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I actually did some reading in this book this morning. And it's very fascinating. For example... "No one knew then, and as far as I know, no one knows with certainty now. Some patients can lose weight while eating 2 lbs of meat at each meal, three times a day. It depends on the individual. Some can eat much more than others, and not gain. We heard of a woman down in Tierra del Fuego who, if she could get it, could demolish a whole 12 LB goose at one sitting. Eskimos gorge themselves on walrus meat after a successful hunt, and yet the Eskimo is rarely obese. He has the biological trait of a fat looking face, and this, with his bulky clothes, gives a mistaken impression of his body weight. Our old time trappers and the West devoured enormous quantities of Buffalo hump and tongue and still kept lean. There may be an upper level of meat intake where no one can lose, but I have never found it." This is similar to Dr. Ken Berry's claim that you can eat all the beef, butter, bacon, and eggs you want and try as you may, you won't gain weight. There are also some carnivores claiming to eat 5000 calories or more a day of nothing but fatty meat. My weight fluctuates a few pounds, which I think is normal. I've never set out to challenge the idea by gorging myself on meat, lol. Another interesting quote follows. You've heard me say on here and in Dr. Kiltz's Mighty Tribe that when I eliminated dairy and started skimping on the fat, I suffered from diarrhea. But when I added back butter, started eating the animal fat, and reintroduced cheese, my stools returned to normal. Well, check out this quote.... "Then Andersen was put on just the meat he liked and Stefansson, to his alarm, was put on only the leanest meat possible to obtain. This was because DuBois had been told of a previous experience to Stefansson had had in the Arctic. The fall migration of Caribou had been missed. The animals on their return in the spring had exhausted their supply of fat. In spite of the caches groaning with lean meat starvation stalked the camp. Weakness, protuberant abdomens, and diarrhea developed. Access to fat saved their lives. This report had likewise been greeted with skepticism, so Stefansson was asked to start off the experiment with lean meat alone. Within two days he had diarrhea and a feeling of baffling and discomfort. Allowing him to eat fat again cleared up the symptoms in three days, and the experiment went on." The experiences of Stefansson mirrors my own almost exactly. And then for a little humor.... "It's a strange fact that even if a patient's life is imperiled by overweight their loving kin will continue to stuff them with lethal tidbits, if they can get away with it." So true, lol 😄

I'm a simple man, lol. A little seasoning and a sprinkle of shredded cheese and this was my breakfast.

High school weight (senior year) can be a good goal, IF you were not overweight in high school. Sometimes I was, and sometimes I wasn't. I can remember being a chunky kid, and leaning towards the obese in junior high. The first time I dieted was in 8th grade, by eliminating diet coke and candy. I really took control of my health in my between my junior and senior years though, because for some reason, out of the blue, I suddenly gained some popularity and attention from girls. After high school I fattened up again. Then in 1996 when I was 20, I read Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution and took it all back off, and even got down to my lowest of 162. I am currently 175 which was my initial goal. I now look at 165 as my new goal but I am honestly happy with where I am at so I am not working too hard anymore. I'm just enjoying my healthy 90/7/3 (carnivore/ketovore/animal-based) life. But in early 2024 I think I am going to double down on my efforts and go strict, maybe even lion diet for 30 days or more. I do think that I am stronger and maybe have more muscle today than I did as a high school senior, from the little working out that I do, and lifting heavy things as part of the tile trade that I work in. Since muscle weights more than fat, getting as low as my exact high school weight might actually translate to less fat than I had then. Today's 170 might be the equivalent of 18 year old me's 165.

View File Strong Medicine by Dr. Blake Donaldson, MD A doctor’s successful fight against two of mankind’s most common afflictions—overweight, with its six attendant dangerous diseases, and allergy. Dr. Donaldson went to medical school in the late 1800s and practiced medicine in New York until the mid-1900s. First published in 1961, Strong Medicine by Dr. Blake F. Donaldson is a diet book supporting a meat-only diet. Dr. Donaldson had very good success treating overweight people with a diet where up to 24oz. of fatty meat was prescribed daily. His general recommendation was 6 oz of lean meat combined with 2 oz of visible fat three times per day from ruminant animals only, such as lamb or beef. His philosophy comes from the idea: “During the millions of years that our ancestors lived by hunting, every weakling who could not maintain perfect health on fresh fat meat and water was bred out.” A fascinating read for anyone interested in diet and health! Submitter Bob Submitted 12/30/2023 Category Books  

View File What Must I Do to Get Well? by Elma Stuart This is the 25th edition of the book that was originally publishes in the 1880's by Elma Stuart. The book is about Elma’s personal experience of curing her chronic diseases by adopting a diet of only meat and water as prescribed by Dr. James Henry Salisbury. It was observed to help everything from diabetes to epilepsy to rheumatism to gout to migraines to insomnia to asthma to cancer. Elma was bedridden for 9 years with what today would be labeled Fibromyalgia or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. She went to 43 doctors but none of their recommendations ever did anything for her. She then learned about Dr. Salisbury’s diet through an ad in her local newspaper and ordered his book, The Relation of Alimentation and Disease. Elma says it took her about a year on Dr. Salisbury’s all-meat diet to regain her health. She continued to eat nothing but meat and hot water for over a decade by the time this edition was published. Submitter Bob Submitted 12/30/2023 Category Books  

Awesome! 🙌 Keep doing what you are doing! 🙂

There is admittedly some mixed signals when it comes to calories. When someone is starting out, we don't want them fixated on calories. Just eat a proper human diet, 3 meals a day until you are comfortably stuffed (but not painfully stuffed) with no snacking in-between. In time, your proper hunger signals will start working properly. With carnivore or strict keto, the food you eat is satiating. Before long, you might quite naturally and without much effort move into an intermittent fasting eating schedule, eating the same amount of food, or just about, across 2 meals instead of three. This gives your body more time to break down and use up those nutrients and energy. But calories is still a metric that can be referenced. For example, I am 2 meals a day. This works for me most of the time but I occasionally have a major hunger day and I will have a big breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and I might be heavier on the scale the next day as a result. If I have thirsty days and drink a lot, same thing. If I eat and then go to sleep, definitely. My weight has been oscillating rather wildly between 174 and 177 for the last month+ and my progress has stalled. I've stalled before and I know just to wait it out. If I get tired of waiting I will do an extended fast. Currently I think I am stalling because it's the dark days of winter and I am not as active as I usually am. BUT... one thing I do notice is that even during a stall I might drop a notch on my belt, etc. I think that when stalls are happening, the body is working on other things such as healing and body recomposition. Then, when those tasks are done, it returns to weight loss and I will have another sudden drop. And that is they way it is for me. Drop. Stop. Drop. Stop. Slight gain. Stop. Drop. Up. Down. Down. Up. Plateau. Down. Up. lol 😄

I personally haven't... yet. But I have only just recently started making and using chaffles. A quick web search though says they can be stored in the fridge up to 5 days, and can be frozen as well... https://www.bing.com/search?q=refridgerate+or+freeze+chaffles

You could do a no-bun burger, with a patty on the bottom, topped with bacon, and an over-easy egg on top. The beef pattie can be used to wipe up the valuable yolk as it runs after breaking into it. Add some salt, seasoning, or cheese to taste. Alternatively, you could make a "power bowl". Cook your bacon and break it into smaller pieces ahead of time. Chop up the ground beef like you were going to make tacos. Don't drain the beef fat but add the bacon and some eggs into the mix and start stirring it around so everything gets mixed together. Salt and season or cheese to taste. Wrap any of the above in a large lettuce leaf and you will still be keto. Then you might be able to pick it up with your hands and add a little avacado mayo.

Our friend @Steven2023 has said he makes his own sausages. I don't know how or what he uses though. I tagged him so maybe he'll chime in when he can.

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Welcome aboard @drysideshooter - It's a pleasure to meet you. I have Dr. Baker's book sitting right here (The Carnivore Diet) but I haven't read it yet. Dr. Berry was my introduction to carnivore. Since then, I have read his book "Lies My Doctor Told Me" which is a good read. I'm currently trying out Audible. It's nice in that it helps me consume books, but then I want the physical copy because I can't go back and reference something because I have no idea what the timestamp was when I heard it, lol. I just finished this on Audible. It was an amazing book. I also just finished "Kicking Ass After 50" by Ken Berry and Zane Griggs. It was also fantastic. This one was neat because the Audible version has a lot of supplementary dialog between Ken and Zane that isn't in the written copy. And today I started on "Brain Energy".

I didn't go out in December, so I didn't have my shot of bourbon on the first Tuesday of this month. This depends on how much alcohol you had. But the video is right. In fact, the body will metabolize alcohol for energy even before carbohydrates. I don't know how long it takes to metabolize the alcohol and return to ketosis. Probably at least as long as you are feeling it's effects, and probably a little longer.

If it was a chicken breast, those are definitely drier than the dark meat. You have to cook it until there is no raw in the middle and then pull it immediately. Keep it on too long and it dries out. Oh wow does that look fantastic!

Yes, I completely agree. It was the same with me. I was a yo-yo dieter, on and off keto for most of my adult life. Then as new medical issues and conditions started to pop up, that's when I knew I had to make a change and make it permanent, and hope it wasn't "too late". Fortunately, besides my kidneys, everything else has gone away almost like magic.

I've lost 50 lbs and am down to my last 10. And boy are they not wanting to let go, lol. So I understand 🙂 I like Carb Manager (and before that I used LoseIt). I get lazy about tracking after a while because my eating pattern and what I eat is pretty consistent from day to day, so it gets redundant, lol.

That's awesome! I've never been able to count my abs. Just my flab, lol 😄

Same here @Sherry & @Geezy. I'm still looked at like I am a little bit crazy, lol, even though I have lost 50 pounds and have the sustained energy to do anything. My wife boasts that she "can eat whatever she wants" but is on a zillion pills and after work is glued to the chair. She always played short-order cook for my son, making him something special that he would eat that was different from what the other three of us were having. Now this kid subsists completely on cereal, spaghetti, Slim Jim's, and Wendy's cheeseburgers plain with meat and cheese and bun only. At least he gets some meat, and he will have some fruit occasionally. I was really trying to set the example for my daughter who is morbidly obese. She pays attention once in a while, and sometimes I think I am making some headway. I watch carnivore videos in front of her all the time and she does take notice sometimes. But she is addicted to the standard American diet, and makes claims that she has mental issues and that "food is her comfort". She's not a fan of red meat though and burns out quickly since I make it all the time.

This is a really great article until the last sentence, which makes an inaccurate statement for the sole purpose of dogging a low carb or keto diet. Just ignore that part, lol ------------------------------------------------------------ Intermittent fasting could boost immunity in addition to melting fat By Grace Wade Intermittent fasting could make immune cells more effective in fighting pathogens and cancers Shutterstock/Nok Lek Travel Lifestyle© Provided by New Scientist Intermittent fasting has become all the rage in recent years because it promotes weight loss by depriving the body of glucose, which forces it to break down fat to produce an alternative fuel source called ketones. Intermittent fasting could also boost immunity and help combat disease, going by a finding in mice showing that immune cells more effectively fend off infections and cancer when using ketones as an energy source. It is widely believed that cells prefer glucose for energy. However, Russell Jones at the Van Andel Institute in Michigan and his colleagues previously found that certain immune cells that combat pathogens, called T cells, don’t produce much energy using glucose. “We said, 'well this is weird,'” says Jones. “These cells need lots of energy. So, what are they using to make [it]?” He and his colleagues collected data from three other studies that genetically analysed T cells responding to infections and tumours. They found that, compared with dysfunctional T cells, effective T cells had increased activity in genes involved in breaking down ketones, indicating that they derived energy from ketones when fighting disease. Next, the researchers genetically engineered three mice so that they couldn’t break down ketones and compared their response to an infection with an equal number of mice that could. They found that, on average, the normal mice had 50 per cent more T cells producing substances to kill off pathogens, called cytokines, than the engineered animals, and that these animals could churn out more cytokines per T cell as well. In other words, the ability to break down ketones made T cells more effective at fighting off infections in mice. Or, as Jones says, it increased the number of soldiers and ammunition on the front line. Jones and his team also injected cancerous cells into the mice and found that after 22 days, tumours in the mice that were unable to break down ketones were twice the size of those in the mice that could. Together, these findings suggest that immune cells are more effective at fighting disease when using ketones rather than glucose for fuel, says Jones. They also explain why previous research has shown that fasting for 12 or more hours daily improves immune function in mice, says Satchidananda Panda at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in California, who was not involved in the study. Additionally, the results could help us understand how dietary interventions that boost ketone production, such as intermittent fasting, may affect our ability to fight off infections and cancer, says Jones. However, he cautions that not all ketone-producing diets have the same effects. For instance, the low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet may impair immunity as high levels of fat can suppress immune cells, he says. Journal reference: Immunity DOI: 10.1016/j.immuni.2023.07.002 ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/intermittent-fasting-could-boost-immunity-in-addition-to-melting-fat/ar-AA1eukpJ

The Best Way To Reheat Steak, According To Omaha Steaks Executive Chef David Rose – Exclusive BY OLIVIA BRIA/DEC. 25, 2023 11:15 AM EST Grandriver/Getty Leftovers can be the best part of cooking and eating out. Who doesn't love heating up last night's fettuccine alfredo for lunch the next day? Unfortunately, reheating food doesn't always result in the flavor of the food you had the evening before, and sometimes, you end up overcooking it. If you put steak in the microwave, it will cook more, which could result in a medium cut turning into medium well. So, how do you reheat this protein to perfection? Executive Chef for Omaha Steaks, David Rose, advises using a cast iron pan for optimal flavor. "Slice that nice hunk [of] steak off and use a nice, rip-roaring cast iron pan to get that steak to room temperature," he remarks in an exclusive interview with Mashed. Getting your steak to room temperature is the key to reheating it. If the meat is at a fridge temperature, you risk burning it. Stay away from the microwave Azmanl/Getty Images "[The steak is already] at the temperature you made it before," David Rowe said. He told Mashed to "stay far away from the microwave" when it comes to roasts, steaks, and red meat. The oven or a cast iron pan works best. At this point, you'll want to add some more olive oil or butter and sear the steak as when originally cooked. Don't do it at too low heat, though, as a quick pan fry will do the job just fine. Heat until the steak reaches the desired temperature, and you will have a revived, juicy steak. Rose also advises staying true to the aforementioned steps, adding, "There are a million different ways to do it." Read this article to understand the mistakes everyone makes when reheating steak before learning the best trick for reheating steak. Whichever method is the best tasting for you is the one that works! ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.mashed.com/1478185/best-way-to-reheat-steak-according-david-rose-interview/ ----------------------------------------------- Static Media Terms at the time of posting: "You are not permitted to reproduce Static Media Content in any online website or distribution method (e.g., online forums, mailing lists or newsgroups) if for any reason (including any third party technical or legal restrictions) you do not provide a link back to the specific URL of the Static Media Content. So once again, ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.mashed.com/1478185/best-way-to-reheat-steak-according-david-rose-interview/ -----------------------------------------------

That was actually in the works back in September but it got pushed aside. I had started to create a section much like the Articles section for recipes, with the possibility of them auto-crossposting in a forum (like Articles and Downloads automatically crossposts to the Articles & Resources forum). Then, a 3rd party dev showed me a Recipes plugin he created, which looks interesting. And lastly, being a new community, I don't want to open too many forums right away. A bunch of forums with very few posts looks discouraging, so it's better to add forums as the need arises. So if we have the desire to share a bunch of recipes and organize them, then maybe it's time I wrap up the programming on that section and make it live.

I know you are talking to Geoff but the basics are 1/4 cup of shredded cheese for every 1 egg. From that starting point you can season it if desired or add a little almond flour for a more "bread" like texture. Of course, almond flour moves the recipe from being carnivore to being keto. For me, the turkey sausage is alright if I am having it in an omelet or mixed up with other things. But I tried to buy the turkey sausage patties once and eat them straight and honestly I will probably only do that with pork sausage moving forward. The turkey sausage just didn't have the same great taste to me 🙂

Awesome. If I am gonna cheat, I'm gonna cheat with keto (I've sworn off sugar, grains, and ultra-processed food, but I am not averse to some occasional plants). Good work! And great that they were accommodating for you.