shirts with a variety of slogans, such as “Real Women Eat Meat” and “Eat Meat and Question Everything.” Another attendee, Adi Lavi, 34, seemed concerned with matters beyond friendship: She walked around the exhibit hall, wearing a bag that said “Ask me about carnivore dating.” She had become a carnivore while in a relationship with someone who “believes in conventional medicine,” she said. That divide was one of the main reasons they broke up. Now she was starting a matchmaking service, just for carnivores. Dani Blum is a health reporter for The Times. ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/05/well/meatstock-carnivore-diet-rfk-jr.html

Awesome! And happy Carniversary! It just dawned on me that my 3 year carniversary was May 12th. And @Geezy is May 9th. Fun that we are all May meaties :)

Cain no doubt toiled to produce his offering. God accepted grain offerings later on in the law of Moses, and God makes no mention of the manner in which the offering was made. But some other verses help draw a clearer picture.... The implication here is that Cain lacked faith. Now compare this thought with this verse.... So it would seem that God did not look with any favor upon Cain himself, and not just his offering. As a loving father, God even tried to correct Cain.... The language here implies that Cain was not regularly doing good, but rather regularly doing bad deeds. So it runs much deeper than his offering of fruits and vegetables.

With the parents' permission you should make that a publicly visible short. Now I want to film babies trying steak, lol

People may have already been doing it anyhow. This is, at the least, the first time God went on record saying he would find the practice acceptable moving forward. Either due to post-flood conditions on earth, post-flood conditions of imperfect man moving forward, or because animal-sacrifice and the use of blood for atonement was going to be used ritually and as a teaching tool and would set the stage for Jesus sacrifice a couple thousand years later.

This is why I have a problem with labels. These seem to fit us the best, if you absolutely MUST you a label.... 1) Omnivore 2) Faculative Carnivore 3) Hyper Carnivore To me, these all mean the same thing. I believe we need to be meat-centric, not plant-based, but if you want to entertain a little fruits and vegetation here and there and you choose ones that you don't react negatively to, then you've set a foot in the right direction.

That picture looks like it was cooked to perfection also!

I mean, would you rather have the jar of smushed peas, or the steak?

I agree completely with this. A GLP-1 might be very useful in getting one started on a successful health journey, especially if they are vastly overweight and have overeating/control issues. But it doesn't replace a proper human diet. It's not a get out of jail free card for ultra-processed junk food. The goal is to ultimately make your lifestyle one of healthy and wise dietary choices, and not depend on GLP-1's. This is legit. Keto and Carnivore diets increase the body's secretion of GLP-1. In short, a proper human diet, done properly, produces the same result.

Greek and Roman statues are bad? And I am amused with the guys getting some sunshine where the sun doesn't normally shine, lol

Did Humans Evolve To Eat Meat? An Evolutionary Biologist Explains What Your Anatomy Actually RevealsForbes·Scott Travers· April 27, 2026 The evolutionary case for eating meat is etched into human anatomy — but so is the case against it. The science deserves more than a simple verdict. getty Few questions produce more confident, contradictory answers than the one laid out in the headline of this story. Ask a carnivore diet enthusiast, and you’ll hear that humans are apex predators, biologically engineered for red meat and bone marrow. Ask a veganism advocate, and you’ll be directed toward our primate cousins, the chimpanzees and their largely plant-based diets. Ask a paleo proponent, and you’ll get something in between, involving a lot of wild game and seasonal berries. The problem with all of these answers is that they are each partly right, and that’s precisely what makes this such a genuinely interesting scientific question. The debate over the “natural human diet” is not merely a nutritional squabble; it cuts to the heart of who we are as a species, where we came from and how our bodies came to be built the way they are. What does the evolutionary and biological evidence actually say? As it turns out, something more nuanced and more fascinating than any tribe in the diet wars tends to admit. A Two Million-Year-Old History Of Meat-EatingLet’s start with the fossils, because they are unambiguous on one point: our ancestors were eating meat a very long time ago. Stone tool marks on animal bones recovered from Gona, Ethiopia, date butchery activity to approximately 2.6 million years ago — well before the genus Homo had fully established itself. By 1.5 million years ago, the evidence from Tanzania’s Olduvai Gorge suggests that early humans were not merely scavenging scraps. They were hunting. The most comprehensive synthesis of this evidence was published in a 2021 study in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology. Drawing on roughly 400 scientific papers spanning genetics, zooarchaeology, stable isotope analysis and comparative physiology, the authors argued that for the better part of two million years, Homo was a “hypercarnivore.” This means that Homo obtained more than 70% of dietary energy from animal sources, much like large social predators such as wolves and hyenas today. This is a striking claim, and not without its criticism. But the anatomical evidence supporting it is harder to dismiss than the headline figure might suggest. Consider the stomach. Human gastric acidity sits at a pH of approximately 1.5, which is as acidic as a dedicated scavenger, and far more acidic than other omnivores. Maintaining that level of acidity is metabolically expensive. It serves two purposes well understood by digestive physiologists: breaking down dense animal proteins, and sterilizing the bacteria that accumulate in aged meat. This is not the gut chemistry of a species that accidentally stumbled upon the occasional rabbit. Then there is the brain. Humans have, by any biological measure, an absurdly large brain relative to body size. Building and running it requires a continuous supply of iron, zinc, vitamin B12 and long-chain omega-3 fatty acids, particularly DHA. These nutrients exist in plants, but at lower concentrations and in forms that are often difficult to absorb. They are, however, abundant in animal tissue. The landmark “expensive tissue hypothesis,” published in Current Anthropology in 1995, proposed that the dramatic expansion of the human brain was made possible in part by a corresponding reduction in gut size — a trade enabled by switching to a higher-quality, more energy-dense diet rich in animal foods. Perhaps the most arresting piece of paleopathological evidence for our meat dependence comes from Tanzania. Fragments of a child’s skull, dated to 1.5 million years ago, show deformities consistent with porotic hyperostosis, a condition linked to vitamin B12 deficiency. B12 is found exclusively in animal-derived foods. If this interpretation is correct, it suggests that by that point in our evolution, meat had become not merely beneficial, but physiologically essential. Our bodies, having offloaded the metabolic cost of producing certain nutrients, had begun to rely on obtaining them externally. That is the biological definition of dietary dependence. Did We Prefer Meat Over Plants?If the story ended with meat, humans would look like obligate carnivores. But as we know full well, we are not. The evidence for deep, consequential plant-food adaptation in human biology is equally real — just harder to find in the ground. That last point is not a throwaway caveat. It’s a genuine methodological problem. Animal bones, stone tools and calcified tissue survive for millions of years. Tubers, seeds, leaves and fruit do not. The asymmetry in what the archaeological record preserves has almost certainly created a systematic overemphasis on meat in reconstructions of ancestral diets. Plant foods leave faint traces: microscopic starch granules on the surface of grinding stones, phytoliths in ancient sediment, the occasional charred seed. They require far more careful excavation to find. The important point is this: their near-absence in many fossil sites is not evidence of absence in the diet. The genetic evidence for plant-food adaptation is particularly compelling. A 2007 study in Nature Genetics found that humans carry significantly more copies of the salivary amylase gene (AMY1) than other primates. Amylase is the enzyme responsible for breaking down dietary starch in the mouth. The more copies you carry, the more amylase you produce and the more efficiently you digest carbohydrates. This is not a recent adaptation. The duplication of AMY1 appears to predate modern Homo sapiens and correlates with a long evolutionary history of consuming starchy plant foods, most likely underground storage organs like tubers, which were available year-round in ways that large game animals simply were not. Isotope analysis of Australopithecus skeletons, our ancestors from roughly 3 to 4 million years ago, shows dietary signatures consistent with a heavily plant-based diet, with little to no meat consumption. The major shift toward animal foods appears to coincide with the emergence of Homo and the development of stone tools, not with the entirety of the hominin lineage. This matters because it means the full span of our evolutionary history includes a very long chapter in which plants dominated. And then there is cooking, which complicates everything beautifully. Richard Wrangham’s “cooking hypothesis,” developed across decades of research and synthesized in his book Catching Fire, argues that the control of fire and the cooking of food, both plant and animal, was itself a primary driver of brain expansion. Cooking dramatically increases the bioavailability of calories from starchy roots and tubers, making them a suddenly viable staple. It also softens meat, reducing the jaw musculature required to chew it raw, which in turn frees up cranial space for brain tissue. The key insight is that cooking was not just a way of making food safer. It was a biological lever that changed what counted as food in the first place. Is Meat Non-Negotiable For Humans?This is where intellectual honesty requires us to step back from the data and ask what we are actually trying to learn. “Did humans evolve to eat meat?” is, in a narrow sense, answerable: yes, substantially so, particularly over the last two million years. But the more important question, “What does that mean for how I should eat today?” is one that evolutionary biology alone cannot answer. Miki Ben-Dor, one of the most vocal proponents of the hypercarnivore hypothesis, is explicit about this in his own published work. Ancestral eating patterns are not dietary prescriptions. The Pleistocene megafauna our ancestors hunted are largely extinct. Our food supply, physical activity levels, disease environment, lifespan and population density are radically different from anything our Stone Age ancestors encountered. Evolution optimizes for reproductive success in a given environment, not for long life in a modern one. The epidemiological literature adds another wrinkle here. A 2015 meta-analysis published in The Lancet Oncology and commissioned by the World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research on Cancer, classified processed meat as a Group 1 carcinogen and red meat as Group 2A, “probably carcinogenic” to humans. These classifications are not without nuance (dose matters enormously), but they suggest that whatever our ancestors’ digestive systems were calibrated for, the industrially produced meat that constitutes most modern consumption is a rather different substance. What the totality of evidence actually supports is this: humans are metabolically flexible omnivores with notable carnivorous adaptations that emerged over the past two million years, overlaid on an older primate legacy of plant consumption. We are neither obligate carnivores nor natural herbivores. We are something more ecologically interesting: a species whose evolutionary success was built precisely on dietary versatility, on the capacity to extract adequate nutrition from whatever combination of foods a given environment provided. That flexibility is arguably the most important thing our anatomy reveals. Not what we must eat, but what we can. The question of what we should eat — given our health, our ecology, our ethics and our planet — is one we have to answer ourselves, with better tools than our ancestors had. The bones, genes and stomach acid are informative. They do not, however, have to decide our menu. ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scotttravers/2026/04/27/did-humans-evolve-to-eat-meat-an-evolutionary-biologist-explains-what-your-anatomy-actually-reveals/

That was absolutely adorable! I loved when they pulled the steak away from him his eyes get all big like "yo! where are you going?" as he reaches for it again with both his hands, lol :)