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Well I can’t say that I feel any different today. In fact I’m a little tired. After I broke my fast yesterday I had plenty of energy and felt good. I worked hard in my barn most of the day and then worked on my Harley until late in the evening. It felt really good. I slept longer than I normally do but I woke up tired and have felt tired all day so far. I don’t have any idea why unless it’s just because I just did too much yesterday and my body just haven’t caught up yet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well I can’t provide any evidence other that my own hair. I’ve never said anything about “never” washing my hair. I’ve just gone one week and then two weeks and it’s been just fine. I suppose if I never washed it you might be right but I don’t intend to do that. I’ve just been experimenting and I’ve found that it isn’t necessary for me to wash my hair everyday like I used to. Now if I’m working out in the heat all day or cleaning and leveling horse stalls in the dusty barn you can bet I’ll be washing my hair regardless of the last time I washed it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have no idea what a flamer is but you sir add absolutely no value to this forum. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I eat as much salt as tastes good to me and when I know I’m going to be outside in the heat all day working I’ll add salt to my water. It wasn’t very long into my carnivore lifestyle that my blood pressure got so low that my cardiologist took me off of my medication. Excessive sodium intake can lead to fluid retention and increased blood volume, thereby raising blood pressure. But…on carnivore we don’t retain fluids but instead tend to flush fluids out because we don’t have carbs or fiber to retain them. Also as carnivores we really aren’t getting as much sodium as we might think. Because we are no longer eating a bunch of highly processed foods our sodium levels can be lower. Highly processed foods are loaded with sodium. Now here are some TCT’s that studied the effects of sodium in our diets. Bear in mind these aren’t conducted on carnivores. Randomized controlled trials (i) Midgley et al (1996)[15] In a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials covering 56 trials with 3,505 participants, it was found that salt reduction had no benefit for people with normal blood pressure and but had a small benefit for older people with high blood pressure (3.7 mm Hg for systolic and 0.9 mm Hg for diastolic). The authors concluded that evidence does not support universal salt restriction recommendations. (ii) Sacks et al (2001)[16] In this study, a total of 412 participants were randomly assigned to eat either a control diet typical of intake in the United States or the DASH diet. Within the assigned diet, participants ate foods with high, intermediate, and low levels of sodium for 30 consecutive days each. On the standard American diet: • reducing the sodium intake from high to intermediate levels reducing the systolic blood pressure by 2.1 mm Hg • reducing the sodium intake from intermediate level to low level causing an additional reduction of 4.6 mm Hg On the DASH diet: • reducing the sodium intake from high to intermediate levels reducing the systolic blood pressure by 1.3 mm Hg • reducing the sodium intake from intermediate level to low level causing an additional reduction of 1.7 mm Hg. The finding of this study is often quoted in support of low sodium intake advice by authorities. (iii) Adler et al (2014)[17] In this meta-analysis of 8 randomized controlled trials with 7,284 participants, the authors found that a reduction in salt consumption led to a small reduction in blood pressure after 6 months. In particular, for people with normal blood pressure, there was a reduction of 2.32 mm Hg for systolic and 0.8 for diastolic. For people with high blood pressure, there was a reduction of 4.14mm Hg for systolic but no difference in diastolic blood pressure. There was no evidence of a reduction in all-cause mortality. There was weak evidence of cardiovascular benefits but these findings were inconclusive and were driven by a single trial among retirement home residents. (iv) Khan et al (2019)[18] This study is a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials (RCTs) and meta-analyses of RCTs that assessed the effects of nutritional supplements or dietary interventions on all-cause mortality or cardiovascular outcomes, such as death, myocardial infarction, stroke, and coronary heart disease. The authors concluded that there was moderate-certainty evidence that reduced salt intake decreased the risk for all-cause mortality in people with normal blood pressure and cardiovascular mortality in people with high blood pressure. The authors also noted a limitation of the study is the suboptimal quality and certainty of evidence. Epidemiological studies (i) O’Donnell et al (2014)[19] In a study involving 101,945 participants in 17 countries, sodium intake was estimated from urine samples and the composite outcome of death and major cardiovascular events were followed up after 3.7 years. It was found that an estimated sodium intake between 3 and 6 g per day was associated with a lower risk of death and cardiovascular events than was either a higher or lower estimated level of intake. This range of sodium intake is 2 to 4 times what the Institute of Medicine recommends. (ii) Mente et al (2016)[20] In a pooled analysis of studies comprising 133,118 from 49 countries, the authors examined the relationship between urinary sodium excretion (a proxy for sodium intake) and the composite outcome of death and major cardiovascular disease events over a median of 4.2 years and blood pressure. The main findings of the study are: • For people with high blood pressure, consuming sodium of more than 7g a day or less than 3g a day were both associated with an increased risk of death and cardiovascular disease compared to people consuming from 4 to 5 grams a day • For people with normal blood pressure, consuming sodium of more than 7g a day was not associated with an increased risk of death and cardiovascular disease, but consuming sodium of less than 3g a day was associated with a significantly increased risk of death and cardiovascular disease. • Furthermore, irrespective of blood pressure status, people consuming less sodium (7g a day). In layman’s terms, according to this study: • Whether you have or don’t have high blood pressure, consuming too little salt (less than 3 grams of sodium a day or less than 1⅓ teaspoon of salt a day) increases your risk of death and cardiovascular diseases • If you have normal blood pressure, consuming a lot of sodium (more than 7g a day or more than 3 teaspoons of salt a day) doesn’t seem to do you any harm • If you have high blood pressure, it’s better to limit sodium consumption to 4 to 5 grams a day or about 2 teaspoons of salt a day. This is double the current salt intake recommendation. (iii) O’Donnell et al (2020)[21] In a comprehensive review of evidence to date, the authors contend that current evidence suggests that most of the world’s population consumes a moderate amount of sodium (2.3g – 4.6g/day or 1–2 teaspoons/day). This level of consumption is not associated with increased cardiovascular risk and the risk of cardiovascular disease only increases when sodium intakes exceed 5 g/day. (iv) Messerli (2021)[22] In this large-scale epidemiological study, the authors examined the relation between sodium intake and life expectancy as well as survival in 181 countries worldwide. Contrary to the advice from health authorities and organizations worldwide, they found a positive correlation between sodium intake and life expectancy at birth and at age of 60. In particular, there was an increase of 2.6 years of healthy life expectancy at birth and an additional 0.3 years at the age of 60 for each additional gram of daily sodium intake. In addition, all-cause mortality was found to be inversely correlated with sodium intake with 131 fewer deaths per each additional gram of daily sodium intake. In a sensitivity analysis restricted to 46 countries in the highest income class, sodium intake continued to correlate positively with healthy life expectancy at birth (an increase of 3.4 years of healthy life expectancy at birth for each additional gram of daily sodium intake) and all-cause mortality (168 fewer deaths for each additional gram of daily sodium intake). Summary of evidence In summary, in randomized controlled trials, the reduction of sodium intake is found to modestly lower blood pressure from 1.3 to 4.6 mmHg. This is a negligible impact in the whole scheme of things, for example when high blood pressure is from 140 mmHg and above. However, there is no strong evidence indicating that lowering salt intake leads to a decrease in mortality and cardiovascular risks. In epidemiological studies, overall findings indicate that 3 to 6g of sodium a day is positively associated with better health outcomes. This level of sodium consumption, however, is 2 to 4 times the currently recommended level. Also, note that due to the observational nature of epidemiological studies, no causality can be proven. At best, the totality of evidence suggests that for people with high blood pressure, there is some benefit in maintaining a moderate salt consumption. As for the general population, there is no strong evidence suggesting that they should limit their salt consumption. In my view, it is pretty reckless to universally recommend over 6 billion people to limit salt consumption on such flimsy evidence which is mostly centered around a single trial of 412 people over a 30-day period. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Zero evidence? Lol. Our own experience is our evidence. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

But your IP Address shows you are in New York, New York. I’ve been to Wyoming several times and have never come across anyone like you from there. New York must have rubbed off on you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well you like to prove that you are a jerk every day on here. You have proven that you know very little about carnivore and go out of your way to insult other members on here. I guess it’s just a New York thing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

And you can make your own. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Maybe so but it hasn’t been my experience so far. My two weeks is up today so I will be washing my hair to tonight. Again, I wonder if the type of water makes any difference. I also wonder if the length of the hair matters too. I keep my hair fairly short. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’d like to try it some day. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I haven’t “avoided” anything. My answer was I looked them and found nothing that bothered me. But since you are too lazy to look them up yourself I do the work for you. Xantum gum is a thickener and stabilizer. Natural flavors can are a flavor enhancer that can be derived from plants, animals or fruits. It can also have chemicals in it. In this case we don’t know what they are using for a natural flavoring. Nisin is an anti bacterial peptide used as a preservative. Nothing in that bothers me and I’ve done great eating those. Now, when are you going to answer my question, what danger zone? and you didn’t answer my Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah the strips are not very accurate because they can only measure excess ketones that are being expelled not what’s in your system or what’s being used. The meters are better but they are only measuring what’s in your blood stream at that particular time. Useful but only to a degree. My energy levels were very good. In fact my energy levels help me want to do more and when doing more I didn’t get hungry so it worked well for me. I had to break my fast today though. I was getting light headed and almost passed out a couple of times. I was doing some work that required a bunch of bending over and getting back up it really hot to me. The blood just wasn’t getting to my head quick enough when I straightened up. Actually hit my knees one time. I figured it was time to eat something.

It’s the ketones. It’s the only energy source you have now. I’m on the back end of a 48 hour fast. I haven’t decided if I want to go 72 hours yet or not. I’ll just play it by ear and see how I feel tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I agree with him on eating mushrooms. They are not necessary for proper nutrition and add nothing beneficial to the body. Someone eating a keto diet can eat them if they choose because keto is all about the carb counting so as long as go over the carb limit they are ok. As a carnivore I will not eat vegetables because they provide nothing nutritional or bio available for my body. I can get all of the nutrition I need from meat. I will on occasion though indulge in one fruit and that’s jalapeños. Gotta have my bacon wrapped poppers every once in awhile. My only cheat. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

From a carnivore standpoint you are correct. I like mushrooms but I won’t eat them anymore. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes it contains histamines but if you don’t have a histamine intolerance it’s no big deal. Histamine intolerance may be the result of a gut flora imbalance? One of the things that carnivore helps is realigning of our gut biome. So given time those with an intolerance may be able to slowly reintroduce histamine foods back into their diet. Those that have a histamine intolerance find that many foods can cause a reaction m. Chicken, pork and aged beef can be bothersome to those who are intolerant. I’m fortunate that I don’t have a histamine intolerance so I can eat anything and I use a lot of bone broth in my diet. It is packed with so many nutrients that it would be a shame to have to give it up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What danger zone are you talking about? Actually I looked all that up and I’m in no danger zone. I have been extremely successful eating as a carnivore. I have cured or reversed over 16 different things in my body including reversing heart disease and getting off all medications. Cured Crohn’s disease and IBS. I’ve gone from 225 pounds down to 162 pounds and I’m maintaining that with no issues. Whereas I couldn’t walk 100 yards unsupported I am now walking 5 miles briskly with no effort. Yeah, I think I’m doing just fine. lol! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This is true but as I stated before when we only eat fat and meat it changes our or bodies smell. I’m not saying that we won’t stink at all given enough time but it is amazing that our odor completely changes. If I forget to put on deodorant for the day it’s no big deal. No BO but I wouldn’t go any longer than that. Lol. Now tomorrow with be the end of my two week experiment with just rinsing my hair under water a massaging my scalp and so far it’s been a surprising success. My hair is not greasy at all. It’s soft and looks clean. My scalp feels great and has no smell whatsoever. I’ll wash it tomorrow but I may try for three weeks next time. I just wonder if my water could be making a difference? I’m on a well and I have a soft water system. I’d be curious to hear the results from someone who is on city water ghats not filtered or soft. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Bacon is meat candy. I am not a Jew under rabbinical law so I can eat whatever I want thank God for the new covenant. There are too many forbidden foods that I eat that wouldn’t be allowed as a Jew. 1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; 5 for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer. A Good Minister's Discipline (1 Timothy 4:1, NASB) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Quit coffee and went to tea after starting carnivore 660 days ago and then a year ago I quit tea. It’s amazing that it’s easy to get up in the morning and not need a stimulant to get going. It’s really freeing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Cream cheese is good on bacon as well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Foolishness and ignorance has nothing to do with it. It takes a pretty ignorant mind to think that way. It boils down to equipment and preferences. I don’t own a dehydrator and don’t have plans to buy one anytime soon. I hate crispy bacon. I much prefer mine chewy and not overcooked. I haven’t tried dehydrated bacon jerky but if I had a dehydrator I’d certainly give it a try. If it’s anything like oven bacon I’m sure I’d hate it. Oven bacon was how they cooked it in the Army and I couldn’t stand it. I’ll stick with pan frying mine. It comes out chewy and has a great flavor fried in its own fat. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Actually that sounds like something worth looking into. Thanks for that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Oh my GP loves my results but he hates the fact that I eat a high fat diet. He sees the good results of my blood work but focuses on the (supposedly) high LDL. He just can’t get past the LDL to see how carnivore has benefited me. On the other hand, my cardiologist loves everything about what I’m doing and supports me. Go figure. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk