Scott F.

Try floating for a few hours then sinking under the water for six months. That makes floating not seem so bad. I pulled out of Norfolk once, submerged and surfaced 63 days later to enter the Strait of Gibraltar. Scott

Welcome. Just over 14 months for me. I had the loose stools in the beginning as I went cold turkey/hard switch. It eased up within a few weeks to a month. Like Geezy, mine will get loos when I up the fat content and probably surpass whatever "my number" for fat happens to be. I'm guessing that is a floating number as it will factor with the protein for a ratio. For the last few months, I have been somewhat forcing myself to eat close to 200 grams of protein. When I eat a lot my stools are solid and finished off sort of loose. Then it is 4-5 days before I go again. I'd check out the videos by Dr. Chaffee and Dr. Berry on the subject and their advice on using Magnesium as a supplement. I used it early on and I think it worked. Best of luck. Scott

Yep. I left the east coast on a submarine, got to the Mediterranean, small boat transfer to a LPH, a helo-transfer to a carrier and then a puddle jumping plane to Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and then to Kuwait. I was there to repair an oxygen generator in a make-shift hospital/aid station. Some branches do not have the same sense of humor. When I arrived I was handed and M-16 rifle and I said, "don't need that dude, I brought my own screwdrivers". It went over like a lead balloon. But yep. Go Navy. Scott

4 boiled eggs, left over pork BBQ and maybe six or eight chicken tenders. Sort of a 'clean the fridge-hodge podge' for work today. Scott

I did the same. I narrowed it down to a couple, maybe three. I couldn't decide so it ended up being a Christmas gift. The initial walks with 40lbs was tougher than I expected. it is still a ton of difference between with/without walking. I like it and I think it really aids in the effectiveness of long walks. Scott

I looked and looked. I couldn't find it. When I am reading at work I will click on tabs and links and footnotes if it leads to the next topic. Some nights the topics bounce so far apart one would think I have some 'staying on point' issues. I hope I stumble upon it again. It was a pretty good read. Scott

When I hit the button, I was aiming for picture but managed to hit video. But yes, it is Pro Iron. My apologies. I like the vest itself. It wears comfortably. If the weights were removable/returnable easier I would recommend it over any others I tried. It sort of takes the versatility out and makes this one a 40lb vest. Scott

I do the same with the no sugar/no carb protein powder from Bulk Supplement. The pre-mixed version I bought does carry sugar, not as much as it tastes like (no sugar in a long while probably makes it extra sweet tasting) but for whatever reasons, it triggers hunger. I'm putting it on the carbs and sugars (mostly because I am a carnivore and that is what we do, LOL) but that extra hunger allows me to eat whole proteins (Meats and fats/fats and meats) to get up close to my suggested numbers. I then target my heaviest lifting days (total volume and load just not lifting "heavy") on the days around the extra eating. It has resulted in some strides in the gym and the tradeoff is a few pounds here and there. I doubt sugar will ever be a popular choice in a carnivore forum but I'm going to ride this wave til I see different/feel different. Go from there. Scott

This the brand I bought. I like the fit and the weights are well distributed. I don’t feel like I’m being pulled forward or backward. The only drawback is the weights are to remove and even harder to put back in their pouches. Relatively cheap too.

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I wouldn't see the harm. I'm a big fan on longer water fasting. It has been my subject of research as of late. Tons of information about the positive effects of longer fasting on cancer cells to go along with the positives of eliminating sugars. I believe fasting has played a huge role in my blood work improvements along with the carnivore approach. I feel like they are a winning combination. Best of luck with the scan results. Scott

I take Rituxan every six months for an auto-immune disease called Neuromyelitis Optica Spectrum Disorder. It is an immunotherapy drug. Once I was on carnivore I came off the daily prednisone and Neurontin. It took maybe 4-5-6 weeks and I no longer needed those two medications. I have been on a strict carnivore diet for 14 months and have seen no issue with 'carnivore and immunotherapy'. I always suggest talking with your doctor, as I am not a doctor and the only medical degree I have is via youtube and Google, and I am sure they don't count. LOL Carnivore has been a super positive experience for me. Zero regrets and pretty much zero negatives. I'm 55 off medicine, lost 95 pounds and will soon have a conversation with the Neurologist about stopping the immunotherapy. My AQP-4 and Igg and IgA numbers have drastically improved since going carnivore. Talk to your doctors. Some will be understanding of your diet choice and some, not so much. And some, will even preach against it. My Neurologist says he is not exactly ready to medically recommend carnivore for his patients but seeing my successes he wishes some of his other patients would give me a call. Believe it or not that is a lot of progress withing the medical community. Welcome to the board. The carnivore is working for me, and I do a six hour infusion every six months of Rituxan. (I don't know how that translates to your particular medicine, so you will have to do the leg work....) Good luck. And welcome. Scott

Yep. 3 guys 2 racks. Everyone hot racks til you gain some seniority. I did sub school after A school. C school for a bit, to the boat, then to dive school in Panama City, then to the shipyards, then to another boat and then got out in 93. It was 2,192 days not that I started counting around a 1000 nor did I keep a logbook counting down days describing every which way I felt like the Navy was not for me. I realized it was not for me when I arrived at the recruit depot for boot camp all the way til I got out 6 years later. I had a ton of fun with the people I served with, met some of the wildest and most dependable people in the world. And as much as I disliked things it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Odd to say, I hated it so much but would not change one minute. Yep, bubble head. Scott

Welcome to the forum. This is a really good place to read and learn but at the same time bounce your questions, thoughts and experiences off the board members. All of us are different and all of us have unique experiences with carnivore. It won't be cookie-cutter between any two people. Geezy is spot on with his response. I will use your age and your carnivore time. You spent 27 years eating one way and odds are a lot of those foods created a lot of issues (any number of health issues) so odds are you will not correct them with 27 days of carnivore. Some heal faster, some slower. On average, for a carnivore, at 27 you are on the younger side, most start much later in life. I would suggest work thru the struggles because I spent 54 years pounding my body the wrong way and only have 14 months of eating the way I was designed. I have made great strides, but I truly believe I would have healed faster had I pounded less/healed more. So, good for you for making this decision much earlier than the average. I went cold-turkey on the plants and the sugars form day 1. I had a lot of the same issues as you mentioned. It took me several months to get thru the loose issues in the bathroom. 1. I went cold-turkey so some call it healing and some call it de-toxing/withdrawals and whichever, the gut will react accordingly to sudden change. Like mentioned, make sure your salt content is solid. The first ten pounds or so was water and with that water a lot of electrolytes and minerals left with it. You are probably depleted. Look into the electrolyte drinks like LMNT and such. (go to youtube and you can make your own for pennies on the dollar in comparison to store bought packets)\ Check your fat content. When cooking burger try to eat as much of the grease as you can. The advertised fat content of hamburger is often left in the pan. Those leftovers can be the key to your success. This is a higher fat/moderate protein approach. (I too use burger and chuck steak to off-set the cost of rib-eyes. There is a thread on here about carnivore costs and believe it or not, it is cheaper big picture but I still scoff/struggle with something that is 15-16-17 plus per pound. I'm cheap) Move. Start walking or exercising. Carnivore will work either way (I believe) but the exercise, especially walking, will speed up the process. Coming off the plants and the sugars your body will use up the glycogen and you will become fat adapted. You will burn fat for energy and the more energy you expand the more fat you will burn. The process is accelerated because the body is not using food for storage near as much as when the sugars and carbs are being eaten. Be patient. (and although I didn't and still do) Try not to use the scale as a measuring stick. You will find as you drop body fat and water content changes, your weight my stay the same or even increase a pound or two during that same time you have to cinch your belt up a notch or two. At the same weight the pants fit a tad looser. Body composition changes are far more beneficial than the number on the scale. (And with that I'm a total hypocrite as I weigh myself regularly-LOL maybe it is do as I say not as I do-LOL) Best of luck. Bounce your experiences here. You will learn some things and better yet we will learn some things from you. Scott

I do the same. I'm currently bouncing around 213-218 (down from 306 in May '24 and down from 319 earlier in '24) I'm guessing my ideal weight is somewhere around 190-200lbs. I based the grams per pound on the 190-200 and struggle to eat that much protein in any given day. I sort of altered the concept of the diet a couple times due to the fact my appetite was basically no more. If I eat a meal that leaves me comfortably full, I'm not actually hungry again for 24-30 hours. And that meal will be far short of 200 grams of protein. I lessened the fat content to lessen the total amount of food in an attempt to get all the protein. For whatever reason, I gained weight steadily over that period and saw a drop in energy (not normal day to day but the gym sessions sort of flattened out). When I added the fat back and lessened the protein count my weight started to drop and the gym energy returned. In another attempt to get the protein in I did so via protein powder (no sugar/no carb brand) and it helped me get closer. A couple months ago I ran out and bought a 50 grams of protein drink from the grocery store. It is 2.5 servings per bottle. I drank half at work that night and within an hour I was as hungry as all get out. With nothing at work, I powered thru that hunger. I didn't put 2 and 2 together until the next night when I drank the second half of that protein drink. Again, within an hour or so, hungry as all get out. I waited a week and tried it again and it was the same. I spaced those drinks out over the next month to month and half. Each time half of the bottle led to hunger that night and some into the next morning. At least 2-3 days per week I was up to and touching the 190-200 grams of protein (and a much better fat to protein ratio). The weight went up a tad, but the day-to-day swings were not as wide. In a month or so I saw a big difference in the gym. The plates per exercise went up. You used UFC as an example, and I will use 'professional bodybuilder' (and I am neither...at 55 both of those ships have sailed). I can use the protein drink with sugar and do a "bulking phase" by getting in the protein and then ditch the protein drink and do a more normal carnivore diet as a 'cutting phase' (not that either of them is a goal of mine). From just a month and a half, for me, and maybe just me, I have found sugar is triggering some hunger. I'm using those grams of sugar to trigger hunger, using the hunger to hit a protein target and using that protein to build muscle (not for aesthetics, but because I have an auto-immune disease that debilitates over time and the more muscle the better I can fight that). Now next week or next month I may find this first month or so was a one-off. But for right now, it seems to be working. I'm rolling with it. LOL Scott

Yes. I was on a submarine for 6 years. We lived on a three shift 18 hour day. Every six hours the shift changes and in time there is no distinction between day and night. Of all the things to do int he services, career submariners have the least life expectancy after retirement. When I got out of the Navy I went to work pouring concrete on dayshift. As soon as the Superintendent found out I could finish concrete (working for my Pop's as a kid). The Superintendent/Foreman moved me to nights to finish concrete. From there, I started 12 hour rotating swing shifts. 30 years later still swinging shifts. And yes, it is not a healthy way to make a living but its the only thing I know. LOL Scott

I too am a true believer in fasting. I think it has played as big a role in my health improvement as anything. Carnivore I think is the main player but thru carnivore I have learned so much more. There is still a ton to learn. I think today is a rib eye that didn't get cooked last night and a turkey breast. I ate last night about 7PM, worked all night and have been in the shop most of the day. Tonight will be an eat, attempt to watch TV but crash soon after getting still. Scott

Yep. My bag is not much more than a liter and it lands between $55k-$57K per bag. I hate to get all conspiracy-theorists and such, but this is why they need us to stay sick. LOL Scott

I'm a huge fan of the weight vest. This is one of those things in life where a few extra dollars can mean a lot. Two, I went sort of big with the plan of starting light and working the weight up as I progressed. I poked the pooch on both. I saved a few dollars on a 40lb. vest. I pulled the first weight bag out and tried to put it back in. It is like they wrapped it in place, did the sewing and the material then shrank over the weight. It took 20 minutes of stretching and prying with a screwdriver to get the one weight back in its pouch. I should have not went cheap. Since I went cheap and could not remove the weights I started off really high at 40lbs. It is quite the load to walk 3.5 miles in a 40lb vest. (Then I was dumb enough to drop on the side of the road for my normal pushups. Not so normal and quite the challenge. LOL) Scott

The NMO/SD is really similar to MS and I agree, no truer words have been spoken, it is a long slow process in either direction. On Rituxin/Rituxamab with a couple weekly doses of Neurontin and Prednisone I have been 'flare up' free. Some basic pain and inflammation. That also was a combination of the weight, the work, the birthdays and having an autoimmune disease. The carnivore diet pretty much removed the pain and inflammation, mostly as the weight came off, but before the biggest part came off. For me, I feel like the Rituxin has been working but I also think I have changed the playing field with carnivore. Almost like Rituxin provided me with the health to play at par and carnivore and the gym got me some better than par. I'm wondering if coming off Rituxin moves the needle back to par, or does the needle move at all. That is my thinking right now. Scott

Maybe I progressed a bit fast, just not sure. But I read something similar and now I wonder if I am in the ravenous stage and the sugar is like a "150 shot of nitrous' on a drag car. Sometimes it is hard to define one item when there are combinations in play. The last month or so I have seen some solid games in the gym. A little muscle growth here and there but the strength gains are rather noticeable. I also wonder if the stress I'm adding is causing my body to call for more nutrients/food. Based on blood glucose I think I'm insulin sensitive now so I would imagine the least little bit of sugar (and it has been so long without) the body is reacting. Again, learning and experimenting and don't really have a lot of answers. Maybe the only answer is that I feel pretty good every day, the energy levels are better than they were a year ago, I am much stronger (if that matters) and I sleep better/wake up better. I think being carnivore is the primary catalyst, but I also think other things factor in as well. As with everything else, time will tell. Scott

I agree. I don't think I am venturing too far off the reservation with a weekly dosing of carbs and sugars. I am also well aware I don't know what triggered my issues and I also am really weary of re-introducing plants/carbs and sugars. With my luck I will manage to re-introduce the very one that sent me down the auto immune path in the first place. Another reason is I am now in conversations with the Neurologist about coming off six-month infusions. I was in a bad place and the infusions got me to a much better place. With carnivore I am in an even better place. Is the better place from Carnivore? the infusions still? the gym? or a combination of the three. I really do not know the answer, but I do know I am so much better now on the combination. I am not much on rocking the boat. My bloodwork suggests I am no longer in immune despair. I am no longer on medicine for pain and inflammation. I'm more energetic than I have been in a lot of years. I'm looking forward to our next conversation. Scott

I have made note of carnivore, fasting and trying to hit protein targets. I have altered the fat content and found pretty much where I need to be. I have also noted I am amazed by the amounts of food other people can eat in one setting. Once I get past a 3/4"-1" rib eye, I'm full and sometimes can manage to eat the other half of my wife's steak, but that can be a stretch. I have tried to hit protein targets as I am getting more and more into lifting at the gym. The past few weeks I have been on a stretch of overtime. I am averaging just a tad over 66 hours per week. I have been using some of the time on nights to pursue my Google degree in Carnivore and my YouTube College of Medicine Certificate with a lot of the metabolic things that come along with the carnivore diet, fasting and lifting weights (with an autoimmune disease tossed in as well). I'm not close to graduating from either Google nor Youtube, but I am working on those degrees. I read a ton on the sugar diet (not that I am interested but more so to read about the effects of sugar). I have read a ton on glucose, glycogen, the liver and the pancreas as well as insulin resistance and insulin sensitivity. Instead of watching other people give their (mostly biased) opinions on studies and medical papers I decided to read theirs and then conduct my own experiments on myself. (Maybe inspired by Nick Norwitz, ??) My first conclusion is that after going without sugar for 13-14 months the least little bit of sugar triggers hunger signals like I have not had in forever. As noted, I am trying to hit protein targets, and I simply can't eat that amount of meat to get to 200 grams of protein. For weight loss and using fat for energy this is a good thing. For weight/muscle gain I don't think I am fueling up as well as I need. I had some ideas and tried to kill two birds with one stone. I bought some of the pre-mixed protein drinks. I tried one, and then waited a week to try another, and then another after the third week. This container has 2.5 servings per bottle and I drank half of it and then 12 hours later the other half. Rockin' Protein - Shamrock Farms It has 20grams of carbohydrates and 11 grams of sugar so I'm getting them at 10 and 6 per serving. Within an hour of each serving I am as hungry as all get out. It does not feel like an old sugar craving as I didn't really have any of those going to carnivore. But I can remember always feeling a little bit hungry. 5-6-7 20oz Mountain Dews and multiple snack cakes thru the day was providing me with the sugar to make my brain say, "I'm hungry again". I am guessing (hypothesizing if this were truly scientific) that by being off sugar/carbs for so long it only takes a very small amount to take me back to "hungry" all over again. (I have found a similar issues with seed oils. I ate them by the buckets before Carnivore and now the least little bit sends me running to the bathroom). The sugar and the carbs have been a tradeoff for appetite and getting in extra protein. My weight fluctuates/swings normally and that has continued. Maybe up a pound or two more but swings back down to where I am averaging around 215. (still 90lbs off my start point on carnivore). I could stand to lose some more weight, maybe 15-20lbs or so, but I am not as concerned with weight loss as of late. Super happy with the 90-95lbs in 14 months. Carnivore is still my way of eating, and as far as food is concerned it is still strict carnivore. Once a week or so I am indulging in a few carbs and a few sugars which triggers some hunger. I get the benefit of the extra protein from the drink but at the same time I can get in one more rib eye due to the hunger it provides. Probably not the best method to trigger hunger, but since I never had cravings, I don't see it being my 'gate-way' drug back to Mountain Dews and Little Debbie Snack cakes. LOL The return? In the past month I can see a difference in my biceps and triceps. And although the aesthetics is not the goal, it is pretty cool to gain a little muscle at 55. The end goal is to gain muscle to offset the natural muscle loss from aging as well as the effects of the auto-immune disease I am trying to reverse with carnivore. The most impressive part so far is the plates I am adding in the gym. I am a lot stronger at 55 than 35. I am not 25 and just out of the service healthy but I am a lot closer to that than I was 14 months ago. And there has been some strides in the last month with "sugar dosing". If I were struggling with weight still, I might not see this as a grand idea but since I am good with my weight right now, I don't see the harm of the occasional sugar spike. (This is similar to a four-year carnivore friend at the gym who eats sweet potatoes on Thursday nights before a big lift on Friday. Really similar concepts). Again, not one of those double-blind studies with a thousand humans as control subjects, just me, and my approach to my own health. Maybe not the best plan, but it is my plan, and for now it is working rather well. babbling on again. Scott

No doubts. I am extremely thankful myself. I think for the human race as a whole we have shown we can survive on just about anything. We can survive on just about every diet, every eating habit, every food choice out there. Most of us have shown whatever path we took it did get us to the point we made the change. Up until that point, especially looking back, I was eating to survive. Once I changed approaches I think now, I am eating to thrive. Two totally different concepts. Scott

I watched that one last night at work. Maybe ignorance is bliss? Or, maybe ignorance is worth billions upon billions of dollars for the major players. I'm leaning toward the latter. Scott