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Sure. Here is a quote from https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminC-HealthProfessional/ that shows that a mere 10mg per day of Vitamin C is all that is needed to prevent scurvy. The following quote is from this study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0309174006002701?via%3Dihub shows that meat, including muscle meat, has vitamin C... Here is a study that has a chart about 2/3's of the way down the page showing how many mg of vitamin C there is per 100mb (3 oz) of various meats... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8266228/ You will note that even muscle meat has about 2mg per 3oz serving. So if you eat 1.25 lbs of muscle meat, you have got all the vitamin C you need. And most of us are eating 2 or more pounds per day. Hope this helps, Jen!

I'd say so. My store bought jar lasted me at least a month, I think. I still cook a lot in butter though as well.

Tonight's dinner features some bacon wrapped jalapeno poppers, 1/2 pound of ground beef with parmesan cheese and avocado oil mayonnaise for some extra fat 🙂

Nice. Nothing goes to waste 🙂

Not at all. The human body is constantly working at detoxing itself. When you stop eating harmful foods and adopt a proper human diet then the detox will happen automatically. I too, started with Keto, then worked my way to Carnivorish/Ketovore, and then progressed to "Mostly" Carnivore. People can actually be very successful losing weight and reversing health issues using a meat-based keto/ketovore diet. If you have certain chronic or auto-immune conditions you are trying to heal, then if they still persist after some time on keto (try 60 days, preferably 90 days) then the next step is to use carnivore or Lion diet as an elimination diet for some time, so you can set yourself up for figuring out which food/food group or plant toxin is at the root of the condition. So you are choosing a good starting point, imo 🙂

My problem was always trying to come up with recipes that imitated foods that were forbidden. Eventually your just like "Forget this, gimme the real thing" and then next thing you know you are off plan for weeks and can't button your pants anymore, lol.

I licked my plate the other day, lol. Does that count? 😄 I have some grass-fed beef burger that I get from Sam's Club that's 85/15. I will add a little tallow or butter to this because this is leaner than I like. Sometimes I pick up some 73/27 from Meijer. This doesn't need any extra tallow or butter and will produce a lot of liquid fat on it's own. My 73/27 may end up in a bowl rather than a plate and I will eat it like soup, but I don't go out of my way to drink all the fat/tallow. Although, sometimes I toss in a couple eggs and scramble them together with the beef. The eggs will soak up most of the fat, and it's very tasty. I use some salt and some seasonings too.

Nice. I just finished a jar of store-bought beef tallow. It's actually kinda pricey. I am curious about the process. Do you just heat it and let it liquefy, and then pour it through a strainer to remove any solids?

We all have. We're basically told meat is just fat and protein, but it's actually a whole lot more. It's LOADED with vitamins and minerals that are bioavailable and in abundance. We are also told that vegetables are packed with nutrition, but that isn't exactly true. Sure, some vegetables have SOME nutrients, but nowhere near the quantity that meat has. Plus, there are anti-nutrients that bind them, making them not very bioavailable, and then there are toxins, that may not affect you after eating, but may after years and years of eating the plant over and over. Atkins was definitely on the right track. Atkins allowed for seed oils, artificial sweeteners, and believed in fiber and supplementation. But had he lived longer, he probably would have changed his tune as more information about how bad these things are became abundant.

Any eating pattern on the keto-carnivore spectrum should be just fine for your health, and elevated ALT due to metabolic syndrome or non-alcoholic fatty liver disease usually improves in the long term. I would test it again once you hit the 90-day mark and if it remains elevated then it's time to find out why. There's a lot of anecdotal stories of ALT increasing during the initial three months on starting a low-carb diet, coinciding with weight loss. When weight loss subsides, ALT usually normalizes. You are still in your adjustment phase.

There is also.... Sir Kensington's Avocado Oil Mayonnaise Chosen Foods Avocado Mayonnaise Chosen Foods Keto Mayonnaise (made with MCT oil) Primal Kitchen Mayonnaise You can get all these from Amazon or maybe your local stores.

I'm not a fan of wasting money and throwing things away either. If you drink this in the morning, at least you have all day to metabolize it. And if it's just a pump per cup it's probably insignificant. If you hit a weight loss plateau though, nix this 😉

Ah, I forgot that one. I take K2 because I heard it pairs well with D3 and promotes bone health, and I broke my ankle earlier in the year. So I take 5000 IU's of D3, Omega-3, and 500mg of Niacin with Lunch and then again at Dinner. At dinner I also add the CoQ10 and the K2 to the above. At bedtime I take my magnesium so i don't get leg cramps.

There is absolutely nothing about a clean keto or carnivore diet that can harm you if you are healthy to begin with. You tested 50 days apart, and have been on the carnivore diet for 43 days. At this point, some blood work is still going to look wonky as you are adapting to this new way of eating, especially if you are actively losing weight OR actively working out, lifting weights, etc. Your BUN (B Urea), or Blood Urea Nitrogen, increased due to the high rate of protein metabolism. This is an expected change. Your sodium levels are still normal by most standards. Google it and you will see what I mean. If you have lost weight, you probably lost a lot of water weight as well and your electrolytes could be slightly off. Do you salt your food to taste? Your elevated liver enzymes (ALT) is also something commonly seen in people who workout hard on a regular basis. ALT tends to remain elevated for 7+ days post workout. If this were me, I would keep doing what you are doing and test again in another 45 days so that you have 90 days total behind you.

Yes, 99% of people don't have any issues with histamines. Histamines are in just about every food at various levels. Your body also produces histamines, and also an enzyme called diamine oxidase. Diamine oxidase is what breaks down histamine that you take in from foods. If you develop a diamine oxidase deficiency and cannot break down histamine, you could develop histamine intolerance. If you have histamine intolerance, you need to eat foods low in histamines. For a carnivore, eggs are good, and so is fresh meat and fresh caught fish. Canned and cured meats will be high in histamines because they are aged. You can also attempt taking antihistamines or diamine oxidase supplements, but they may or may not work. Histamine intolerance only affects about 1% of people, so I wouldn't overthink it just yet. This could help, or a pressure cooker. Basically, if you had this problem you would want to get the freshest meat possible. If you weren't going to eat it right away, you would want to freeze it. If you freeze it, you want to thaw it as fast as possible, perhaps figuring out how to cook it from frozen. I've also read that you should avoid browning or burning your food. Either one is good. Yes, this would. But if you were still able to eat it then without issues, my hunch would be that you do not have any histamine intolerances.

Out of curiosity, has anyone here attended a local keto carnivore meetup and met others in real life? I've seen these organized from time to time. When I scrape the web for the calendar application, I can even see that there are some groups that do this quarterly, regularly, etc. I've done several meetups in real life for other communities I have been involved with even going back to the 90's, but I have yet to attend one in the keto/carnivore diet sphere.

Welcome aboard @Angela Little! Keto aims to keep your daily carbohydrate intake to 20g of carbs or less. Keto also allows for some low carb veggies, a few nuts, and a few berries, as long as the days total stays under 20g of carbs. Most of what you eat will be meat-based foods of any kind, with a particular focus on fatty ruminant meats (beef, elk, lamb, etc) or fatty fish (salmon). Some animal-based foods such as butter and cheese are also acceptable. Carnivore takes everything to the next level, and basically attempts a zero carb approach (although eggs and some seafood does have some trace carbs in them), by eliminating the vegetables completely. You will eat any animal flesh, whether land, sea, or air. For more information, check out these 2 articles we have here.... A Brief Overview of the Various Low Carb Diets The Various Types of Carnivore Diets Breakfast Carnivore: Omellete filled with your choice of meat, and cheese if you are allowing it. Sour cream or cream cheese if you are allowing it, but read the label and make sure there is no added sugars. Keto: Same as above but add some green pepper, onion, or perhaps some salsa. Lunch Carnivore: Burger patties. Bacon. Cheese if you are allowing it. Keto: Same as above but add lettuce, a tomato slice, some mustard and some avocado mayonnaise. Dinner Carnivore: A fatty steak like a Striploin or Ribeye. Salt. Melted butter or tallow for dipping sauce. Keto: Same as above but add a small side of low carb green veggies, like brussel sprouts, asparugus, green beans, or a small side salad. For variety, I make my eggs different each morning. Some days are omelettes, some days are over easy, some days are scrambled, etc. Also, you can rotate your meats, have eggs at dinner, swap in fatty fish or even chicken, turkey, etc. The only caveat is if you choose a lean meat, you should probably serve bacon or butter or both with it because you do want the fat content. Hope this helps!

Welcome aboard @Orweller. We look forward to getting to know you and hearing about your successes 🙂

Welcome aboard Bonnie! Interesting. I had to look up hemp hearts. I can see why they help with leg cramps. The magnesium content is pretty rich. Here's what's in 30g of hemp hearts... Calories: 166 Fat: 14.6g Carbohydrates: 2.6g Fiber: 1.2g Sugars: 0.5g Protein: 9.5g Magnesium: 210 mg Potassium: 360 mg To get that much from beef you would need to eat at least 2.5 pounds of muscle meat, and liver doesn't really have that much more. This is why people like Dr. Shawn Baker and Dr. Anthony Chaffee don't need to supplement because they easily eat 3+ pounds of beef per day. I'm about half that, so I need to supplement. Maybe. Maybe not. I would be interested in knowing which plant defense chemicals are in it. And then, do those compounds in those quantities effect you? So I am currently using Zentastic 4-in-1 Magnesium complex. It has Magnesium Glycinate, Malate, Taurate, and Lactate. I've chosen this because these 4 forms of magnesium help with cramps, the heart, metabolism, and don't cause loose stools. Many keto-carnivores like an electrolyte drink mix called LMNT which has magnesium, sodium, chloride, and potassium in it. Others like Keto Chow Daily Minerals. One serving has 400mg of magnesium which is plenty. It taste like donkey though so you have to split the serving and hide in in other drinks throughout the day, lol. Wonderful! I hope you keep seeing improvements! Welcome to the community!

I reached for one of these while I was out at Home Depot today, but then when I read the label I put it back. Even though this image says 9 carbs, the stick I grabbed at the store said 10 carbs. Immediately I thought to myself "10 carbs? How on earth are there 10 carbs in this meat stick? Well, the 5th ingredient is soy flour, and the 6th ingredient is corn syrup. And it comes before the "contains less than 2% of" section. The 2g of sugars is the corn syrup sothe remaining 8g carbs come from the soy four. The entire stick is 55g. 10g are soy and corn syrup, and 2% (1.1g) makes up the rest of the stuff. That means only 43.9g is actually a combination of beef, pork, and mechanically separated chicken (basically chicken flesh that was blasted off the bone). This means a little over 20% (about 1/5th) of your Slim Jim is not meat at all.

I came across some interesting articles today. This one is called "Everything You Need to Know About Eating Bears" and discusses which bears are more tasty than others and shares 3 ways to prepare a tasty bear dish... https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/bear-meat/ And then there is this article that talks about how the "Bear Vending Machine [is a] Huge Hit in Japan... https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/bear-meat-vending-machine/ Has anyone ever eaten a bear? @Geezy - are you ready to up your hunting game? 😆

Depends how sick you are and what you are sick with. Since you said in your introduction post that your primary goal is losing weight, I think "Relaxed Carnivore" would be a fine place to start. I personally eased into carnivore gradually because I started doing low-carb / dirty keto again in March (low carb tortillas, breads, protein bars, sugar free jelly, etc.) and shortly after that started paying attention to Dr. Berry videos where he scoffed at so-called "keto" products and encouraged eating clean, just meat and veggies. So in April I dropped the processed "keto" foods and started eating clean keto. As the month went by, I started leaning towards ketovore because now I was consuming his YouTube content that talked about a carnivore diet. Being that I always believed in low carb, carnivore did make sense to me. Then in May when I broke my ankle, I went full carnivore - but usually in the "Relaxed Carnivore" category on that chart. I have done several stints of "Strict Carnivore" but I don't stick with it. I like my tea and I like my spices. So you could start in the left and transition to the right. Or you can jump right in wherever you are comfortable. Now if your "why" for doing carnivore was to reverse an auto-immune or chronic condition, then getting over to Lion Diet would definitely be the goal so you can eliminate everything for a while and then start adding things back in to test how you respond to them. But if weight loss is your primary motivation, then keto, ketovore, OR carnivore could be the sweet spot for you.

This discussion made me thing of this inforgraphic....

Yup. We recently wrote about all the variations... https://carnivoretalk.com/articles/carnivore-diet-resources/the-various-types-of-carnivore-diets-r11/ Which variation you pursue might depend on your overall metabolic health, your weight loss or health goals, your age, and your DNA. For those who adopt an Animal-based lifestyle, milk is carnivore because it is an animal product, and the same goes for honey. Many of these individuals still think "plants are trying to kill you" but not by means of their fruitage, and so they will eat seasonal fruit. We all agree that seed oils are the devil, lol. This might work well for you, especially if you are young and metabolically healthy and still keep your carbohydrates under 100g or so a day. Your "lower carb" but not necessarily ketogenic all the time. If you are wanting to heal health issues or lose weight, then a stricter form of carnivore is what you are after. No sugars. Zero carb. Just meat and salt. Some refuse spices while others will still enjoy them. It will often be recommended that you try Lion Diet (beef, salt, water) or "BBBE" (beef butter bacon and eggs) for 90 days as an elimination diet, and then slowly add in other meats, spices, etc, and see how you react. Regarding the ham and other cured meats, @Geezy explained it very well. For many of these, it was just in the brine solution that it soaked in and most of it rinsed off. That's why you will see "<1g carb" or "1 carb" but that is trivial compared to the donuts and candy you may have been putting down your pipe before. I eat beef jerky and processed meats, and I always make sure if less savory ingredients are on the label, that they come after the "contains less than 2% of....." portion at the end and it has 1 or <1 g of carbs/sugars. There's some beef jerky's where sugar or brown sugar is the 2nd ingredient and has 6 or more carbs per serving. Stay away from this. It's basically sugar glazed meat. I use avocado oil mayonnaise by Sir Kensington because I won't touch regular mayo anymore due to the seed oils. However, if I am out and about and don't have much choice, once in a blue moon isn't gonna kill me. After all, I've been slathering regular soybean oil mayo on my sandwiches for the last 48 years. I am okay with olive oil, coconut oil, and avocado oil too. I will occasionally still use jalapeno peppers and salsa when I simply need to satisfy a desire for something different. I've never been a big fan of olives, but I can eat them just fine. According to the animal-based people, the olive would be the fruitage and acceptable anyway. I also use mustard from time to time. Most restaurants will accommodate my special needs. But there are exceptions. For example, about once a month my family wants Mexican. If I just ask for meat then I feel like I am getting ripped off, so I will have a salad. They probably grill the fajita steak strips in seed oil, but again, it's a once in a blue moon thing and I'm not gonna die, lol. Also once a month the guy who works for me and I will go out for lunch. He's not big on fast food where I can just order beef patties and bacon, so he likes to go to Chipotle. I'll get a salad there also. I also drink hot tea in the morning and Zevia later in the day. So in a given month, I probably break true carnivore about for 3 or 4 meals. Two of them are salads. And then the occasional peppers and salsa. And right now I do eat a lot of processed meats because I pack a lunch and they make for easy packings. But I do think about getting a microwave for my tool trailer/truck so I can heat up some pure ground beef or leftover steaks instead. But even then, the pork rinds and beef sticks and cheese I eat all have pretty clean ingredients and I am still losing weight and have reverse some conditions while including them so they work for me.