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I think the two words can be differentiated by time. I'm not quite 11 months in and a lot of the time I still consider it a carnivore diet. At some point I will call it a lifestyle. I think that measurement of time is different for everyone. At the same time, I don't like using the word diet. I think all diets work for a time and then they all fail within time. It is almost a bad word, but it sort of fits. Great topic. Scott

First of all, thank U for adding me to your prayer list, I have prayed for you as well after hearing your journey I am taking high quality Magnesium Taurate, and the other a mixture of Taurate, Glycinate, and Malate, one cap of each before bedtime, all supposed to be the best for the heart from what I’ve read.. I am currently not taking potassium except in a water that is enhanced with minerals and electrolytes which I just started drinking instead of the Rambler carbonated mineral water I was drinking. Thanks for the warning on potassium, please which electrolyte supplement were U when it got so high, I want to avoid that one?? Lastly, I quit dairy yesterday for awhile except butter and some heavy cream, and seem to feel a difference already, time will tell, amen? Thanks again for responding and for your insight and input, U are a blessing at this time I’m in! When I heard U talking about your ill experience specifically with the Metoprolol, I was Amazed to say the least because I was going thru the EXACT same thing at that very time and still am!! I showed my wife Vanessa your experience and she also was amazed at how God put that in my face (via Kerry) at that very time! I dont Know if U can see it, but another fellow here said he is also going thru the same thing with the Metoprolol, Wow! Blessings Geoff, all input is welcome any time! Lord willing, I may be interviewed by Dave Mac someday too, when I have enough to report!

I have been watching Dr. Bikman videos as of late. One of the newest things I have learned is that it is more important on how you come out of the fast than it is to measure the length of the fast. Most lead off with I fasted XX amount of hours. But if you come out of the fast and eat like a horse (or two horses like I did) to sometimes overcompensate for not eating, it can not give the benefits one would think. During the fast the benefits are there but there can be some losses on the back end. I would think the 24 hour fast, or eating OMAD, consistently will keep one from overcompensating during your eating window as it becomes habit. Doing a 24 hour fast and then eating twice the next day may lean toward overcompensating. I would think if one did a 24 hour fast to get all the benefits the food intake to break the fast must be minimal on the day after. Simply not sure. I'm just shy of 11 months in and I can only speak to my experiences. I had my best over-all results from carnivore when it morphed into eating about once per day. I would occasionally snack on some bacon or a left over burger, but that snack could push me past 24 hours the next day. With that, 24-hour fasting on a somewhat regular basis would be just as beneficial, maybe even better because it probably more sustainable. Again, this is seeing thing thru my lens. Might not hit the mark. Scott

I don't try to dumb down everything, but I like his conversations because he can put it out without it being a such a super high level you need a handful of degrees to keep up. Big fan. Scott

Yes, Dr Bikman is firmly on the list of 'The Good Guys'

wonder what would have happened with a shorter fast, say just 24 hours? I will probably try that one day.

I have been watching a number of his videos as of late. Really interesting and really informative. Scott

combined before and after. I was down around 213-214 a month or so ago when I started trying to hit the ideal protein target. My weight went up around 4-5 pounds. The 96-hour fast dropped 7 but then as I started eating again to hit that amount, I jumped up three or four pounds quickly. I guess there is a net loss in there somewhere, but I track daily and most days a couple three times per day. I approximate as I think I ate too much too soon coming out of the fast. One, I had some stool issues and two, my body was probably waiting to store whatever came down the pipe and I obliged by sending in a lot of food, maybe even more than I would have eaten if I hadn't fasted. Sort of overcompensation. I am sure that might even be a pound or two of the 8-9 I mentioned. Couple that with I refueled with moderate fat and high protein. Not a great combination. I think the 8-9lbs is what I ate, when I ate it and how the amounts affected the breaking of the fast. Just for numbers as I don't count calories, but if I eat 2000 calories a day and then fast for a day I am 2000 in deficit for those two days. But if I come out of the fast and eat 3000 and overcompensate for three days, I'm now in surplus. I think I still got all the benefits from the fast from autophagy, ketones, growth hormones and stem cells but I gained some weight on the back end. I feel like I couldn't see the forest with all the trees in the way. LOL Scott

is this after your fast?

Yep. It is pretty straight forward. I didn't really have an energy problem, but the fat content was low. When the protein is that much (and I am not sure what the number is for everyone) and the fat content is too low gluconeogenesis can happen. The "extra" protein is turned to sugar and some of that sugar will be used for energy (probably why I didn't see the energy drop with the lesser fat content) but parts of that sugar will be stored as fat. (most likely why I gained 8-9 pounds over the month or so I have been trying to hit the protein per pound target). Hitting the target is doable for some if you have the eating capacity to eat X amount of protein and then still ensure the fat content is a bit higher than that X amount of protein. I zoned in on hitting the protein target and struggled with eating that much food. I sacrificed some fat content trying to get there. Energy level was fine, got a tad bigger and some stronger but the down side was 8-9lbs re-gained. It is not the end of the world but re-gaining sucks. Scott

Excellent Scott.

Our Lord places us where He needs us when we are in need. What magnesium are you taking. I ask because there are so many different kinds of magnesium and some are not absorbable. Be very careful of the potassium. I was taking an electrolyte supplement and about six months into my carnivore journey I had a blood test and my potassium levels were into the danger zone. Bad enough for a normal person but more so for someone who has heart disease. Too much potassium can cause the heart to stop. Dairy is a very addictive substance for me as well. I try to moderate it as much as possible but sometimes it gets the better of me and I have to take a month off of it. I will be putting you on my prayer list. May God bless you.

The last paragraph is absolutely golden. I have only been on Carnivore for just shy of 11 months. I have some bloodwork that says I am healthier. I have stopped taking some medicines that were needed prior to carnivore. I have lost a bunch of weight with minimal effort. And above all that I know I feel better than I did 11 months ago. Will this current way of eating prolong my life, maybe, maybe not, but from this point to that point I feel like I will feel better than if I had stayed my previous course. I also agree with the validity of some studies which are based on questionnaires and unfounded comments. I think that happens on both sides of any debate. Most of the time the funding plays too big of a role in how a study ends up. We had this very conversation at work last week. I was in the minority with our Engineers and science crowd. A couple threw some analogies on me from their viewpoint so I tossed this one back out there as we talked carnivore vs. non-carnivore. If I tie a brick to your foot and push you in deep water, you will struggle to stay afloat. If I tie a second brick to your foot you will submerge, fight like mad to get some air, submerge and fight your way up for the next breath. Most everything gives to 'time under tension'. If we have problems we put for the effort and a certain amount of effort over a certain amount of time can solve a problem. Time under tension. Works both in a positive light and in a negative light. Time under tension is the key to most everything we do, If that first brick is the dumpster trash diet the bodily is greatly affected, and if that second brick is the amount of time a person ate the trash diet that is time under tension. Then, I hand you an ink pen and you sink to the bottom and drown. Can I say based on my current study if you hold an ink pen while swimming you will drown? A lot of studies will not factor that into studies so either side can be right. One group can say the time under tension caused him to drown and the other group can actually say an ink pen while swimming will indeed cause drowning. And whatever side spends the most money is what the general public is then fed. Funny how science can work sometimes. Scott

I can’t eat bird without lots of butter.

why chicken?? Im gonna eat as much beef as I can and if that is not enough Ill use protein powder to make up the difference. And if I don't have enough energy Ill add butter until I do. Should be pretty straight forward.

I am in the midst of seeing how it works for me. I have struggled/am struggling to get to 200 grams of protein as that is just a lot of food for me to eat. When I use leaner cuts like chicken breasts, my fat content is not where it needs to be. Same thing if I use a protein shake to hit that number. Off the top of my head, I thought my fat content was sufficient but after further review, not so much. If you can eat the total amount to keep the fat higher and the protein moderate and still hit the gram per pound rate, more power to you. I can hardly hit the target with a lesser amount of fat, I am almost positive I can't hit the target and the fat content be enough. For me, I gained weight. Between 8-9lbs over a month or so. Even missing on the proteins, I was close, I am stronger and certain looks in the mirror I am growing/hypertrophy. So, for me not hitting 1 gram per pound is not going to be the end of the world. Maybe I get stronger and grow more if I consistently hit 200 grams of protein per day, but I doubt I will be Mr. Olympia/Mr. Universe so, again, for me, I think I can scale back the protein to make room for the fat and still make some progress. I am not sure there is a 'best of both worlds', and thus far I am finding I need to find something in the middle. Once I adjust and feel like my fat content is up front I will try to eat a little more at the correct ratio (or closer than I am now) but that tasks looks daunting. I think this may end up being very individualistic. Scott

What do you guys think about shooting for 1gr of protein per "ideal" body weight. And the rest with fat to hover around and just below my daily energy expenditure?

Thanks for the reply, I did get off the med in about a 2 wk span by my own choice and I had to take 1/4 of the reg dosage because heart was beating around 40bpm, tho the doc at the ER and also my Cardiologist both said don’t have to, my Cardiologist even said he’d like to know where I heard that because he was totally clueless about it! Anyway I’ve been totally off it for almost a week and gonna have to stay off.. I’ve been praying Geoff to get off the med for some time now and am looking to my Lord and Savior Jesus by Whose stripes I am healed! I am and have been taking a good magnesium supplement for the heart and was taking potassium also but neither have corrected the very irregular beat and palpitations.. I asked about dairy because I’ve been doing cottage cheese, sour cream straight out the container, and for a week or so was drinking A2 milk because I Love and crave dairy on Carnivore, and I’m wondering if the carbs, little as they may be, maybe be affecting me.. So I’m getting off dairy for awhile Lord willing! And I do quite a bit of butter also and may keep doing that unless I decide to try the Lion diet like my friend Dante Ferrigno.. Thanks again Geoff, I believe it was a God thing that I saw your video with Kerry at this time! Any further input is welcome!

Agreed. I like the formatting. It is almost like a message board forum on paper. I think it will also help some people who may struggle with "variety" when trying to go carnivore. It breaks down the 'minimal impact non-carnivore' type foods. Again, a solid way to spend $5. LOL Scott

Im leafing through my copy, and I have to say that it is a well thought out book. Each "chapter" is barely a page long, with information that is to-the-point. I am seeing this as a good reminder for myself, but more so, a great tool to get others on board with this way of eating. Most people (especially malnourished people on a western diet) have minimal attention span, and marginal reasoning capabilities. It is obvious that this book is intentionally written to be as easy to understand as possible, without talking "down" to the reader. I honestly find it brilliant, and do recommend it. Best five bucks I have spent in a while!

You can DEFINITELY eat that in a year. Some days you might eat less, but then again, when you have a barbecue and have people over, a bit more will go. I find it evens itself out in our house. If you arent cutting it up yourself, cut&wrap fees are usually around a dollar a pound (and UP) so that is a big jump to the price at the end. I dont think 7.63/lb is bad at all! Sure can be miserable sometimes scaring up that much free cash all at once to put in the freezer, but I have to think of it like "theres our food for the year" I hardly go to the grocery store anymore.

I usually have some pickled quail eggs in the fridge. Great little snacks.

Articles like this just tick me off. They don’t detail the study so there’s no way of knowing how it was conducted or what biases there may be and most of those “studies” are far from scientific. Then the article, like so many of them, puts out some positive information but turns right around and has to put out a caveat of lies. Gee, let’s not bother to actually show the real studies that show that cholesterol isn’t a factor in cardiovascular health and that meat is so nutritionally dense that we get all of the nutrients we need for proper health. None of us are guaranteed a certain amount of days Yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. James 4:14 ESV So teach us to number our days that we may get a heart of wisdom. Psalm 90:12 ESV What’s important is that we fuel our bodies with the most nutritious food possible and refrain from eating anything that we shouldn’t so that we can obtain optimal heath and our bodies will take care of everything else. I have no idea if by eating carnivore that I will live longer, there may just be too much damage, but I do know how good I feel and I will enjoy what life I have left feeling good. Beats being miserable. When I started being a carnivore I was 66 years old and felt like I was 86 just waiting to die in misery. Today I’m 68 and feel like I’m 48 with a life and future ahead of me.

If you’re interested get with Bob and have him interview you. Im sure Kerry Mann would like to interview you as well. you can contact him at *****@*****.tld Then there’s Dave Mac. He’s always looking to interview people. *****@*****.tld

I don’t think that’s high at all for what you are getting. We raise our own but we have to count in the feed that goes into them. My wife keeps track of that but I don’t want to know what it is, Ain’t none of it cheap but like you said, you know what you’re getting. I eat more than a pound a day so that would last me a year.