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This is indeed going to be difficult, which is why an entire electrolyte industry has popped up in conjunction with the surge in popularity of ketogenic, including carnivore, diets. To get your recommended RDA of say, magnesium, you would have to pound down 3+ lbs of beef daily. Very few people do that. I know Shawn Baker, Anthony Chaffee, our resident @Meathead can pull it off. The need for electrolytes seems to happen at the beginning of when you cut the carboHYDRATEs. You spill electrolytes along with all the water. This also contributes to the cotton mouth. Your likely someone dehydrated. This need goes on for up to a year, but many peoples dependence on electrolytes wanes the longer they live this lifestyle. Many veteran carnivores boast about not even using salt. I personally couldn't imagine that. Back in the day, you could get all these minerals from water because we drank from springs. Today, water is processed and every impurity is filtered out and removed, and many of the minerals get removed along with it. If we lived a long time ago, we probably could eat this way without electrolyte supplementation just from drinking springwater. I would try taking advantage of that LMNT and see if it helps. Start with one at night. Maybe add one more in the morning. You shouldn't need more than that. With that aside.... I've noticed this too. Dr. Berry would say that many people's hearts start beating stronger, which is why you notice it more than before. This could be. On the other hand, it could be too low or too high in certain electrolytes. In your case, likely the former, in harmony with your hypothesis.

Those 2 sentences may be more related to each other than you might think, lol.

Carnivore ice cream is a real thing. I enjoy making it once in a while. All fat, zero carbs.

If I have a little refined sugar, I find myself wanting to look for ways to slip in a little more here and a little more there. I definitely think there is an addictive aspect to it. This is in particular with glucose, as it goes straight to the cells. Something that's mostly fructose, like many fruits, do not trigger these impulses in me.

Maybe. I've found electrolyte needs to vary among individuals and often is just a temporary thing. For some salt is just fine. Others find themselves benefiting from magnesium and potassium (there can be trace elements of these other minerals in your salts, but to no significant quantity). And then others stop electrolytes after several months or years and they are fat adapted, and some even stop using salt.

You mean there is milk in butter? I must be missing something here, but who would not be aware that butter came from cows?

I've had raw eggs in a glass of beer before, lol. And several months back I tried a bite of steak raw and some liver raw before I cooked it. Believe it or not the raw liver tasted better than the cooked liver. I had a bite of raw hamburger once, and the next day I had to superspeed to the bathroom a couple times, but that may have been coincidence. Basically, a few things come into play here.... 1) Raw will technically have more nutrients because cooking may break down some of the water-soluble vitamins (like B and C), whereas fat-soluable vitamins are more stable (D, E, and K). If you boil the food, minerals may leach into the water. Is it enough to make a difference? Does this mean you are not getting the nourishment you need? No, it does not mean that. Cooked meat will still have plenty of nutrition for your body's needs. 2) Raw and undercooked meat carries a higher risk of bacteria and parasites. Someone in another group I am in found a worm in their steak the other day, and may have eaten part of it. It's hard to say if something will come of it or not. But if the steak was thoroughly cooked she will be fine. The lesson here is trust your sources, inspect your meat. Fresh is best. I myself have gotten sick cooking a steak that was just a day or two past it's "use or freeze by" date but I thought it looked good enough to gamble with.

It's halloween and that's your scary monster costume, lol

Impressive! 3 pounds. You often comment that you are impressed by how much some of us can eat in one sitting. Did you manage to polish off this whole thing?

So yes, generally speaking, Dr. Hampton is spot on. There are a couple caveats in my particular case though. I am fairly convinced my kidney disease is a result of organ damage from pharmaceuticals. If it were from hyperinsulinemia, then I think I would have seen much better recovery often experienced by other carnivores who suffered from diabetic kidney disease and got to enjoy some reversal. My eGFR (via creatinine) has not gone up. In fact, it has "got worse" because I consume more protein that I did before, therefore producing more creatinine, and therefore throwing off the numbers. But if you look at my Cystatin C and some other markers, there have been minor improvements. The jury is still out on whether it's necessary to limit protein in stages 4/5 prior to dialysis. My theory is that it doesn't matter, that this is a modern medical myth, and I am willing to gamble with my own health by continuing to enjoy a staple of steak and eggs.

Did you get a loading dose of iodine BEFORE you started your 24 hour urine collection? The idea is to give you a loading dose, and then see how much is excreted over the next 24 hours. If very little is excreted, then this indicates most of it was absorbed which may signal iodine deficiency. But if you never received the loading dose, the urine collection tells us nothing. The next question then becomes 'How much iodine are you taking? What kind? Brand? and concentration?'. And also "How much salt are you loading up with? What kind? What brand?" You could be overdoing/overdosing both.

How do you know you need to supplement iodine? What is your reason for salt loading? Are you aware that salt loading is should only be done over a short period of time and not something you maintain at length? Before anyone starts supplementing iodine, I recommend you get some lab work to see if you even need to. BOTH iodine deficiency AND excess iodine can cause high blood pressure. That salt/sodium also increases blood pressure is pretty well known also. As carnivores we don't usually care because 1) we're getting a lot less sodium now that we have abandoned fast food and dining out for the most part, so we are actually getting less even if we salt to taste, and 2) the rise in blood pressure is temporary and comes back down. But if you are constantly salt loading you might night be giving your body and kidneys enough time to excrete the excess.

From the article.... That's it? 🤣 I am waaaay above average, lol.

Perfect analogy! 👍

Probably a combination of factors going on here. #1 on the list is simple sugars/carbs. Yes, those get prioritized first by the body. Depending on the sugar, it can get taken directly into the cells and fat burning ceases. Over consumption and it starts turning into fat cells for storage. Then when the sugar runs out the body signals that it's hungry because the fuel is gone and fat burning was shut off. You have to suffer through it until fat burning turns back on. #2 on the list could be fat:protein ratios. Does the protein drink have any significant fat content? Not likely, since it's a *protein" drink. Excess protein will convert to glucose via gluconeogenesis. Bascially the protein drink is like eating a lean chicken breast - with almost no fat you're hungry again an hour later. #3 on the list would be that it's a liquid. It's already digested for you at the factory. So it doesn't stick around long in your stomach. It's like squirting lighter fluid on a fire. It burns up super fast and then the flame goes back out, lol.

So I enjoy seeing some of the recent news and having people with accurate knowledge making changes. But I do have to wonder will the next administration swing back to the left and undo everything. This is kinda the way it happens with everything else in politics, lol.

My thoughts are in agreement with what has been said above already. Electrolytes are something that is very much needed in the beginning, especially when transitioning to a carnivore diet. But as time goes on the need for electrolytes decreases. Try reducing your LMNT to once a day instead and then if you still feel fine with the reduced consumption then reduce it again to one every other day, etc. Remember you can get an electrolyte panel and see what your electrolyte needs are. You may need to reduce one, and maybe raise another, and if that is the case you will have to resort to individual supplements instead of a product that blends them altogether. Coffee is a known culprit. Coffee stimulates colon contractions, and caffeine can give some people a slippery slope in their insides, lol. But even decaf can have a laxative effect. It could be that after 2 years-ish of healing, now you're becoming sensitive to the toxins in coffee. Many of us who are strict carnivore notice that they become more sensitive to various plant products over time.

I fixed the link and embedded it in the post above. So while I am on board with high fructose corn syrup being worse then sugar, in reality it won't change much. If people keep consuming the same amount of high carbohydrate sodas they were before, this switch to can sugar will not make much of a differnce to them, if any.

Let's smoke.... some meats, lol. Dr. Berry makes great content with his down to earth common sense explanations.

Sounds delicious! Welcome aboard @Karen s

Welcome @Carnivore Chef and @Kat7 to Carnivore Talk! :) That's where I currently sit. While most days I am beef, butter, sausage, and eggs, with salt, I am not averse to seasonings and I still drink diet beverages. A couple times a month the family will go out and I might choose to "cheat" with keto. I'm not anti-plant, but I keep them at a distance and don't let them become my buddies anymore, lol. Here we're friendly towards anyone who is into a carnivore-centric (i.e. meat-based) diet, whether that's keto, ketovore, animal-based, or strictly flesh only.

And here's a belated welcome from me. I am self-employed with a construction business that has to keep 4 people busy, and its peak season for me so I am a little behind on the interwebs and social media lately. I'll put your interview in my playlist and give it a listen.

Welcome to Carnivore Talk :) My adaptation period lasted about 6+ weeks, during which time I didn't know if I was going to sit down and drop a few constipated gravel pellets or if I was going to explode with enough pressure to levitate off the seat. It was very unpredictable. But eventually, things returned to my new normal, which is going every 2-3 days on average with normal consistency. There is occasionally a loose stool situation which could be too much fat, meat that's gone bad, or a virus: I never really know. The fatigue could be a sign that you're not eating enough. You admitted to having a low appetite. It could also be that you could benefit from some Keto Choe Daily Minerals or a couple LMNT packets mixed with water throughout the day to replenish your electrolytes. It's common for folks to need these in the beginning, and then as time goes on you're able to get along without them.