Scott F.

They already have reacted. In 2020 Harvard released a study that showed the overwhelming majority of the test subjects on a carnivore/really low carb diet showed benefits pretty much across the board, from weight loss being the obvious, to inflammation reduction, relief from various gut issues and others. The response triggered a ripple in the research community which brought back studies from the past that showed the benefits of a red meat diet and even further back to what is called now a proper human diet. Then in 2024 Harvard reversed its opinion on carnivore and the benefits of the lifestyle/way of eating. The difference between 2020 and 2024? A multi-billion dollar donation from the gate keepers. One it promotes his attempts at lab grown meats (Big Tech) and keeps the processed food industry as the primary source of nutrition for many (Big Food) which in turn keeps us all sick and unhealthy (Big Pharma). I'm not all into conspiracies and I don't think this is conspiracy in that sense. I think it is as simple as greed and the desire to control and have power. I have not contributed to the processed food industry in well over a year. I have not taken any medicine since June 2024. Odds are I have had my last infusion. Just me alone had clipped those groups for thousands (infusion is $57,000 twice per year. Processed and junk food was $425 a month multiplied by 12 is another ~$5000. If just me alone can remove over $100,000 from the BIG PICTURE equation, just imagine the impact of just the people on this forum. Then imagine the carnivore/keto community as a whole. The billions of dollars was an investment into our future, some profit and some get sick and the ones that act out are silenced thru marketing and mass media. It is a business model that has worked amazingly well since the 50's. Scott

If I were a world class athlete I think i could debate this a tad bit better. I am getting to the above average mark for the average 56 year old. Meat and fat will serve me just fine and provide all the energy I need, both for the day to day as well as my lifting/walking/working out. I have not, nor do I anticipate taking things to that level. However, since I have not gotten crazy-go-get'em energy from meats and fats I have developed a steady energy that lasts all day for me now. I don't see crazy bounce off the wall energy just showing up anytime soon. I am not saying fat can't be the answer but I am saying I see the theory and based on me, I can see where it could work. But also based on me I am not physically challenging the limitations of fat. I know one person who uses a couple sweet potatoes on Thursdays before he does what I consider a long a pretty much grueling workout on Fridays and the rest of the week strict carnivore. As soon as this topic popped a few weeks ago I have looked for him in the gym for some insight. Still a very interesting topic for me. Scott

I wouldn't change anything. It is a part of the story. "almost quit" can be translated any number of ways. Just like the post above on 'carbs and energy' if I read about it, then post "I think this could work" I might give it a try and then decide my current path is working. Well, then "I almost quit" carnivore. LOL Tons of people have started carnivore and a very high percentage have quit. My son started, then me, then my wife, then two guys at work. Me and one other guy at work are still carnivore. I'm strict and he occasionally indulges, maybe once or twice per month. Depending on how one defines carnivore in my group 80% of people who start end up quitting. Those percentages sort of indicate the other 20% has 'almost quit' at some point. LOL Scott

I have read it both ways, but I think that lands on the intensity and duration of the exercise more so than the different fuel sources. A person pushing themselves to their maximum effort every session could answer that question better than me as my exercising, lifting and walking is effective but let's just say 'I don't leave it all on the field every time out'. The paper and log analogy is spot on. The paper will always burn faster and possibly hotter for a brief moment and once the log is burning the steady burn and the hot coals remain constant unless a piece breaks off and there may be a spurt of burn/flame but nothing like the spike of the paper. If I were a super-duper athlete doing super-duper work, I can see the need for that spurt of energy to get thru the workout. What I see as being the true advantage of the scenario is that when the paper flames up and is gone the steadiness of the fire from the log remains constant. it is not like the fire dims or goes out without the continual adding of the paper. If that makes any sense at all. If at any point my workouts ramp to the point I am at an energy deficit I could see this as an option. The workouts and the loads are ever increasing but the "log" is holding me just fine right now. LOL Still a very interesting topic. Scott

True. I use them for protein supplementation/boost appetite (a tad bit of sugar) but nothing replaces a good steak. LOL Scott

Good to hear you figured it out. The LMNT reads like a really good product. Scott

Depends on the grain, velocity and location. Scott

Interesting read. The headline is a bit scarier than the information in the story. Understanding no amount of lead is good in most of the products one would have to take more than the recommended daily amount over time for there to be lead issues (and I sound like a spokesperson for the company, LOL) I use protein powder two to three times per week. It helps me hit some protein per pound numbers when I just can't eat enough on that day. I scanned thru the products and didn't see the brand I use on their list. Either I am good or will soon be setting off metal detectors, maybe somewhere in between. Nice post. Scott

Welcome. I'm hoping to be off on a Monday night soon to participate in the conversations. Congrats on the turnaround. Scott

Very true. The 'harvests' way back when was minimal in comparison. We spray, we hybrid plants, we preserve all in efforts to maximum the volume, make it last long enough to ship it all over the world. Today's tomato is not yesterday's tomato by any stretch of the imagination. Scott

I will wait for the drawing at the end to see who wins what. I'm sort of staying pat and choosing to not rock my boat. LOL Scott

I'm with Geezy. I consider myself carnivore (I now think I am in a carnivore lifestyle after 17 months as for the longest I considered it a carnivore diet-changes with time) but I do get some sugars in here and there with the protein supplements I am using. For me, the tad bits of sugar here and there have boosted my appetite. I have more than surpassed the weight loss goals and the bonus plan was I hit a bunch of metabolic and overall health achievements that I didn't know were possible when I first started. Sort of like the bonus plan. I believe in individual continual improvements. Most come to carnivore off some sort of dumpster diet, or from a dumpster diet to a keto type diet and then on to carnivore. We all vary. Once we have made improvements there may be some adjustments to continue health improvements or get a person to a spot where they can 'enjoy' other foods (responsibly and maybe in moderation, but enjoy them the same) and still eat primary carnivore. Our ancestors ate fruits and vegetables and plant matter regularly when they were available or in season. Granted they didn't spray them and color them and preserve them to ship them all over the world year around but they did eat them. I am sure we could do the same and be very healthy. I have done so well on the pretty much strict carnivore I don't see me changing anytime soon. I am not the luckiest guy in the world and I am sure which ever carb I choose will be the one that triggers my auto immune issues. Somedays, I just 'got it like that'. I do see many bailing on the lifestyle but like Geezy said, a lot of those videos turn out to be click bait. And, for most, click bait works cause they keep doing it. LOL Scott

It is sort of ironic to speak on carnivore carb intake, which I guess moves the needle to some degree of keto, but I found this interesting. Several months ago I posted about a guy at the gym who went strict carnivore for several years. I am guessing he is late 50's/early 60's but he is jacked. He is strict carnivore six days a week but on Thursdays he eats a couple three sweet potatoes because Friday is higher weight/higher sets/higher weight/higher volume day in the gym. He uses the carbs for glycogen and fuel for the next days work. He said after going carnivore he felt some drop in performance/energy when doing burst type work. The all-day steady energy was present but if he went higher in intensity he felt some drain early on in the work and dialed salt and water and timed his meals and nothing seem to get him where he wanted to be/how he wanted to feel. He added the carbs one day a week before his big workout and it bridged that gap. I thought it was an interesting concept and have thought about it myself but just not ready to rock the boat with my immune system health after going carnivore. With my luck the very carb I choose will be the one that triggered my auto-immune response way back when. LOL. This is the first really pro-carnivore advocate to speak to the addition of carbs for sporting/workout energy expenditures. (others may be out there but most are not exactly pro-carnivore) Good video. Is This the End of Carnivore?

That is sort of how it works. It takes time and then it feels "all of a sudden". Congrats. I'm in the same boat. I can't see eating another way after all the positives I have had since going carnivore. I guess my biggest fear is with my luck I will choose the very thing that caused me issues in the past. My luck ruins like that. LOL I'm pretty much going with the 'not going to rock the boat' approach to my current eating plan. Scott

Welcome. This is a great place to drop by for both insight and encouragement. It is a double positive because the group can learn something from you/be inspired by you as well. Share your story. I'm about 17 months or so now. I'm off medicine for pain and inflammation (prednisone and gabapentin/Neurontin) for NMO/SD. I am thinking I have had my last infusion (8 hours every six months) but more on that next month as my immune system bloodwork is now back in range. I started at 306 and down to as low as 210 but hovering around 215 as of late. I had some bumps in the road, mostly self inflicted, but bumps the same but no real negatives. Good luck and welcome. Scott