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I never totally gave up milk (some dairy) except for in the very beginning of switching to carnivore. I learned about the diet on one evening and started a strict carnivore approach the next morning. So much so, I didn't realize that the majority of the salt in my diet was coming from the processed crap I was eating. I got off on both hydration and electrolytes the first week or so. The first videos I watched trying to learn a little more were somewhere between "anti-milk to every so often but not recommended". I ditched the milk altogether for a stretch.

Then over time I started back with a glass here and a glass there. For me, if I were losing weight between a 1/2 to 1 pound per day all it would take was a glass or two of milk and I was immediately in a "stall". Back when weight loss was the only real goal I had with carnivore I spaced the milk out when I did drink a glass. One glass I would get a lull in the weight loss and a second glass during that lull put the brakes on any weight loss, and at times adding a pound or so back.

Fast forward to trying to build muscle while still on the carnivore diet I started drinking more milk. I use it to mix protein powder to get the protein grams per pound up. I'm still strict on what I eat with zero fruits and zero vegetables and the sugar I eat is limited to the milk and the protein supplements. I sort of semi-cycle on and off the protein supplements, somewhere around monthly. The milk goes along with that.

I have added some muscle and lost a lot of fat but still have some visceral fat I would like to lose but feel like I am in a pretty good spot. In early '24 I was over 320 and have been as low as 210 and now bounce around between 215 and 221. (with milk and protein). The monthly fasting drops my weight several pounds close to the 210 mark and then I eat, supplement and drink milk back to >215. Some muscle and some fat.

I feel like milk is working for me.

Scott

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Agreed.

I am pretty sure I have been carnivore the last 19 months. When I got rid of all the other garbage in my diet it is really easy to see the effects of what I do eat. I feel better on longer stretches of red meats. Pork is not as satiating for me as red meat and I can eat more chicken/pork per sitting than I can red meat. I found that milk will put the brakes on weight loss for me but haven't had any other ill effects from drinking milk. (and I like it too)

I morphed all that into my current eating habits.

I call it carnivore. Maybe I'm off the mark to some. LOL

Scott

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3 hours ago, Scott F. said:

I call it carnivore. Maybe I'm off the mark to some. LOL

No, you are not off the mark.

To start with nearly all of the carnivore advocates state that eating dairy is still carnivore because it comes from an animal.

Carnivores can be categorized by the importance meat plays in their overall diet:

  • A Hypercarnivore or Obligate Carnivore is an animal that derives more than 70% of its calorie intake from animal foods.  

  • A Mesocarnivore derives about 50% of essential nutrients from animal foods in order to survive.  

  • Animals whose diet is only about 30% meat are called Hypocarnivores. 

  • Finally, Facultative Carnivores, the category in which humans belong, prioritize the consumption of animal foods but can survive (but not thrive) on vegetables.  Wolves and dogs are also facultative carnivores.

Where the doctor really goes off the rails is when he states that you can’t be a carnivore if you consume dairy but then states that all mammals eat dairy. 🥴 Are not all cats considered carnivore? Are not most carnivores mammals? This guy makes no sense.

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