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Followed up on an idea from geezy. I put roast on the smoker this morning. When it was within an hour or so from being ready I dropped it in the crock pot for a couple three hours on low. Turned out really nice. Scott

Sugar diet,huh? Yeah,we humans used to eat whatever we had access to, whenever that was possible. No diet plans or choices. Just survival. We have completely different problems now,everything being available for us western,lucky folks at all times. I wonder how long all this luxury will last? We are using up all resources in such a manner that who knows when things are forced to change? Meanwhile I will enjoy very low carbs and high animal fat to stay in good condition.

And as of today, I hear the sugar diet is the answer. Got a suitcase of poptart to go on my fast!

If you drive a car you have a basic understanding of traffic. Take a motorbike riding course and see how it feels. I have a professional teacher friend, sometimes people in their 60's start riding motorbikes. I still go to courses every now and then to sharpen up. Track practise days, slow riding, all kinds of practise. I had a bike break from 20 to 30 years. Then another break from 40 to 50. 62 now and my bike goes 200+ mph. I still prefer sportsbikes, I have had Harley and Guzzi cruisers, Honda enduros, 20+ bikes altogether, sometimes three different at once. I recommend motorbikes to everyone. Riding clears your mind in a way nothing else does. And it is very good exercise.

I call it the Malady maintenance system.

Correlation does not equal causation. A lot of these associations between meat and these diseases are from studying people who indulged in major poor habits and eating choices. They overate, ate junk food, smoked, drank alcohol, had that meat on a big fat bun covered in sugary sauces or seed oil based dressings.... but it's the meat that was the problem? Yeah, right [sarcasm]. Some of it is so easily explainable it should be an embarrassment to the medical and scientific community.... Just eat meat and your bowel movements become less frequent. It must be that meat rots in your colon, lol. Just eat meat and your red blood cells live longer, slightly raising your a1c. Meat must cause diabetes, lol.

pound of ground beef with 5 fried eggs laid on top. I poured the grease over top and then added a couple stabs of butter. Looking down into the bowl it was not the most appealing looking dish, but it sure did taste good. It was a struggle and I had to take a break. I have a little left to finish later tonight. Scott

I'm guessing since you found it on the internet it has to be true. Scott

I wonder........ When looking across the aisle at someone on the sugar diet do they look back at me on the carnivore diet with the same bewilderment? I will drop by here and there tonight. 5 nights in a row at work with basically nothing to do and on my last night they actually expect productivity. The nerve of an employer to expect something in return. LOL Just kidding. I'd much rather have a lot to do as it will make the night go by faster. The last five nights have been dragging. Should be some good conversation. Scott

I did the same thing last week. Turned out nice. Next time I'm pounding it with much more smoke!

3/4 lb of 70/30 fried up in a good load of ghee Cheddar cheese on top plus all the pan drippin's L-rueteri yogurt with instant coffee blended in With a meal like this I feel like a king 🫅🤣

Cars & Carnivores Street Festival - Rotary Club of Wake Forest This event is this weekend about forty minutes from here. Going to drag out my 72K5 and check out the cars and the meat vendors. Should be a pretty good time. Scott

This past week I had about 80 hours of night shift in 6 days. Five of them with hardly anything to do and only had one productive night, which was the last, thus missing most of Monday night's 'discussion'. I probably watched videos and then read referenced studies (chunks of them) when they were available. It was 'personally educational'. I work in an industry where 'root cause failure analysis' and identifying the 'single point of failure' are a must and is a really big part of the job. I'm the guy on the production end that has to land with laboratory guidelines and then proof it from the production floor. Babbling, but the most important thing in our lab is the 'control standards' which is the material our samples are tested against for purity, performance and sustainability. As I was reading a lot of these studies and watching the videos I could only help to compare the 'control subjects' of the studies to our 'standards' we use for testing. Our 'standards' are created the same each time with an exact specification which makes me think of the variabilities of the control subjects even in the most sophisticated/complex scientific studies. On this thread, take me, Bob and Meathead. I am guessing we are all white males, between 40 and 60, with a wife and a job. If I went back thru all the threads and read the posts on this forum, as well as the couple three video chats I watched/participated, and if this were a scientific study.....the carnivore diet is 100% effective for all white males between 40 and 60. We all know that is not true, but at the same time that is what the data suggests/implies/indicates. (Geezy, you have one or two more birthdays than the criteria of this study, maybe next time, LOL) All three of us took a much different path to get to 40-60 and that path factors. As I read a lot of these studies I see so much variability. I guess that is why I can get 'overly' interested in everyone's person journey. I believe in the science, I believe in the data. I just think a lot of it can easily be manipulated to say something different. I don't see the sugar diet as being effective for me when I was 325lbs, already eating a dumpster diet, with turning wrenches, dragging hoses and pumps and walking samples to the lab was my only means of exercise. I could have turned 325 into 350 in pretty much no time. I watched several of the sugar diet videos and I did not see one person north of 300 pounds nor did I see any of the transformations from 300lbs to 200lbs. Maybe they are out there, and maybe I will see one. I'm strict carnivore and although my version it good for me, I have found that going strict red meat only is actually better for me as an individual. There is no way I could look across the aisle and say, "Hey, Geezy, red meat/nothing else is the only way". Would he see some benefits? Maybe, maybe not. Could our shared experiences help us (and others) learn? Absolutely. @Miranda has mentioned fasting, I am a big fan for me, and I think it will help with her. Do I know that enough to push the agenda? Nope, not in the least. Again, babbling on, after a 72 hour week long, self-induced education. LOL Hope everyone has a good week. Scott

Sirloin steaks last night. Less fatty than the NY strips but at least the wife doesn't complain, lol. I melt down butter and dip the steaks in it as I eat to make up for the lost fat.

Better slow down on the greens there, buddy Awesome! Glad to hear you're still doing great!

It’s an art that takes time to learn but once you master it there is no better way to cook.

Glad to see someone else agrees not to handhold, just let natural selection happen.

Got 12 pounds of bacon on the pit.

Welcome Nick. I’m glad you joined us. I’d be curious to know what your carnivore diet consisted of. Yes the rash could have been oxalate dumping, that seems to be the go to response in those situations but it could also have been an allergic reaction or histamine response to something. For some people who have some food sensitivities the Lion Diet is more suitable. I experienced some rashes on a couple of different occasions but mine weren’t as severe as yours sound like and mine went away after a week or two. The energy running low sounds like the classic “not getting enough fat” or “not eating enough”. While I don’t have this great burst of energy that many talk about I do have a sustained energy that allows me to goo all day. Again, without knowing how you are it’s hard to try to evaluate what might have been the issue. You seem to have a sensible mind and understanding of what is needed for a healthy diet so if you were eating a proper human diet and following carnivore correctly (that of course is relative to the individual) then it’s possible that eating a strict carnivore diet may not be right for you. Not everyone is cut out for this way of eating as their bodies do better with a little carbs in their lifestyle. For people who need some carbs in their diet we recommend that those carbs consist of whole vegetables in the form of green, above ground veggies. Stay away from starchy vegetables, seeds, seed oils and sugars except for the occasional fruit with berries being the best. Regardless of whether you call it The Sugar Diet, Fructose Diet or Fruitarian Diet, the majority of people cannot sustain a healthy life consuming large quantities of sugars or fructose. Besides risking diabetes, fatty liver disease , inflammation, cancer, fat storage and overall poor metabolic health it’s just not sustainable for the long term in my opinion. There is no nutritional requirement for carbs in our bodies and we know that all carbs consumed are metabolized as sugar or glucose in our bodies. So since that is the case it would seem to me that adding some vegetables to the diet would be better than just sugar or fructose. I personally believe that this whole sugar diet craze is nothing more than an excuse to not give into our sugar addictions. No society in the history of mankind has ever eating anything like the sugar diet so it seems pretty silly to me to start something new now. Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not judging you or what you are trying in the least, it’s just not my thing. I think it’s great when people experiment and try different things. I follow Nick Norwitz and get a kick out of his N of 1 experiments. I wish you the best of luck and look forward to hearing all about your results.

I'm convinced more than ever that the world is full of idiots after hearing about the sugar diet a few weeks ago. If a person would do even a small amount of reading or research online they could maybe see the error of their decision. Oh well, it's not my job to save their ass so they can grab a big spoon and the sugar bowl or maybe a jar of honey and dig right in. Good luck with your future cancers. They are a bitch, trust me, I've been down that road once and being carnivore I hope to never travel that road again! Things like this are one of the main reasons I don't really like people anymore. The world has gone to shit and this is just another reason to believe that! True carnivores know the truth by our own personal experiences with this WOE. Long live the carnivores!!!

I dropped in a watched a few minutes here and there. I guess, mostly, I didn't realize how big of a thing the sugar diet is for a number of people. The videos on youtube are ever increasing. To each his own, but if a way of eating can be scrutinized for sustainability, the sugar diet has to score rather low. I'm biased but much less sustainable than the carnivore approach. Good conversation on Saladini. I can see where the reintroduction of carbs and some sugars could be beneficial to some, especially someone with elite type sports activity with a really deep need for both quick and sustained energy sources. I can't really see 150-300 carbs every day, but I can see the advantages of using those carbs to move in and out of the lower ends of ketosis. I mentioned before the guy in my gym who has been carnivore for four years but shifted to a carb load one day a week about a year ago. He is strict carnivore six days per week and on Thursdays he eats his normal carnivore meal plus two sweet potatoes. He works out Mon-Tues-Wed, skips Thursday and then does a really hard total body workout on Friday, then off the weekend. I can see where this would aid in athletic performance but falls far short of 300 carbs per day. This is a very interesting conversation for me. Also, good conversation around the ancestral use of fruits and such. They were ready and available only a few weeks out of the year, and at some point I am sure they were preserved or dried and used later in the year. Maybe more available in certain geographic areas than others. That is miniscule in comparison to being shipped all over the world from all over the world to make them readily available 24/7/365 just about everywhere in the world. Hopefully I will be able to join in next week. Scott

I do the same with my smartphone. Bacground turns sort of red at 6 PM, back to normal at 8 AM. I also put on a red light around 8 pm for a couple of hours in bedroom. And use bright light for an hour at daytime in our dark winter, summer is light almost 24/7 now so I'm using curtains at night now. I'd say that all this light yoga is helping me sleep full nights better than before. I have a history of working evenings and staying up all night for decades (musician) so sleeping full nights feels like luxury now. And no TV since last September.

Mediterranean diet means nothing. It does not exist, think Turkey,Italy, France,Tunis... they have completely different food cultures. Just another "diet" that usually sells something like "whole grain". Ever been to Italy? It's all white wheat there. Bah. Other than that, very low carb keto(vore) has been good for me. It masks my heart problems and keeps me slim,healthy and happy.

Cures do not generate a profit, only sick patients do. Not that many years ago Coconut and palm oil was going to kill us all overnight. Now it's good for us.

The doctors at the mayo clinic are no better than the doctors at your local clinic. They are all working for a corporation who will always have a "standard of care" that they must follow or else they will get sued or lose their positions within that corporation. As patients we need to do our own research into our nutrition and deal with it ourselves. your local doctor will hand out this same crapola of bad science. My local doctor told me years ago that I need to keep some carbs in my diet. I just laughed at her and said - why?, I'm still waiting for an answer 😂. Why do you think most of the carnivore influencer doctor work for themselves?

Great results. Congratulations. For most the stool settles itself out as you adjust. It may take some tweaking to find out what works best for you. I don't worry much about being in or out of ketosis except when I am doing a longer fast. A day to day 1.5 seems a little high/deep but maybe not. The few times I checked outside of the fast I was under 1.0 and after three days of fasting as deep as 3.4. I think my blood sugar that day was around 81 which gave me a GKI of around 23 or so. I am nowhere near that day to day. My weight fluctuates as well. Celebrate the 26 pounds and keep moving forward. Scott

Just plant the seed, be the success, and say no more. Actions after all, are much stronger than words. My wife is now on keto. She had no health reasons, is an endurance athlete, lean, and healthy, and just by seeing my healing journey she took it on as a preventive measure with focus on longevity and quality of life.

I try daily but like everyone else my words fall on deaf ears. I usually say look up keto and carnivore diet and do your research but feel free to ask me questions if you need anything.

Been there done that. It’s hard to take sometimes Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. (Matthew 10:14, NASB)

Well said. I have several guys at work with diabetes and several take the monthly shots for weight loss. When they are discussing their issues I will add 'there are ways to help/correct your glucose issue with a change in diet'. I am looked at like I am a crazy person. Maybe even the worse part, two guys at work say the medicine is used so he can eat the way he wants. If the sugar goes up after the doughnuts and sweet tea it means he just takes another pill. All we can do is offer to help. I feel like the kid in the back of the class that has the answer today. Squirming back and forth in the chair, hand raised high, waving back and forth at the teacher, "I know the answer! I know the answer!". Scott

Today will be having grilled flappers of the Gallus gallus domesticus species, or as a few people call them "chicken wings" 🐔😆. We like them with crispy skin and for sauce - Franks redhot and our old friend Butter!

And the site seems to work well for all. Thanks Bob for all the effort you put in keeping it going! Such a great resource for Carnivores to speak about our WOE. I'm really enjoying my time here.

They have us so fooled. They have us dancing like puppets, chasing numbers on the scale and on panels. And they have a good laugh. Remember all cholestrol was bad? The lie will be reinvented again and again. Eat meat. Lift weights. Drink water. Keep it simple.

Carb Manager seems to be a popular one.

Thanks everyone for the input. Ill definitely check out the videos posted. I do occasionally have a coffee but its not a regular thing and it doesn't seem to be correlated to when "disasters strikes" lol I'll keep in mind the cold drinks and see if that affect me. Are there any good, free macro tracking apps that you guys use so I can dial in the fat to protein ratio. Also I was wondering about the LMNT salt packets. I know when I was a kid and I would eat a bunch of sunflower seeds all the salt would upset my stomach. So perhaps between the sodium and magnesium in the LMNT I fonder if that would be causing it as well or if I simply need to wait longer. As far as ketosis goes i was trying to find the ranges online and what i found said it should be at least 1.5 so when I was seeing low numbers I was confused. But I am already down 26lbs in about 4.5 weeks so I must be burning something lol. My weight can fluctuate at least 5lbs in a day just through water retention so I know some of its that but everything is moving in the right direction.

I'm not sure what I'm eating today . In an effort to eliminate Teflon like products from my life We went to Target yesterday and I picked up this new ceramic coated cast iron pan. It will probably be some bacon and eggs to break it in. I've never cooked on ceramic before - Any tips from the group?

As well as magnesium levels, alledgely... Macros and electrolytes. Also, metabolic rate and body fat percentage. Ah, the human body, so complex. It's like a Lexus, it can run forever, but repairs may be costly.

9am 3 fried eggs 3 strips of bacon Noon Ground beef with saco seasoning (probably won't do that again because it made me hungrier than normal, I really wanted a snack afterwards) 6p.m 6-8oz of chuck steak. 1st time using the pit boss. I smoked it for about half hour first. Two chicken thighs One more slice of bacon as I was cleaning up the kitchen. Decaf with light cream throughout the day. Ending at 8pm

In my view, yep. I can throw out some scientific words here and there, have some basic understanding but don't have the medical background for an all-out debate. Instead of going with the 'study' says, or 'the doctors/research' says, I am going with I started on this date and by this date these 'good' things happened. I continued on making some adjustments here and there but continued with meat/fat, salt and water and the metabolic/immunoglobulin numbers I am most concerned with have shown drastic improvement. At one point I was on pain and inflammation medicine and now I am not and thriving. My one story might not be enough evidence to change the world, but I most definitely don't see me changing my world back. I'm my one of one and I am my own personal case study. And by me being the expert on me, I'm sticking with the carnivore approach. Not exactly the most scientific terminology but my case diagnosis/prognosis is 'there is no need to rock the boat', or maybe even, 'no need to fix what ain't broke'. Scott

I could s**t over a six rail fence.

One pound of boiled shrimp. Two pounds of crawfish. That wasn’t enough so when I got home I had some liverwurst and some pork butt.

9 eggs and almost 1lb bacon

A carnivore's second most popular conversation after meats/fats is the end results of consuming meats/fats. The color commentary is simply beautiful. I like 'going for distance'. Scott

"I could poop through a screen door" is another good one 🤣. Sorry, kind of early in the day for that but I just had to ad that one.

good word picture🤑.

I grilled a four legged chicken. Could barely get over three leg quarters.

2 chuck steaks. 4 eggs. a chunk of butter. I have a 1/2 chicken that will be ready shortly. Scott

Chuck steak 2 lobsters with butter Decaf

It took me 3 to 4 weeks to adapt. I jumped right in the deep end and with no gallbladder. That's how I roll with most things in my life. That was 4 years ago and now my digestion is 99% perfect. Once or twice a year I'll have "one of those days" 🤣, But within 24 hours it's all back to normal. I think that is the reason a few people quit carnivore without giving it a chance, But once you are "fat adapted" it is SO worth it in the end! As long as I'm feeding myself "I am a Carnivore for life!"

I agree with the blue light theory. I’ve considered getting the blue light blocking glasses. I have a setting on my phone that I can set to turn down the blue light every day at 7:00 pm and not turn back on for 12 hours. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk