Scott F.

Good luck as it sounds like a solid plan to me. Scott

Somewhat in the same boat as Bob. I am pretty much happy with my weight after dropping 90-95lbs and bouncing around in the 85-90lb lost range. I'm still working out but eating way more than I really need to be eating. The 'last few pounds' usually land around visceral fat and this can be difficult to lose. (I am about to attempt to drop 10-15lbs of mine). I'm going to use fasting, somewhat more aggressive, than what I have been doing the last few months. Currently, I fast from 48-72-96 hours every other month, or so. Sometimes plans and life get in the way of the fasting but I am going to change that starting this week. Instead of fasting every other month and then eating to gain muscle (extra proteins) when not fasting I'm going to fast and then go back to eating when I am hungry, which I think/hope will gradually shift back to once a day. (since using the protein powders and the protein drinks the little bit of sugar has sparked an appetite I didn't have the first 10-12 months eating carnivore and today I can eat bigger meals and even twice per day). I am not sure if fasting works for a lot of people but it has worked wonders for me. Scott

I think anytime a group eats in a strict form, or an extreme way, there can be shortcomings, both real and perceived. To some the carnivore approach is crazy. Remember, to a lot of groups we are the weirdos. LOL For some the strict carnivore diet is not the way to go, others see benefit from morphing from carnivore toward a low carb keto approach and others see improvements when coming off low carb keto to carnivore. I happen to benefit from going cold turkey from a complete trash diet to a strict carnivore diet which eventually evolved to a carnivore lifestyle. I think anyone that ditches the processed foods and sugars get healthier, regardless of what their diet is called. Along the way they may need to supplement or make some adjustments but staying away from the garbage seems to work for most everyone. In this particular case I think the issue was not an all-fruit diet but an actual eating disorder/mental health issue. This was a slow demise and unfortunately no one was able to intervene/convince her to make better decisions. Scott

I think that is where I fall as well. I have seen milk trigger a stall and when weight loss was a goal I limited the milk for the most part. I don't think I ever totally eliminated it but I can see where it could be a problem. It is indeed nature's weight gainer as that is what the good lord intended it for, to grow babies. (and it will 'grow' adults as well, the difference being babies grow up and adults grow out) I have some pounds to go with visceral fat and some body composition. I actually started drinking more milk to head off some weight loss a few months ago, and it worked. I stalled my weight loss around 95lbs and gained about 10 back to bounce around the 85–90-pound total loss since starting carnivore. I'm using it now a little more often but not like it is a staple of my daily food intake. Sometimes, I simply like a glass of milk. Scott

Yep. I think it was as much the eating disorder as what she was actually eating. She could have picked all vegetables or all roots or all just about anything and found troubles. I would venture a guess to say it was the fact it was an eating disorder because she never recognized she was orchestrating her own demise. Thoughts and prayers for her, her friends and her family. Hopefully there is a lesson learned. Scott

WOW! So my question is that this didn't happen overnight and I would have to think someone said something? At some point a person has to look in the mirror and see the results of their choices. I have lost as much as 95lbs, to the point I did look sickly. I had been really sick a few years prior and I had a bunch of people both ask and think I was sick all over again. I wonder how many people tried to intervene as her decisions to a long time to get her to the end. Scott

I have never been one to set goals or even make plans. "Me and life" find a way to trash out even the best made plans. I go with a different approach. I start off with 'this is what I am going to do' and then go from there. I have lost as much as 95lbs, bouncing around 85-90 lost today and I'm going to attack visceral fat around the gut and change my body composition some more. I am not sure what that new number will be as I will be trying to add muscle as some of the fat goes away. If the composition changes the number will be no more than a number. From there I will continue with the carnivore approach and focus a bit more on red meat and adding more fish. Scott

Agreed. I am pretty sure I have been carnivore the last 19 months. When I got rid of all the other garbage in my diet it is really easy to see the effects of what I do eat. I feel better on longer stretches of red meats. Pork is not as satiating for me as red meat and I can eat more chicken/pork per sitting than I can red meat. I found that milk will put the brakes on weight loss for me but haven't had any other ill effects from drinking milk. (and I like it too) I morphed all that into my current eating habits. I call it carnivore. Maybe I'm off the mark to some. LOL Scott

Agreed. I made the tallow a couple days before and thought we were on the same page. I get home and see peanut oil jugs. I am pretty sure a couple three times over 19 months is not going to do me in, or be the straw that broke the camels back, but once you learn something one can't un-ring that bell. I thought the tallow fried turkey tasted better. Could have been a mind thing for me but I am pretty sure I felt a little better about it. LOL Scott

So how, exactly, do you feel about seed oils? LOL Agreed. I haven't had but a tad of seed oils in the last 19 months. We have eaten out two or three times over that period, one they were nice enough to scrape the grill and cook in butter, the second time they said they did but they didn't and the third time I didn't bother asking. We don't eat out hardly ever, even before carnivore. We have a cabin next to the house and it has turned out to be everyone's favorite place to go. We always ask, "wanna go out to eat tonight?", "maybe, but I will be good with a steak on the grill out at the cabin" and then., "the cabin it is". My son deep fried a turkey for Thanksgiving and it was pretty good cooked in peanut oil. I fried one the following Saturday in tallow I had made and I "think' mine tasted better but several could not tell the difference. But I agree, seed oils are no good. Scott

I never totally gave up milk (some dairy) except for in the very beginning of switching to carnivore. I learned about the diet on one evening and started a strict carnivore approach the next morning. So much so, I didn't realize that the majority of the salt in my diet was coming from the processed crap I was eating. I got off on both hydration and electrolytes the first week or so. The first videos I watched trying to learn a little more were somewhere between "anti-milk to every so often but not recommended". I ditched the milk altogether for a stretch. Then over time I started back with a glass here and a glass there. For me, if I were losing weight between a 1/2 to 1 pound per day all it would take was a glass or two of milk and I was immediately in a "stall". Back when weight loss was the only real goal I had with carnivore I spaced the milk out when I did drink a glass. One glass I would get a lull in the weight loss and a second glass during that lull put the brakes on any weight loss, and at times adding a pound or so back. Fast forward to trying to build muscle while still on the carnivore diet I started drinking more milk. I use it to mix protein powder to get the protein grams per pound up. I'm still strict on what I eat with zero fruits and zero vegetables and the sugar I eat is limited to the milk and the protein supplements. I sort of semi-cycle on and off the protein supplements, somewhere around monthly. The milk goes along with that. I have added some muscle and lost a lot of fat but still have some visceral fat I would like to lose but feel like I am in a pretty good spot. In early '24 I was over 320 and have been as low as 210 and now bounce around between 215 and 221. (with milk and protein). The monthly fasting drops my weight several pounds close to the 210 mark and then I eat, supplement and drink milk back to >215. Some muscle and some fat. I feel like milk is working for me. Scott

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Keep going. In the first month you are still adjusting. Increasing the proteins in your diet and removing the carbs probably moved you into ketosis. Mine made a jump in the early months but fell back to normal. Then recently it pushed just outside the normal limit but I have been eating a lot of protein as of late. I don't do organ meats and I make sure I hydrate throughout the day. When I eat normal amounts of protein and hydrate my number drops back. Not sure if this helps but I have seen my uric number inch up and down over the last 18-19 months. Scott

I'm neither diabetic nor do I have kidney related issues. Hopefully Bob sees this and responds. Kidney issues are in his wheelhouse. Several members of the board have discussed the positive effects of the carnivore way of eating. Hopefully they chime in as well. Scott

Welcome. Good luck with their schooling. Scott