CARNIVORE PARADOX: WHY HUMANS CANNOT BE CARNIVORE LIFE LONG

Ty for posting this. I watched some of it. It not making a lot of sense. But again ty

I never totally gave up milk (some dairy) except for in the very beginning of switching to carnivore. I learned about the diet on one evening and started a strict carnivore approach the next morning. So much so, I didn't realize that the majority of the salt in my diet was coming from the processed crap I was eating. I got off on both hydration and electrolytes the first week or so. The first videos I watched trying to learn a little more were somewhere between "anti-milk to every so often but not recommended". I ditched the milk altogether for a stretch.

Then over time I started back with a glass here and a glass there. For me, if I were losing weight between a 1/2 to 1 pound per day all it would take was a glass or two of milk and I was immediately in a "stall". Back when weight loss was the only real goal I had with carnivore I spaced the milk out when I did drink a glass. One glass I would get a lull in the weight loss and a second glass during that lull put the brakes on any weight loss, and at times adding a pound or so back.

Fast forward to trying to build muscle while still on the carnivore diet I started drinking more milk. I use it to mix protein powder to get the protein grams per pound up. I'm still strict on what I eat with zero fruits and zero vegetables and the sugar I eat is limited to the milk and the protein supplements. I sort of semi-cycle on and off the protein supplements, somewhere around monthly. The milk goes along with that.

I have added some muscle and lost a lot of fat but still have some visceral fat I would like to lose but feel like I am in a pretty good spot. In early '24 I was over 320 and have been as low as 210 and now bounce around between 215 and 221. (with milk and protein). The monthly fasting drops my weight several pounds close to the 210 mark and then I eat, supplement and drink milk back to >215. Some muscle and some fat.

I feel like milk is working for me.

Scott

The good doctor is just flat wrong on this one. Eating dairy does not mean you aren’t carnivore. Anyone who thinks that doesn’t understand carnivore and knows little to nothing about the animal kingdom.

Agreed.

I am pretty sure I have been carnivore the last 19 months. When I got rid of all the other garbage in my diet it is really easy to see the effects of what I do eat. I feel better on longer stretches of red meats. Pork is not as satiating for me as red meat and I can eat more chicken/pork per sitting than I can red meat. I found that milk will put the brakes on weight loss for me but haven't had any other ill effects from drinking milk. (and I like it too)

I morphed all that into my current eating habits.

I call it carnivore. Maybe I'm off the mark to some. LOL

Scott

3 hours ago, Scott F. said:

I call it carnivore. Maybe I'm off the mark to some. LOL

No, you are not off the mark.

To start with nearly all of the carnivore advocates state that eating dairy is still carnivore because it comes from an animal.

Carnivores can be categorized by the importance meat plays in their overall diet:

• A Hypercarnivore or Obligate Carnivore is an animal that derives more than 70% of its calorie intake from animal foods.  

• A Mesocarnivore derives about 50% of essential nutrients from animal foods in order to survive.  

• Animals whose diet is only about 30% meat are called Hypocarnivores. 

• Finally, Facultative Carnivores, the category in which humans belong, prioritize the consumption of animal foods but can survive (but not thrive) on vegetables.  Wolves and dogs are also facultative carnivores.

Where the doctor really goes off the rails is when he states that you can’t be a carnivore if you consume dairy but then states that all mammals eat dairy. 🥴 Are not all cats considered carnivore? Are not most carnivores mammals? This guy makes no sense.

I still eat dairy every now and then but mostly it'll be for it's sheer fat content.

I have a little milk here and there.

In fact I had some milk earlier.

It's not ideal since it will be triggering the randle cycle aka making you fat.

Edited December 5, 2025Dec 5 by Jamie Henry Brown

8 hours ago, Jamie Henry Brown said:

It's not ideal since it will be triggering the randle cycle aka making you fat.

Never been a problem for me. It helps me keep weight on. As long as one is staying as minimal carb as possible then the Randle Cycle shouldn’t be an issue I’d think.

I think that is where I fall as well. I have seen milk trigger a stall and when weight loss was a goal I limited the milk for the most part. I don't think I ever totally eliminated it but I can see where it could be a problem. It is indeed nature's weight gainer as that is what the good lord intended it for, to grow babies. (and it will 'grow' adults as well, the difference being babies grow up and adults grow out)

I have some pounds to go with visceral fat and some body composition. I actually started drinking more milk to head off some weight loss a few months ago, and it worked. I stalled my weight loss around 95lbs and gained about 10 back to bounce around the 85–90-pound total loss since starting carnivore.

I'm using it now a little more often but not like it is a staple of my daily food intake.

Sometimes, I simply like a glass of milk.

Scott

14 hours ago, Geezy said:

Never been a problem for me. It helps me keep weight on. As long as one is staying as minimal carb as possible then the Randle Cycle shouldn’t be an issue I’d think.

True

Less carbs + fat together and the randle cycle isn't activated as much.

In an ideal world we would have zero carbs but realistically we do get a little carbs due to the small amount of glycogen in meat.

Or in the case of milk lactose.

A non issue for most people.

I understand, only fasting (water only) is truely Zero carb. Eating BBBE and coffee is generally referred to as Zero carb. Is how i eat 98% of the time. When it comes to dairy, only butter for me. Just about everything else shiw a blood Glucose rise on my CGM. And yes I do respond in many ways as a T1D. To me butter is a cooking fat. Just have I w it is for me.