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I was wondering as well. Scott

How's it going Nick??

4 boiled eggs, left over pork BBQ and maybe six or eight chicken tenders. Sort of a 'clean the fridge-hodge podge' for work today. Scott

Thinly sliced smoked ribeye tacos with French Brie. Egglife wraps of course.

Oxtail - I've never tried it. Sounds unique. I hit up the NY Strips last night. Was even still eating it when the live stream started, lol.

Slow cooked beef oxtail for lunch.

Advertising and marketing will make this the new health drink. Let's skip past the phosphoric acid that cuts the enamel off your teeth and get to the cane sugar that makes it "healthy". (I am just about sure when I stopped drinking Mountain Dew on May 8th of last year someone in the Pepsi corporate offices said, "we see a downward shift in sales in the southeastern region, what's going on?") I drank that many. Scott

Copied the following from Bon on another post (sugar diet thread)...... "This makes sense. Carbs can be utilized for energy almost immediately. This is why some people will be carnivore until it's time to hit the gym, and then they will load up on fruit or a sweet potato or something." I have not tried to time the protein drinks with the gym to see if I see if I can feel an increase in energy. Bob's comment clicked because there is a guy in the gym who does just that with sweet potatoes on Thursday nights before lifting heavy/high volume on Fridays. He is strict carnivore the other 6 days per week. I would imagine the protein drink could serve the same purpose. Sometimes it takes me some time to put 2 and 2 together. Scott

Yep. True. We were all spokes in the wheel. Scott

The sugar is putting you into a dopamine roller coaster ride. It raises your blood sugar and when it drops off it wants another “hit” so it turns on the hunger hormone Ghrelin. Eating fat is satiating because it suppresses that hormone. When I first started eating carnivore I couldn’t eat as much as I do now. I only eat when I’m hungry and like you, a pound of meat was about all I could stuff in but when I lost nearly all my fat is when my appetite increased. The reason is when we are fat adapted we only use fat for fuel but when we use up all of our body fat the body starts crying for more fuel than what your body can provide so it turns on the appetite. I try to eat 1.5 - 2 pounds a day but there are some days I still only want about a pound. There are five stages of carnivore The decision Adaptation Healing Ravenous Maintenance

Yep. Carnivore has surprised me in a lot of ways. I hardly eat in comparison to others and then with a handful of sugar and carbs it is like I found an appetite. Now, I may have a clearer picture of how I came out of the military around 190-200 and found myself north of 320 years later. I'm not much on calories in and calories out but as of late I can see where ounces in and ounces out can be a thing. LOL Another pleasant surprise form carnivore. LOL Scott

I'm new here, so just now seeing this. My blood glucose level is 125. It bothered me until I learned from Dr Paul Mason that when you're not eating carbohydrates, you're no longer glycating your red blood cells, meaning they're living longer, and that can make your blood glucose go up

Welcome to Carnivore Talk Sean. I have been carnivore for a little over two years myself. I will occasionally get loose but for me it’s because of too much fat. I’m not sure what it could be in your case since you’ve already experimented with your fat ratios but since this is an elimination diet you might look at what’s not essential to your diet. You might try dropping the LMNT for a while. The magnesium or potassium could be causing an issue. I personally don’t thing that someone who has become fully fat adapted should be taking a supplement unless they are deficient in something or trying to fix something. I was taking LMNT and the. For cost reasons I switched to KetoChow and a blood test showed that I was in the danger zone for having too much potassium in my system. Now I only take LMNT when I know I’m going to be out in the hot sun working all day and sweating. If I don’t I’ll end up with muscle cramps. The other thing to look at would be your coffee consumption. I know that’s a hard one to give up but I could be worth a try. But I’d try giving up the electrolytes first.

Yep. I left the east coast on a submarine, got to the Mediterranean, small boat transfer to a LPH, a helo-transfer to a carrier and then a puddle jumping plane to Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and then to Kuwait. I was there to repair an oxygen generator in a make-shift hospital/aid station. Some branches do not have the same sense of humor. When I arrived I was handed and M-16 rifle and I said, "don't need that dude, I brought my own screwdrivers". It went over like a lead balloon. But yep. Go Navy. Scott

Thanks a lot Geezy! I was going to fast today until I saw this picture. I'll fast tomorrow 🤣

Tonight I had a nice juicy grass fed/grass finished strip steak.

OMG $10/lb. That's too much. I live in central NJ and there are a lot of Asian markets in my area. A lot of beef they have is cheap.

I probably would have never tried it if not for a neighbor getting a beef butchered. Lots of bone broth jello left over. Mmm. I also can score organ meats this way. Probably a rural thing, like being in the right place at the right time.

Most of this video is all bout the history of Spam. While also including an old recipe of cream cheese and spam. The video creator wasn't too impressed. But did his homework on where Spam came from. I thought interesting. The history of Spam

@Bob You were thinking about getting a weighted vest and I came across this from Nick.

When I hit the button, I was aiming for picture but managed to hit video. But yes, it is Pro Iron. My apologies. I like the vest itself. It wears comfortably. If the weights were removable/returnable easier I would recommend it over any others I tried. It sort of takes the versatility out and makes this one a 40lb vest. Scott

I found it at my local Asian market. It was something like $3.99/lb.

The video clip is like 1/2 a second and almost impossible to see or read, so I managed to pause it and it looks like the brand is "Pro Iron"

Yesterday I had a slab of ribs slow on the grill. This evening, Had a pound of ground beef with blue cheese and a home grown mater. I like ox tail. Luckily not everyone else likes it. So when one of my neighbors butcher, I sometimes get the tail. and other parts.

3 lbs brisket burgers and 50 g natto

I wouldn't see the harm. I'm a big fan on longer water fasting. It has been my subject of research as of late. Tons of information about the positive effects of longer fasting on cancer cells to go along with the positives of eliminating sugars. I believe fasting has played a huge role in my blood work improvements along with the carnivore approach. I feel like they are a winning combination. Best of luck with the scan results. Scott

I take Rituxan every six months for an auto-immune disease called Neuromyelitis Optica Spectrum Disorder. It is an immunotherapy drug. Once I was on carnivore I came off the daily prednisone and Neurontin. It took maybe 4-5-6 weeks and I no longer needed those two medications. I have been on a strict carnivore diet for 14 months and have seen no issue with 'carnivore and immunotherapy'. I always suggest talking with your doctor, as I am not a doctor and the only medical degree I have is via youtube and Google, and I am sure they don't count. LOL Carnivore has been a super positive experience for me. Zero regrets and pretty much zero negatives. I'm 55 off medicine, lost 95 pounds and will soon have a conversation with the Neurologist about stopping the immunotherapy. My AQP-4 and Igg and IgA numbers have drastically improved since going carnivore. Talk to your doctors. Some will be understanding of your diet choice and some, not so much. And some, will even preach against it. My Neurologist says he is not exactly ready to medically recommend carnivore for his patients but seeing my successes he wishes some of his other patients would give me a call. Believe it or not that is a lot of progress withing the medical community. Welcome to the board. The carnivore is working for me, and I do a six hour infusion every six months of Rituxan. (I don't know how that translates to your particular medicine, so you will have to do the leg work....) Good luck. And welcome. Scott

I 've watched all 37,527 no carb life interviews and some people say they struggled for awhile. It seems pretty common for those with health problems to take longer to feel better. Low energy.. don't feel like beef? eat butter! We know here carnivore is cheaper than SAD. I can say you're on the right track, don't doubt your decision. Muscle through the discomfort you'll thank yourself later.

Yep. 3 guys 2 racks. Everyone hot racks til you gain some seniority. I did sub school after A school. C school for a bit, to the boat, then to dive school in Panama City, then to the shipyards, then to another boat and then got out in 93. It was 2,192 days not that I started counting around a 1000 nor did I keep a logbook counting down days describing every which way I felt like the Navy was not for me. I realized it was not for me when I arrived at the recruit depot for boot camp all the way til I got out 6 years later. I had a ton of fun with the people I served with, met some of the wildest and most dependable people in the world. And as much as I disliked things it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Odd to say, I hated it so much but would not change one minute. Yep, bubble head. Scott

2 brats, a burger patty and some spam. 4 pickle slices 1 Deschutes "Black Butte Porter, N.A." A spoonful of L-rueteri yogurt.

Finished up having bacon/eggs for lunch time to hit a few NY strip this week

I do the same. I'm currently bouncing around 213-218 (down from 306 in May '24 and down from 319 earlier in '24) I'm guessing my ideal weight is somewhere around 190-200lbs. I based the grams per pound on the 190-200 and struggle to eat that much protein in any given day. I sort of altered the concept of the diet a couple times due to the fact my appetite was basically no more. If I eat a meal that leaves me comfortably full, I'm not actually hungry again for 24-30 hours. And that meal will be far short of 200 grams of protein. I lessened the fat content to lessen the total amount of food in an attempt to get all the protein. For whatever reason, I gained weight steadily over that period and saw a drop in energy (not normal day to day but the gym sessions sort of flattened out). When I added the fat back and lessened the protein count my weight started to drop and the gym energy returned. In another attempt to get the protein in I did so via protein powder (no sugar/no carb brand) and it helped me get closer. A couple months ago I ran out and bought a 50 grams of protein drink from the grocery store. It is 2.5 servings per bottle. I drank half at work that night and within an hour I was as hungry as all get out. With nothing at work, I powered thru that hunger. I didn't put 2 and 2 together until the next night when I drank the second half of that protein drink. Again, within an hour or so, hungry as all get out. I waited a week and tried it again and it was the same. I spaced those drinks out over the next month to month and half. Each time half of the bottle led to hunger that night and some into the next morning. At least 2-3 days per week I was up to and touching the 190-200 grams of protein (and a much better fat to protein ratio). The weight went up a tad, but the day-to-day swings were not as wide. In a month or so I saw a big difference in the gym. The plates per exercise went up. You used UFC as an example, and I will use 'professional bodybuilder' (and I am neither...at 55 both of those ships have sailed). I can use the protein drink with sugar and do a "bulking phase" by getting in the protein and then ditch the protein drink and do a more normal carnivore diet as a 'cutting phase' (not that either of them is a goal of mine). From just a month and a half, for me, and maybe just me, I have found sugar is triggering some hunger. I'm using those grams of sugar to trigger hunger, using the hunger to hit a protein target and using that protein to build muscle (not for aesthetics, but because I have an auto-immune disease that debilitates over time and the more muscle the better I can fight that). Now next week or next month I may find this first month or so was a one-off. But for right now, it seems to be working. I'm rolling with it. LOL Scott

Of course. It’s very normal especially if you just jumped right in rather than easing into it. You could be eating too much fat but more than likely it’s just your gut biome going through the adaptation stage of rebuilding itself to digest fats and proteins instead of carbs. This phase can last anywhere from a couple of weeks to two months. For me it lasted 30 days. That’s common. Fat is very satiating so we stay satisfied much longer. We do t get that rollercoaster ride like we do with carbs. Just eat when you are hungry and eat until you are full. Just make sure you are getting enough fat. Again, normal. In the beginning your body is having to change its source of energy from glucose to fats. This can take some time so it’s important to just keep eating plenty of fat ( but not to the point of diarrhea). Give it time and it will turn around as your body adapts. Be aware that what some people experience others may not. I can’t say that my mental clarity has improved any but my irritability has improved greatly. I’ve never had depression so I can’t relate to that. That first ten pounds were probably just water weight. You haven’t stalled, you probably haven’t even started losing any fat yet. Until your body adapts to using fat for fuel you won’t lose any. A little advice for you would be to not be too concerned with the scale. Instead get you a tailors tape measure, the cloth kind. Measure every part of your body. Neck, shoulders, chest, waist, hips, butt, thighs, calves, biceps and forearms. Write them down in a journal and then remeasure every thirty days. This will be a better metric of your weight loss than the scale. This early in the diet I wouldn’t mess with any digestive supplements. If after you’ve been doing this for 3-6 months, if you’re still having issues then ox bile might be a good choice. But give your system time to adapt and heal. The only supplements you might concern yourself with at this time would be electrolytes of sodium, magnesium and potassium. This way of eating flushes water out of our system so it can affect your levels and might need to be replaced this can also affect your energy levels I think you should just ride it out. Your body is going through a radical change and the transition is different for everyone so just take some vitamin P (patience) and give your body time to heal. You didn’t wreck your metabolism over night and you won’t fix it overnight. Just KCCO (Keep Calm & Carnivore On) Oh, and welcome to Carnivore Talk we are glad you joined us.

A night shift job is not great for human health. I did 2nd shift for over 30 years and my wife was almost 35 years. That definitely affected us both healthwise. We are both MUCH happier being retired.

I'm a huge fan of the weight vest. This is one of those things in life where a few extra dollars can mean a lot. Two, I went sort of big with the plan of starting light and working the weight up as I progressed. I poked the pooch on both. I saved a few dollars on a 40lb. vest. I pulled the first weight bag out and tried to put it back in. It is like they wrapped it in place, did the sewing and the material then shrank over the weight. It took 20 minutes of stretching and prying with a screwdriver to get the one weight back in its pouch. I should have not went cheap. Since I went cheap and could not remove the weights I started off really high at 40lbs. It is quite the load to walk 3.5 miles in a 40lb vest. (Then I was dumb enough to drop on the side of the road for my normal pushups. Not so normal and quite the challenge. LOL) Scott

🤣 that is a great explanation of what we do. I love it. 👍 And that is how it’s done. There has never been and will never be a true RCT of how we eat. And since we are all so individual we must be our own N of 1 experiment. You are doing exactly what you should be doing and that’s finding out what works best for you. I’m personally scared of sugar. As an addict I feel that I must stay away from it. I don’t even want any sweet taste in my mouth, even from the artificial stuff. But that’s just me knowing me. Kerry Mann has put out three different videos about the 5 stages of carnivore. When I saw the first one I realized that he had nailed exactly what I had experienced. The 5 Stages of Carnivore 1. The decision 2. Adaptation 3. Healing 4. Ravenous 5. Maintenance The ravenous stage was really something. After I had lost all of the weight it looked like I was going to loose and my body had healed I became enormously hungry. I recognized that my body no longer had the fat stores to sustain my energy levels and it was craving more fat and proteins. That’s why I can eat more than some people. I have found that if I don’t satisfy that hunger I’ll start losing weight so in the maintenance stage I have to make sure I eat enough. Never in my life that I’d be in a situation that I’d need to eat more to keep from losing weight. Have I mentioned I love carnivore. 😋

No doubts. I am extremely thankful myself. I think for the human race as a whole we have shown we can survive on just about anything. We can survive on just about every diet, every eating habit, every food choice out there. Most of us have shown whatever path we took it did get us to the point we made the change. Up until that point, especially looking back, I was eating to survive. Once I changed approaches I think now, I am eating to thrive. Two totally different concepts. Scott

There has been a couple of times in my life when I was pretty destitute and all I had was bread from the day old store. At one point I was starving for about 3 months and had nothing to eat but homemade flour tortillas that I made at the stove while in a walker. I am so grateful for God’s blessing today and for the trials He put me through in the past.

I saw that. I really like his explanations.

Hi I missed the boat where I recommended you trying the sugar diet 🤣 Maybe click the link and watch before typing 😏

Aha. Ok I will try that as well. Jim

I am so glad for you Scott. Most of us need to take our health into our own hands and stop relying on doctors who just want to prescribe medication in response to symptoms. Jim

I read an article last night about our ancestors eating patterns and I normally delete my searches form the work computer. Now I can't find it. I will continue to look as it was quite interesting. I will summarize and paraphrase and I feel like I will get the intent right, but I may butcher the delivery. LOL We were never meant to have variety in our diet. The proper human diet was based on food that was hunted and killed. The electrolytes (salt) we depend on stemmed more from man learning to preserve meat vs. salt being a seasoning. No cave man sat out early in the morning to kill a chicken, a duck, a pig, a deer all in the same day so there would be variety in that weeks' meals. The reason so many people seem to do better on red meat is that was the hunting objective and not because it was better, or taste better, but it was simply bigger. Walking for distance, setting up, stalking, hunting for several hours for a chicken is not the most efficient way to feed the family/village. The bigger animals happen to be bearers of red meat. And the bigger animal fed more people for longer periods of time. Now along the way the variety came when the big animal hunt fails or the little animal steps out and becomes an opportunity. Hunters will attest that a deer is not killed on every trip to the woods. If on the big animal hunt a little animal steps out, at least that is a meal for that day. Variety in the meals were not by design but by opportunity. Fruits and vegetables (and in time bread) were seasonal. The apple tree only bears fruit but so many weeks during the year. And food/diet patterns started to shift based on geographic location. Eskimos were making do with whale blubber while Floridians had oranges for ever so many weeks per year. Alaskan vegetables had a very small window. People adjust. That was the gist of the article of how a lot of our dietary issues can be linked to our ancestors and where they called home. Similar to Geezy speaking to lactose intolerance amongst different backgrounds last Monday night. This kinda sort of leans toward and speaks toward the Lion Diet being successful and when people who go from keto to keto-vore to a stricter carnivore approach see more than positive results. Not exactly from the article but in reading this piece it makes me thing we were sort of pre-dispositioned to eat a certain way. When we find that way the positives are amazing. Scott

Neuromyelitis Optics-Spectrum Disorder (called Devic's) a somewhat rare autoimmune disease with basically the same symptoms as Multiple Sclerosis. Lesions which break the myelin exposing the nerve. Whatever nerve that is exposed is intense pain and any of a multitude of issues from bowel movements to loss of mobility, numbness in the extremities, etc, etc. The big difference is NMO most often attacks the optic nerve leaving vision loss/vision impairment. The initial symptoms are similar, the diagnosis pattern is similar and the treatments differ. I went from being on prednisone and Gabapentin/Neurontin for six years to not being on any daily medication in 4-5-6 weeks. The only change was I went strict carnivore to lose weight. I had no idea there would be other benefits and actually stumbled upon the reduction in inflammation/pain. Just about lottery like for me. Scott

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