Scott F.

Do not do this at home. I air fried about 6 pounds of beef fat/suet to make a snack bag. This is a horrible idea. It made a pint or more of tallow which is good. The air fried fat tasted absolutely amazing. I was really impressed. The drawback is that regardless the size of the bag it turns out these are single serving portions. I just about had to hide them from myself. LOL Really easy process. Scott

Congrats on the successes. When I adjusted the fat content down (twice, once on purpose as i thought I was smarter than the system and once, I didn't totally recognize I sacrificed fat to hit a gram of protein per pound of body weight target) I gained weight. The first time I was six or so months deep and was using leaner cuts of meat. I didn't think I was missing the fat mark by a bunch but turns out I was actually on a higher protein to moderate fat (moderate at best). The weight fall turned to what I called a 'stall' but the stall started to add a few pounds. At that point success was being determined by having to cinch up my work belt. On the higher protein lesser fat combination, I had to go the opposite direction and let a notch out. Self-inflicted but still somewhat disheartening. The second time I was so intent on hitting a total protein I used some leans to get as much protein in as I could. I had morphed into a OMAD person, was seldom hungry and really struggled to get 200g of protein in a day. As I worked my way up to the protein target the fat content sort of got left out. I was not really keeping up with the weight as a marker but I did notice a notch in the belt and I had gained 8-9 pounds in pretty much no time. I think I am one of those who the higher fat content is a must, maybe even a bit higher than what people would call high fat/moderate protein. Scott

Nice. Another item for 'night shift'. LOL I will check it out tonight. Scott

Me too. I like to see the articles that show what they have done way more than what they plan to do. When I see 'this is what we are going to do' instantly feels like an empty promise but 'we want you to keep shopping here'. Hopefully they lead some other major chains/distributors to do the same. Scott

This is a very sensible approach to easing into carnivore or expanding carnivore toward keto or maybe the keto-vore hybrid approach. I think it could work going in either direction. The guy in the gym who eats sweet potatoes on Thursday nights before his weekly heavy day uses that approach. As far as the gym aspect goes that approach is working extremely well for him. I lifted alongside him week before last and I will leave it at, "I got work to do". To beat the proverbial dead horse, I went into carnivore as a weight loss hack with zero expectations for any health-related improvements unless they stemmed directly from the weight loss. In 6-7 weeks of carnivore I went off semi-daily medicine for pain and inflammation. For me, carnivore was a weight loss hack that happened to have a bonus plan. With that said, I don't see me venturing back toward the carbs and sugars. If I did, and I doubt I do, it would be similar to what I am seeing work/see working for my buddy in the gym. I'm the pot calling the kettle black, as I would not advise a drastic change in diet going into carnivore nor coming out. I'd ease in or ease out, depending on your direction. babbling, but I wonder about the adjustment period from going carnivore to basically straight sugar, all of a sudden? I ask this because I bought a vanilla milkshake type drink once because the cap was blue and I didn't have my glasses. I drink milk on occasion so I don't think the dairy part of the drink had much effect, but the sugar gave me a cleaning out like none other. It was all the descriptive words like powerful, violent, over the fence and for distance, all of the above. How was your first days on the switch? Scott

There are some flavor packets that advertise no sugar/no carbs. I was never big on drinking water And I used the packets to help with water. Food Lion lemonade worked for me. I met a guy who drinks unsweetened tea o the regular but I can’t see the point of tea without sugar. Almost in-American.

Even once people who ate red meat walked around with as much as 14-15 pounds of red meat in their digestive tract as the body can't effectively digest red meat. I thought that was a crock way back when. Couple that with an ounce of carnivore based knowledge and it becomes laughable. Scott

Maybe the difference is a person's end goal, maybe make a mission statement to kick the diet off to which ever path the person chooses. "I want to step on the scale and see a lesser number over the next 90-120 days". "My goal is to lose X amount of pounds" With these two statements probably 99% of all diets are effective. These statements will lead to the 'calories and calories out' conversation and before the definition of calories pops up, we can change it to 'total mass in and total mass out'. This approach makes all diets really close to 100% effective. Next mission statement would be, "I would like to lose X number of pounds and improve my metabolic health at the same time". This wipes out a really large chunk of most diets. They are effective but the metabolic health, which is probably not up to snuff in the first place, will take a further hit as the weight goal is approached or attained'. I can see this approach for someone really big who needs to drop X number of pounds to be able to go under a knee or hip replacement, or similar surgeries. Getting the weight down can be by any means necessary. The plan would be weight comes down, surgery takes place, mobility is returned and then a better meal plan can be coupled with mobility for a healthier life. I can see this being an option for a lot of people. Then maybe the last mission statement would be "I want to improve my metabolic health, and in time drop some weight, and at the same time develop a sustainable long-term way of eating". This narrows the field. And if I added "without the required need of daily supplementation" we get down to the animal-based versions of carnivore and a minimal number of the keto versions with a carb/sugar level fairly low. Over the past three to four months, I have both gained and lost weight on a strict carnivore diet purely based on the mass I am eating, the timing in which I eat even coupled with several 96-hour water fasts. Last week I laid off the eating to hit the protein target, pretty much ate when I was hungry (which turned into OMD, if that) and dropped from 219 to 212 in 7 days. As always, there is some daily fluctuation and four pretty good days in the gym. I also walked a couple days 3.5 miles with at least 100 pushups along the walk. The weeks before that with the same out-put, I crammed 200 grams of protein per day in via the same strict carnivore diet, and I gained 8-9 pounds. I am the only control subject in my study (LOL) but my approach 'will both lose and gain weight dependent on food intake', it has been proven to improve my metabolic health (numerous blood tests from BP, to glucose, to lipid panel, to kidney function, to immunoglobulin/autoimmune response) and I have shown it is completely sustainable for me over time. 100% of all diets will work and 100% of all diets will fail. Diet success is pounds in the short-term, but that success is all too often short-lived. Diets that evolve into sustainable lifestyles is where the true successes land. And with that said, I can see the need and the point of 'losing weight' by any means necessary. Scott

Thoughts and prayers. Scott

It caught me off guard as I drove into work this morning. Of all things, an eating disorder. Scott

I think most of the negativity comes from the name more so than the concept. If it were renamed 'fruit only' diet it would have been better received. When the title is SUGAR DIET and the first images are people with Mountain Dews, snack cakes and potato chips there is automatically a negative connotation. Sort of like carnivores are people eating meat without knives or utensils. We are killing animals, remove the meat by hand and eating it as the blood drips down our chin. True carnivore style. It is still sugar based but it is not like the intent, or the concept is for people to be eating a ton of sugar packets to get thru the day. Going in I looked at carnivore as nothing more than a weight loss hack. Do it for a few weeks, maybe a couple months, drop some weight and then go back to how I always ate. I stumbled upon the health benefits, and all the way to the point of calling BS when I first started watching 'carnivore health benefit videos'. I was like, "What are the odds of a ribeye replacing my pain and inflammation medicine?". I would have bet the farm against it and wound up homeless, healthy, but homeless the same. Scott

Although I am a 'nay-sayer' at heart as I don't believe a lot of stuff til I experience it personally. And along those lines I am not much of a conspiracy theorist when it comes to a lot of the things that swirl in and around carnivore. I am sure Big Pharma and Big Food and Big Tech are not fans of anything that cuts into their revenue stream, and I am sure carnivore would do that over time. Maybe, maybe not. On the radio this morning there was a headline about 'eating disorders' that were predominantly teen girls for a lot of years has now increased amongst teenage boys and into, with a large increase in both men and women in their 30's to 40's. "many Nutritionists as now listing carnivore, ketogenic and other extreme diets as eating disorders". The last statement sort of caught me off guard as I was driving into work. I am guessing that is a push from one of the Big three? Scott

Interesting. Interested. I have higher energy now on carnivore day to day. I have an amazing amount of energy the last day of a 96 hour water fast and it lasts for another couple-three days afterwards. Good luck and interested in your progress. Scott

Thoughts and prayers. Scott

Good luck with what works for you. I'm interested in your progress. Before carnivore when I was eating the dumpster type diet if I ate a lot of dessert coupled with the many Moutain Dews for the day with a couple big snack cakes, all that sugar, I crashed mid-afternoon. Sugar rush followed by the crash. Have you experienced a crash of sorts? Energy level drop offs at certain times of the day? Scott

Followed up on an idea from geezy. I put roast on the smoker this morning. When it was within an hour or so from being ready I dropped it in the crock pot for a couple three hours on low. Turned out really nice. Scott

I pulled my 72K5 out yesterday as the recent rains has kept it stuck in the shop. I rinsed it off and drove it around for a bit. I have to change one more light housing today or tomorrow and I will be ready. This will be my first trip to this event. I don't so much on social media (this is about as far out into the abyss as I wade). I guess it popped up on my son's phone and it is just a few minutes from here. I actually pass it on the way to work. The rain is threatening as of today but the chances of showers have lessened each day this week. Looking forward to it. Scott

Cars & Carnivores Street Festival - Rotary Club of Wake Forest This event is this weekend about forty minutes from here. Going to drag out my 72K5 and check out the cars and the meat vendors. Should be a pretty good time. Scott

This past week I had about 80 hours of night shift in 6 days. Five of them with hardly anything to do and only had one productive night, which was the last, thus missing most of Monday night's 'discussion'. I probably watched videos and then read referenced studies (chunks of them) when they were available. It was 'personally educational'. I work in an industry where 'root cause failure analysis' and identifying the 'single point of failure' are a must and is a really big part of the job. I'm the guy on the production end that has to land with laboratory guidelines and then proof it from the production floor. Babbling, but the most important thing in our lab is the 'control standards' which is the material our samples are tested against for purity, performance and sustainability. As I was reading a lot of these studies and watching the videos I could only help to compare the 'control subjects' of the studies to our 'standards' we use for testing. Our 'standards' are created the same each time with an exact specification which makes me think of the variabilities of the control subjects even in the most sophisticated/complex scientific studies. On this thread, take me, Bob and Meathead. I am guessing we are all white males, between 40 and 60, with a wife and a job. If I went back thru all the threads and read the posts on this forum, as well as the couple three video chats I watched/participated, and if this were a scientific study.....the carnivore diet is 100% effective for all white males between 40 and 60. We all know that is not true, but at the same time that is what the data suggests/implies/indicates. (Geezy, you have one or two more birthdays than the criteria of this study, maybe next time, LOL) All three of us took a much different path to get to 40-60 and that path factors. As I read a lot of these studies I see so much variability. I guess that is why I can get 'overly' interested in everyone's person journey. I believe in the science, I believe in the data. I just think a lot of it can easily be manipulated to say something different. I don't see the sugar diet as being effective for me when I was 325lbs, already eating a dumpster diet, with turning wrenches, dragging hoses and pumps and walking samples to the lab was my only means of exercise. I could have turned 325 into 350 in pretty much no time. I watched several of the sugar diet videos and I did not see one person north of 300 pounds nor did I see any of the transformations from 300lbs to 200lbs. Maybe they are out there, and maybe I will see one. I'm strict carnivore and although my version it good for me, I have found that going strict red meat only is actually better for me as an individual. There is no way I could look across the aisle and say, "Hey, Geezy, red meat/nothing else is the only way". Would he see some benefits? Maybe, maybe not. Could our shared experiences help us (and others) learn? Absolutely. @Miranda has mentioned fasting, I am a big fan for me, and I think it will help with her. Do I know that enough to push the agenda? Nope, not in the least. Again, babbling on, after a 72 hour week long, self-induced education. LOL Hope everyone has a good week. Scott

Welcome. This is a good place to bounce your ideas and experiences around, sometimes just flinging it against the wall to see what sticks. I feel like any approach is welcome here. I watched a read along last night as I was at work, and sometimes they expect me to work. But that is the part of the deal, I work, then get paid. But so it goes. Obviously, we can't roll back time and I'm not pushing carnivore as the end all be all but Bart kay described something really similar, which is similar to Saladini, and he says the answer is to up the proteins and fats to match the amounts of the last of the carbs being eaten. I'm not a doctor nor a scientist, and if it were oxalate dumping, the answer could have been the split between part of your system trying to detox from the very things that are a part of the other half of your diet. I have read the last phases of oxalate dumping is the worst. Maybe you were right there? Who knows? I'm a 'to each his own' guy at heart. If the sugar diet gets you where you need/want to go, then by all means that is your path. As I seen the topic for last night and started reading/watching videos I did not realize it was that big of a thing. There seems to be a lot of people moving in that direction. I don't think it would work for me in the short term, nor the long term. Although I didn't have the cravings and withdrawals form carbs and sugars like a lot of people do when making a sudden change but I have found since carnivore I am somewhat responsive to sugar. I modified my carnivore approach to a high protein/moderate fat diet trying to hit a protein gram per pound number and the higher protein was in excess. I have to assume a lot of the excess protein was converted to sugar, probably more than my body needed to function, so in turn, it was stored. I gained 8-9 pounds in pretty much no time. Granted, my weight fluctuates 2-3-4 pounds daily and I am lifting heavier and more intense, but I doubt even a full pound of that is muscle. I can only imagine if I went all out sugar or loaded carbs again. I would more than likely find a big chunk of the 95 pounds I have lost. It is an interesting approach. Good luck and keep the board posted. Like most approaches, with most people, it is the slight modifications to a way of eating that works best. I am a strict carnivore eater and have not eaten any carbs or sugars in 13 months, however, I do have a glass of milk every so often, and occasionally a piece of cheese on a burger. I have thought about reintroduction of carbs at times but my carnivore approach has morphed into more of a health/metabolic approach than a weight loss endeavor. I'm not the luckiest guy in the world and I feel like whatever carb/vegetable I pick to reintroduce would be the very one that triggers my autoimmune disease and then I go right back down that rabbit hole. For me, that is a pretty big gamble, actually too big. Good luck. I'm interested in the results. Scott

I dropped in a watched a few minutes here and there. I guess, mostly, I didn't realize how big of a thing the sugar diet is for a number of people. The videos on youtube are ever increasing. To each his own, but if a way of eating can be scrutinized for sustainability, the sugar diet has to score rather low. I'm biased but much less sustainable than the carnivore approach. Good conversation on Saladini. I can see where the reintroduction of carbs and some sugars could be beneficial to some, especially someone with elite type sports activity with a really deep need for both quick and sustained energy sources. I can't really see 150-300 carbs every day, but I can see the advantages of using those carbs to move in and out of the lower ends of ketosis. I mentioned before the guy in my gym who has been carnivore for four years but shifted to a carb load one day a week about a year ago. He is strict carnivore six days per week and on Thursdays he eats his normal carnivore meal plus two sweet potatoes. He works out Mon-Tues-Wed, skips Thursday and then does a really hard total body workout on Friday, then off the weekend. I can see where this would aid in athletic performance but falls far short of 300 carbs per day. This is a very interesting conversation for me. Also, good conversation around the ancestral use of fruits and such. They were ready and available only a few weeks out of the year, and at some point I am sure they were preserved or dried and used later in the year. Maybe more available in certain geographic areas than others. That is miniscule in comparison to being shipped all over the world from all over the world to make them readily available 24/7/365 just about everywhere in the world. Hopefully I will be able to join in next week. Scott

I wonder........ When looking across the aisle at someone on the sugar diet do they look back at me on the carnivore diet with the same bewilderment? I will drop by here and there tonight. 5 nights in a row at work with basically nothing to do and on my last night they actually expect productivity. The nerve of an employer to expect something in return. LOL Just kidding. I'd much rather have a lot to do as it will make the night go by faster. The last five nights have been dragging. Should be some good conversation. Scott

Welcome to the forum. This is a great place to not only ask questions but share your experiences. The carnivore way of eating is very individualistic. You and I could eat the exact same thing and at best our results would be similar, but never the same. Everything matters and everything factors. I'm 55. I am always intrigued when people much younger than me try this way of eating. Most people tend to be a bit older. Off the top of my head is that I have been pummeling my body longer so therefore the healing may take longer. I would think the younger the better, but just a thought, no real science to that way of thinking. Day 41 is more than likely still in the adjustment phase. I always preface the following with 'I hate to use these words' but I am pretty sure you are still detoxing and having withdrawals from sugars and carbs. The snacking won't help but the most important thing is that you got back on track. Now try to push thru the cravings and maybe the need to snack will get further and further apart. As far as the energy, and fatigue and even mood go, there can be several factors. Are you getting enough fat? You have eliminated your fuel source by not eating the carbs and sugars. There is the adjustment time with your body switching fuel sources and during that time you must supply the fat. Most people say, 'meats and fats' and that is not the priority. Higher fat/moderate proteins is the best approach. You can count macros thru a number of different apps or if you question a ratio just eat some more butter. You completed the most important step of carnivore and that is the elimination of carbs and sugars, and the next step is to replace them with a new fuel. You could simply not be eating enough during your adjustment period. When we eliminate the carbs and sugars our water content changes, and we will need more water until we dial in our proper hydration. Most people get more than enough salt form the garbage diet prior to carnivore. When completing the elimination phase the sodium level can go down and the electrolytes are no longer in balance. In the early stages of carnivore coming up short on electrolytes can be very easy to do, so much so, most everyone misses that early. I'm 13 months is and have not really found the mental clarity or changes in mood. The closest thing I have found is that when I wake up, I'm wide awake in that split second. My eyes open and my feet hit the floor ready to go. If that counts, I may have experienced some of that type of benefit. If not, then maybe it will come later. Good luck, and welcome. Push thru these early stages and maybe 90 days will not be your ceiling as the benefits (as for me) seem to be continual. Scott

Great results. Congratulations. For most the stool settles itself out as you adjust. It may take some tweaking to find out what works best for you. I don't worry much about being in or out of ketosis except when I am doing a longer fast. A day to day 1.5 seems a little high/deep but maybe not. The few times I checked outside of the fast I was under 1.0 and after three days of fasting as deep as 3.4. I think my blood sugar that day was around 81 which gave me a GKI of around 23 or so. I am nowhere near that day to day. My weight fluctuates as well. Celebrate the 26 pounds and keep moving forward. Scott

pound of ground beef with 5 fried eggs laid on top. I poured the grease over top and then added a couple stabs of butter. Looking down into the bowl it was not the most appealing looking dish, but it sure did taste good. It was a struggle and I had to take a break. I have a little left to finish later tonight. Scott