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I had eggs and sausage in the morning. Sardines and some cheese for lunch. After work I had to be somewhere, so I didn't eat until I returned home just now and since it's so close to bedtime, I just warmed up a single beef sausage thingy (kinda looks like a kielbasa) with some mustard and a few pork rinds. Not very exciting or creative today

Ex-vegetarian hits rock bottom and tries the carnivore diet for a month ‘I’m never going back to a meatless existence.’ Amira Stevenson-Hynes 5 min read March 10, 2023 - 10:37AM Amira Stevenson-Hynes tries the controversial carnivore diet, eating only meat, eggs, raw animal-based dairy products, fruit and honey for a month. Do you remember last year when The Hills star Heidi Montag made headlines for her Instagram video of her chomping down on a raw cow’s liver in an effort to fall pregnant? (Let me remind you.) Well I followed the Montag-approved carnivore diet for a month and you might not believe it, but I think she’s onto something. There’s nothing like hitting rock bottom to open you up to trying new things. So when I found myself chronically bloated, iron deficient, suffering from endometriosis and depression, this ex-vegetarian was ready, willing and able to let meat back into my life in the hope it would cure all that ailed me. What is the carnivore diet? Doctor Paul Saladino, who calls himself carnivore MD, is one of the leading medical authorities of the carnivore diet. The carnivore diet he endorses consists of eating meat (nose to tail), eggs, raw animal-based dairy products, fruit and honey. Fed up with Western medicine, Saladino created the diet based on the diet of one of the last remaining hunter-gatherer tribes, the Hadza people of Tanzania. This tribe experiences almost no auto-immune disorders, obesity or diabetes; all of which are associated with the gut. Saladino claims this diet can be a cure-all for issues of the body, from fertility to depression, arthritis to erectile dysfunction. An important part of Saladino’s diet is consuming meat from 100% grass fed and finished sources to ensure the nutritional benefits you’re receiving are top-notch. Why aren’t vegetables included in the carnivore diet? Well, Saladino believes they aren’t actually good for you. He points to two studies to prove his point - the first which found raw and cooked vegetables ineffective against preventing cardiovascular disease and another that found both fruits and vegetables had no effect on oxidative DNA damage (one of the stimuli responsible for cancer development) and repair in healthy nonsmokers. Study-backed There’s no doubt this diet is controversial. It completely rejects mainstream medicine's ideas that vegetables are the leafy-green path to optimal health, grain-based fibre is a key to regularity and consuming large quantities of meat is a sure fire way to develop heart disease. However, a 2021 Harvard University study concluded, “Contrary to common expectations, adults consuming a carnivore diet experienced few adverse effects and instead reported health benefits and high satisfaction.” In the online self-reported study of 2029 participants over 6 months the average participant lost 20lbs, 100% of diabetic participants came off injectable medication and there was a 90% improvement in all patient’s diseases. Other notable findings include 85% of participants reporting better mental clarity, 69% reporting better sleep and 89% reporting higher energy levels. My experience on the carnivore diet Fair warning to any vegetarians out there who want to tango with meat again, be close to a toilet. Lucky for me, the meat shits (the diarrhea you experience after breaking vegetarianism) only lasted a single day but I’ve never been so close to soiling myself at work. From the moment the first bit of steak hit my lips I knew there was no turning back. After years of lethargy and generally poor health the almost instant energy that meat gave me was exactly what my body was craving. On the carnivore diet I experienced no bloating, regular bowel movements (excluding the day one diarrhea), increased levels of energy, a dramatic decrease in endometriosis symptoms and a slight decrease in depressive symptoms. My most recent blood test also shows my iron levels are back in the healthy range. However, these improvements didn’t come without sacrifice. The novelty of eating only meat, fruit, honey and raw animal-based products very quickly wears off. While cravings for my previous lovers that go by the names of sourdough bread, chocolate, pasta and teriyaki chicken sushi rolls lessened over time they did not go away. In addition to craving foods that would tickle my palette more than plain steak and apples ever could, there was the added sacrifice of not being able to eat in social settings. There is nothing quite as torturous as watching your friends dig into a delicious meal while you sit on the sidelines thinking about the plain hamburger patty you have waiting for you at home. It probably won’t come as a surprise that I also got some pretty weird reactions from people when I told them what I was doing. But their confusion turned to disbelief when it came to the organ meats of it all. Eating organs In the aforementioned organ eating instagram video Heidi Montag claims, “There are so many health benefits to eating liver and [other] animal organs,” and Dr. Saladino agrees. He touts organ meat's jam-packed nutritional benefits on his website for desiccated organ meat supplements and on social media. Since I wasn’t going to be getting any nutritional benefits from vegetables (or vegetables didn’t have them to begin with, depending on whether you believe the above studies) I decided I needed to give organ meats a go. I started with fried liver which can only be described as gross. I then moved on to cutting up little bits of liver and swallowing them like tablets to consume them without having to taste them, which worked well. But ultimately I settled on Dr. Saladino’s desiccated organ supplements as the least offensive and most effective way to consume animal organs daily. In addition to the carnivore diet, organ supplements have further increased my energy levels and made me even more regular for those of you (sickos) at home with vested interest in my bowel movements. My verdict When it comes to the billion dollar health and wellness industry it’s important to proceed with caution. Be skeptical about fix-all cures, doctors that claim to have it all figured out and diets as extreme as this one. I encourage anyone who is considering the carnivore diet to do their own research. For this ex-vegetarian, the carnivore diet has changed my life. Reintroducing meat has done wonders for my overall health. I’m sleeping, pooping, exercising, working and generally living better. The biggest sacrifice of this diet was missing out on social eating experiences. But after a month of eating strictly carnivore I incorporated a few social meals a week back into my diet, eating whatever I wanted for those meals. Thanks to my otherwise strictly carnivore diet and organ supplements, these meals have had little effect on my overall health. That being said, most weekday lunches and dinners you’ll still find me chowing down (tyrannosaurus rex-style) on a steak, some roast chicken or hamburger patties. Amira is a Sydney-born, New York-based freelance writer with a Bachelor of Communication (Media Arts and Production) from the University of Technology Sydney. Amira has five years of experience working in the TV/film industry and as a freelance writer in Australia and abroad. You can find her here. Source: https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/nutrition/exvegetarian-hits-rock-bottom-and-tries-the-carnivore-diet-for-a-month/news-story/59b6747ecaa0c69da08c49bb0141ff3b

Last night I had tilapia, salmon, and shrimp all cooked in a pan with butter. Tonight, I had 4 beef sliders made with this pre-pattied 80/20 ground beef we get at Sam's Club, along with a all-beef sausage that I also found there.

I haven't used ketone test strips since the 90's when I did Atkin's for the first time. They are supposed to be able to tell you if you are in ketosis as you will excrete excess ketones in your urine when your body breaks down fat for energy. They would be a visible marker that you are now burning fat instead of carbs. However, I've recently heard that when you become fully fat adapted, you will still be producing ketones and burning fat for energy, but they won't pill over into your urine anymore. So eventually nothing changes on the strip. There are ketone blood monitors that you can use that will pickup ketones in the blood. I haven't seen or used one but I imagine they are similar to a blood glucose monitor. Yeah, the cheesy corn and the German cake would have bumped you out of ketosis until those carbohydrates were used up. 2 days later and you are getting a reading again. From what I understand, you're good as long as you're reading something. It's not a matter of the darker the color the better or anything like that. You may see high readings at the outside, but they will naturally go down as you become fat adapted.

I hear you both. Before starting the carnivore diet, I though that going to a steakhouse was a treat. Now that I've perfected cooking it at home, going to a steakhouse seems like a ripoff, lol. That 12oz NY Strip for $25 costs me between $7 and $10 and I can make it just as good, lol.

It's can be a challenge to make one's mind over after decades of red meat being vilified by organization like the American Heart Association and the American Diabetes Association (who are pawns for the Big Food companies in the grain and agriculture industry). Of course, you can eat what you want, but many are surprised when they learn what's actually in beef. of course, your chicken is nutritious also.

Bringing up "mother" is an interesting point. I can't think of many mothers in modern times, or even ones raising a child 80 years ago, who didn't start their child on mashed fruits and mashed vegetables as an introduction to solid food. But he did say he hasn't knowingly ate a vegetable. He could have been one of those picky kids and his mother would play short-order cook to him. My wife did the same with our boy, making him something different from the rest of us. Drove me crazy actually because I was raise where you weren't getting down from the table until you choked down everything on your plate.

Welcome aboard! The carnivore diet community is definitely a unique niche community, but it's growing in popularity. While it may be labeled as a fad diet or extreme diet, it's actually backed by tons of science and research. I'm still learning more and more myself.

Yeah, each time I have done it now has been from Friday dinner to Saturday dinner. Tea and electrolytes and even just water helps. I'm going to try and make this a routine in that same time slot every weekend for a while.

Yes, I'm a forum junkie. I got hooked on them in the mid 90's when I got my WebTV and discovered UseNet. I'm still on a dozen or so today. Many are gone or ghost towns but there are still many that are alive and well. Welcome to Carnivore Talk. We're less than 2 months old so we're young but growing.

Yes, me too. This is completely understandable. I work in construction and whenever my coworker starts eating his lunch I can't help but get hungry too. I can skip breakfast but watching him eat, coupled with our hard work, will do me in, lol. Yes it does. Starting at about the 18 hour mark, your body begins autophagy, that is, it starts breaking down it's own cells and tissues for energy. But the body is smart and it goes after damaged tissue, dead cells, fat cells, etc, and keeps your muscles and organs safe. The result is a cleansing/purifying effect. The concept may sound strange today, but this was regular practice in times past.

View File Ketogenic diet and prevention of high‑frequency episodic migraines Migraine is the second world’s cause of disability. Among non-pharmacological treatments, nutritional intervention, particularly ketogenic diet, represents one of the most promising approaches. Submitter Bob Submitted 10/07/2023 Category Research Studies  

This was an interesting video to watch... https://edition.cnn.com/videos/sports/2023/10/05/al-michaels-vegetables-wallace-wtcw-cprog-vpx.cnn I'll have to remember to look this up on Max tomorrow or over the weekend. He sure looks healthy for 78 😉

Welcome Savannah! I agree Jimmy John's is a great option for keto and ketovore dieters and there are many times that I have had their JJ Gargantuan Unwich. I also love Texas Roadhouse and touted it as my favorite steakhouse for years until recently I became more fond of Longhorn Steakhouse. Although since switching to a mostly carnivore diet I just cook steaks at home now. It's weird that what used to be a treat is now my staple, lol. A little FYI about Texas Roadhouse though. The one near me let's you watch the cooks preparing food as you are waiting for a table. I would see them take a ladel of oil and put it on the flat grill and then put the raw steak on it. Then they would dump another ladel over top. I asked them what they were pouring on the steak and they told me it was a vegetable seed oil. I think they said rice oil. Well, seed oils are not good for you, so now when I go to Texas Roadhouse I tell them to just cook it over the open flame and that I absolutely cannot have my steak touch any seed oils. They are happy to oblige and it still tastes fantastic when it is simply grilled the proper way. Other Keto options usually include a salad from just about anywhere. For carnivore options, any steak and seafood place. If I am in a hurry, Wendy's will let you order sides of large beef patty and bacon and it is actually very fresh and tasty and remarkably cheap.

He was speaking to Robert, aka @carnivore23 who started the topic, and not to me, lol.

I do think it takes about 6 weeks for the body to get used to carnivore. Keto dieters will call this becoming "fat adapted". You'll experience the "keto flu" for the first half of that period and maybe keto breath, both of which is temporary, and for some it takes that long until your stool becomes normal again. Weight loss could start happening within the first few days though. As soon as you have used up all your glycogen (the carbs stored in your muscles and liver) your body switches over to ketosis, burning fat for energy. This will be both the fat you consume and if needed, the fat you have stored.

Hello Mary, Since you mentioned scurvy in particular, let's answer this with scurvy in mind. You only need 10mg a day to prevent scurvy. And meat actually does contain some vitamin C but in small quantities. For example, grain-fed beef has 1.6 mg of vitamin C per 100g, and grass-fed beef has 2.53 mg of vitamin C per 100g. Organ meats are superfoods and have a lot more vitamin C. If you do the math, if you were to only eat grain-fed beef, 2 pounds of beef a day would give you 14.5 mg of vitamin C which is more than the scurvy threshold. There's much more than can be said about Vitamin C, such as why humans on a carnivore diet don't need as much, and more. But the simple answer to the scurvy concern is that there is enough Vitamin C in meat to alleviate any concerns about coming down with scurvy.

If Ozempic Makes People Eat Less, Maker of Cheez-It Will Be Ready Kellanova prepared for mitigation if needed, Cahillane says Former Kellogg Co. just completed separation from cereal arm By Deena Shanker October 2, 2023 at 2:23 PM UTC Diabetes drug Ozempic and other appetite-suppressing medications are set to help overweight Americans cut down on their calorie intake. US food companies are unlikely to sit idly by. “We’re by no means complacent,” Kellanova Chief Executive Officer Steve Cahillane said in an interview Monday. The recently renamed Kellogg Co. just completed its separation from its North American cereal business, now called WK Kellogg Co. Kellanova is a global snacking company, with brands like Cheez-It, Pringles and Rice Krispies Treats. Snack consumption is on the rise and is expected to continue growing. Cahillane called it “very, very early days” for the drug but said the company was studying its potential impact on dietary behaviors so it could respond if necessary. “Like everything that potentially impacts our business, we’ll look at it, study it and, if necessary, mitigate,” Cahillane said, emphasizing that it was premature to make predictions. Discussing how his business has responded to similar threats, Cahillane pointed to the UK’s High Fat Sugar Salt regulations, which restricted how certain foods could be marketed. In response, the company changed its formulations and merchandising strategies, Cahillane said. “What happened is, our business wasn’t affected,” he said. Although prescriptions for these drugs skyrocketed 300% from 2020 to 2022, it’s still too early to know how they will affect consumer behaviors like eating habits on a large scale. Ozempic is made by Novo Nordisk A/S. Last week, an analyst report from Jefferies said Kellogg was among the snack makers with the most potential exposure but noted that the firm couldn’t yet measure any volume shift. Kellanova is looking at potential penetration levels in both the US and other markets, he said. “Who’s gonna cover it? Who’s gonna be on it? Do they stay on it?” he said, listing questions the company will try to answer. “There’s growing stories about the secondary effects of it, so we’re studying that,” he added. — With assistance by Madison Muller Article Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-02/with-ozempic-weight-loss-looming-kellanova-s-ceo-says-snack-maker-is-ready Source is behind a paywall, but was able to be read using the SmartNews app.

Nice. Now that I have finally done a 24 hour fast, I think it's going to be easier to do another one. I am probably going to aim for Friday dinner to Saturday dinner as I think that will work best for me. Last week's ordeal with the bad steak, stomachache, and unintentional fast broke my plateau, which I am pleased with. I plateau for weeks at a time, and then drop a few, then plateau again, then drop some more, etc. But while I have been on my plateau I still moved up another notch on my belt, which is pretty sweet 😄 I feel the same way. Currently, I might "cheat" with a salad or side of vegetables every 2-3 weeks of I go out. When I reach my target weight, I will probably go ketovore and still be very meat-centric.

Welcome Patrik 🙂 Yes, it sounds like you are doing just fine. When I started carnivore, I would also do 2 meals a day. Brunch would be 4-6 eggs with breakfast meat and dinner would a pound of beef, ground or steak, and occasionally I would mix things up and do seafood or chicken. If I did seafood or chicken I also prepared bacon because much seafood and chicken is simply too lean and not enough fat for me. I still had my tea in the morning and I do take a few supplements. I was probably clocking in at 2000 calories, give or take. After a while my weight loss plateaued, and so I started minimizing cheese. A couple doctors have easy acronyms for their 30/90 day challenges. Dr. Berry calls his BBBE, which stands for beef, butter, bacon, and eggs. Dr. Kiltz calls his B.E.B.B.I.I.S. (pronounces "Babies") which stands for Bacon, Eggs, Butter, Beef, Ice Cream, Intermittent Fasting, Salt (Dr. Kiltz has a "carnivore ice cream" recipe). Then there is the Lion Diet, which is limited to ruminant animals only (no chicken, pork, or seafood). A lot of carnivore's still enjoy a cup of coffee. The raw egg and butter is still carnivore so you are okay there. But if this is independent of your brunch and you're attempting intermittent fasting, the raw egg is likely breaking the fast. But it doesn't sound like you are intermittent fasting. All in all it sounds like you are doing great!

When I started strict carnivore, back in May when I broke my ankle, I practiced intermittent fasting with two means a day. This was about a 16/8 or 17/7 interval, eating at noon, and then again between 7 and 8pm. Some mornings I really longed for noon because I was hungry, lol. I finally pulled off my first 24 hour fast. It was 25 hours to be exact. The last time I ate was at 3pm yesterday, and I just ate again at 4pm today. I may have had a little help with a steak that I ate which probably should have been tossed in the trash Wednesday night. It started to affect me Thursday but Friday was worse. I didn't eat until 3pm and that was all I had. I didn't have any desire to eat the rest of the day. I stopped intermittent fasting when I returned to work, but I think I might want to put it back into practice. Either that or keep pulling off 24 hour fasts once a week. Have you or do you practice intermittent fasting?

Hello BrowniePoints 🙂 I don't see how it would interfere with the process. I imagine you will simply burn up your carbohydrate stores faster. Once they are used up your body has to switch to burning ketones. You might find yourself weak or fatigued and having massive carb cravings during the time it takes your body to switch over from a carb burning machine to a fat burning machine, but once it does you'll feel fine again.