I almost never buy lunchmeat so mark me safe from this salmonella

It's been a busy week, so I'm catching up on a few photos I took....

New York Strip and lightly seared Beef Liver...

Leftover taco seasoned ground beef with scrambled eggs and pork sausage links...

Keto soft taco and quesadilla with salsa and jalapenos in an Egg Life wrap...

Here's a pic of the quesadilla before I put the top on. I have an occasional "mostly carnivore but not quite" meal every once in a while.

Meat Products Are Being Pulled From Sam's Club Stores And Food Inspectors Are 'Concerned' They're Still In Homes

Story by Julia DeKorte

ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.shefinds.com/collections/meat-products-pulled-from-sams-club/

Busseto brand Charcuterie Samplers are being pulled from shelves due to Salmonella contamination. The affected products were sold across multiple Sam’s Club locations in Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, and Texas.

Health officials reported the recall last week. Read on for more details, including exactly which products the recall includes and what to do if you’ve purchased them.

busseto charcuterie samplers© Busseto

Busseto Charcuterie Sampler Recall

After one Minnesotan reported feeling ill in December after eating a Busseto brand Charcuterie Sampler purchased at Sam's Club, health officials from the Minnesota Department of Agriculture did some testing.

They collected an unopened package of the Charcuterie Sampler that contained prosciutto, sweet sopressata, and dry coppa and performed a test that indicated the product was contaminated with Salmonella. Fratelli Beretta USA, Inc., the parent company, is now recalling 11,097 pounds of the product.

The affected product has a LOT number of L075330300 with an expiration date of April 27, 2024. The product also has an establishment number of EST.7543B and EST. #47967.

The Minnesota Department of Agriculture notified the USDA Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS), which announced the recall. According to the health officials, "there is concern that consumers may still have the product in their homes because of its long shelf life."

If you have purchased one of these products, do not consume it and throw it out immediately.

It's alarming for sure. Things like Barley Malt, Malt, Muscovado, Panela, and more sound like they would be grains, oils, or liquor, lol. And then D-ribose, Diatase, and Maltodextrin sound like preservatives. And then Ethyl Maltol, Maltol, Saccharose sound like artificial sweeteners when they are not.

6 hours ago, Steven2023 said:

Aren't they on the pricy side? I'd love to try some myself.

They cost me $5.88/lb, which is still probably better than normal ground beef at the local grocery store...

https://www.samsclub.com/p/members-mark-ground-wagyu-beef-3-lbs/P03018638?xid=plp_product_1

@Angela Little Here's a couple videos specific to the hair loss issue....

4 hours ago, Orweller said:

That's what they told me! Never came back after all these years! 

LOL! Mine is long gone. I shave it all off because I am just not ready for that white horseshoe look, lol. 

4 hours ago, Angela Little said:

Okay and I knew that it happen, my hair has started to shed, what may help? 
 

Don’t want to be  

So this can happen on any diet, or with any sudden change in lifestyle. You won't lose it all, and it will grow back. It is only temporary.

There are 2 reasons that are the most likely, and both of them can be addressed by eating more.

1) Rapid weight loss is a stressor, and stress can cause hair loss. If you have lost a lot of weight really fast, this might be why.

2) Lack of protein. If you are portion controlling and undereating, this could be a problem.

If you are not tracking your macros, I would start now. There is a free app called Carb Manager that is very useful for this. You want to eat at least 0.8 to 1.0 grams of protein for every pound of your ideal body weight. For example, I want to weight 165, so my goal is to consume between 132 to 165 grams of protein per days. Then I want to match or exceed that with my fat intake.

132 protein *4 = 528 calories
132 fat *9 = 1716 calories

165g protein *4 = 660 calories
165g fat *9 = 1485 calories.

Add them up and my total calorie intake should be approximately 1716 to 2145 calories. 

In past threads you've mentioned eating once and not being hungry for the rest of the day. That's fine if it was a big meal. Some people eat one meal a day and pound down 2-3 pounds of meat and eggs and 2000-3000 calories in one sitting. I personally can't do that. I eat twice a day, combining my 3 meals into 2. 

8 hours ago, Geezy said:

Is he saying that they used to believe that fat causes obesity and now they are changing their theory to say that fructose is the real cause?

The article acknowledges that there are 2 camps. Camp #1 believes fat makes you fat. Camp #2 believes carbs and high insulin levels make you fat. Dr. Johnson thinks it's both....

10 hours ago, Bob said:

the new hypothesis acknowledges the carbohydrate-insulin model that prioritizes carbs as the main trigger for weight gain.

We would agree with this, since we are in the keto-carnivore camp.

But Dr. Johnson says...

10 hours ago, Bob said:

"Fructose is what triggers our metabolism to go into low power mode and lose our control of appetite, but fatty foods become the major source of calories that drive weight gain."

Basically this means that sugar (or carbs) is a 2 edged sword. It drops our metabolism and makes us crave more food. Then a person overindulges and gains weight. Fatty foods is thrown in there because you can't have an article raising concerns about carbohydrates without villainizing fat because that's the status quo, lol.

For someone on the standard American/Western diet, this is very plausible. If you chug sugar and then wash it down with a fatty steak, your cells will already be full and therefore will shut their doors to any more energy (resistance) and it will turn to fat stores.

Speaking of burgers. I made 3 patties out of a pound of Wagyu beef that I picked up from Sam's. Wagyu is a breed of cattle, and it's known for being very marbled and therefore super tender. These burgers were extremely high in fat content. I would guess they were 70/30.

Anyway, I pattied them up and fried them in a pan, searing both sides and then melted some American cheese over top. And I swear to you these were the most juicy, best tasting burgers I have ever had.

Usually I buy the 85/15 grass fed beef (for tacos and other stuff). But I will be making all my burgers moving forward with these Wyagu packs as for as long as Sam's keeps selling them.

Thanks for the update and I am really glad you found the culprit behind those alarmingly high levels. 

I'll add some tags to this topic so it can be easily found in the future.

16 hours ago, Geezy said:

How about some carnivore nachos.
Pork rinds, chorizo and cheese.

Does the pork rinds stay crunchy under the toppings?

And is that just shredded cheese? Do you do anything special to melt it?

I occasionally go to a restaurant for a seafood boil. We're about to try and do our own again here soon. We did over summer once and it was just okay but we have some new advice and recipes in mind to try. We get our seafood at the store, whether a regular store or a bulk warehouse club like Sam's Club. Tilapia, Mahi Mahi, Salmon, Snow Crab legs, Lobster tail, Shrimp, Scallops, and more. The lean fish get the butter treatment, lol. 

Fructose puts the body in low-power mode, fueling obesity

Story by Chrissy Sexton

Fructose puts the body in low-power mode, fueling obesity© Provided by Earth

While Western diets are undoubtedly linked with an increased risk of obesity, health experts have long debated over what exactly is driving the surge in weight issues. Is it the excessive calories, carbohydrates, or fat in these foods? 

A new study led by Dr. Richard Johnson of CU Anschutz offers a unique perspective that converges these varying theories around one central figure: fructose.

The role of fructose 

The paper brings forward a compelling argument that resonates with multiple theories. According to the researchers, the key issue driving obesity is fructose. This sugar is found in table sugar and high fructose corn syrup, and is also produced within our body from carbohydrates like glucose.

The science behind the study is simple. As the body breaks down fructose, it depletes the active energy, referred to as ATP (adenosine triphosphate). This reduced energy level triggers hunger and increased food consumption.

The fructose survival hypothesis

The "fructose survival hypothesis" introduced by Dr. Johnson integrates the energy balance theory, which implies that excessive food intake, especially fat, is the root cause of obesity. At the same time, the new hypothesis acknowledges the carbohydrate-insulin model that prioritizes carbs as the main trigger for weight gain.

"Essentially, these theories, which put a litany of metabolic and dietary drivers at the center of the obesity epidemic, are all pieces of a puzzle unified by one last piece: fructose," said Dr. Johnson. "Fructose is what triggers our metabolism to go into low power mode and lose our control of appetite, but fatty foods become the major source of calories that drive weight gain."

Hibernating animals

Dr. Johnson said we can look to hibernating animals as an example: when we're hungry and low on active energy, we go into survival mode. Just as bears consume high-fructose fruits to prepare for winter hibernation, humans' energy levels dip when consuming fructose-rich foods. 

Even though fat is a reservoir of stored energy, high-fructose foods prevent the utilization of this stored energy, leading to a state that is comparable to a bear gearing up for winter.

Reimagining obesity

The most radical insight this theory presents is the conceptualization of obesity. "This theory views obesity as a low-energy state," said Dr. Johnson. "Identifying fructose as the conduit that redirects active energy replacement to fat storage shows that fructose is what drives energy imbalance, which unites theories."

While this research offers a new direction for addressing obesity, further research is needed to conclusively confirm the findings and to identify more targeted preventions. 

The study is published in the journal Obesity

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Welcome to our community, and welcome to healthy nutritious eating

8 minutes ago, Ryan said:

1) Do you have to do a lot of workouts on carnivore diet, or is it OK to do when you don't work out a ton?

No. I am not much of an exercise person. In fact, I was in the middle of keto when I broke my ankle, and on that very day I decided to start carnivore. I was sedentary for the next 2 months and still dropped 10 more pounds. It wasn't water weight either, because I had already been losing weight when I made the transition.

If you are a very large person, it is even recommended to wait until you have lost some weight before starting any vigorous exercise routine so you don't injure yourself. 

22 minutes ago, Ryan said:

2) When you're new to the diet, what things should you watch out for to know if the diet is working well for you or causing issues?

We would anticipate that you will lose weight if you are overweight. If you experience inflammation and pain related to such, this should start to go down as well. If you suffer from auto-immune or chronic conditions these may also go away over time (not immediately, per se). 

Issues you might face are the "keto flu" which is a run down feeling while your body transitions from being a glucose burner to a fat burner. Some people experience oxylate dumping. I'm personally not too familiar with it myself. 

If you have issues with certain meats or eggs, there is usually a reason and a workaround. 

29 minutes ago, Ryan said:

What is the best way to get the calorie count up? My calorie count has been really low but I've been full when I eat. Does the calorie count matter if you're full at your meals?

Butter, lol.

This is somewhat different for each person. Calorie restricting and portion control can cause your body's metabolism to go down. Our advice to the beginner is to eat 3 meals a day with no snacking in-between, and to eat until you are full and comfortably satisfied but not stuffed to the point of agony.

Some of us, in time, take advantage of that feeling of not being hungry and start intermittent fasting, eating only 2 meals a day instead of 3. 

I personally eat about 2000 calories or so a day, split between 2 meals.

We're here to help. Hope this was informative, even it was brief.

On 1/7/2024 at 12:24 AM, Jen said:

Why would changing my diet in this way make this infection clear up so fast?

Well, it could be you are improving your immune system as Geoff stated.

Alternatively, do you have periodontitis? Last year I was diagnosed with it by my dentist. It's when deep gum pockets form around your tooth, from the gums basically pulling away from the teeth. Food and bacteria can get trapped in these pockets and fester. Sometimes this is the cause of a gum abscess. A dentist isn't equipped to deal with this and will refer you to a periodontist. This problem is caused by a poor diet and subsequent poor oral hygiene. 

However, when you eat carnivore, or mostly carnivore, or meat-based keto/ketovore like you describe, you are doing your mouth a favor. You are no longer eating sugar and things that immediately turn to sugar (like bread and grain) which that oral bacteria love. You may have heard that fossils of humans before the advent of agriculture have perfect teeth, and fossils of humans post agriculture have missing teeth, cavities, smaller jaws, etc. 

So it could be that you are eating healthier and less of the bad stuff that the bacteria thrive on, so the quantity of that bacteria is much lower, and therefore easier for your body to fight off. You may have bolstered your immune system by eating right also, and it may be a combination of both these things.

Of course, we're just taking an educated guess here. But I'm glad to hear you are experiencing some benefits of your healthy choices.  

On 1/7/2024 at 1:08 AM, Jen said:

Has anyone else experienced this kind of skin issue and attributed it to oxalates?

I have not, but does it look like what is being shown here? This video link should start you at the 26:46 mark where they start talking about skin and in about 20 seconds after this they will put up some pictures...

11 minutes ago, MissLaceyD said:

Anyone else love chicken?

I like chicken. Last night I had 10 wings/legs from a local pizza place with regular hot buffalo sauce. We were at a friends house playing cards and suddenly they all wanted a pizza, so i had to figure out what I could eat, lol. This was as carnivore as I could stay in the moment. 

I have no idea what was in the sauce, and I'm willing to bet that they were deep fried in seed oils, but it is what it is and this is a rare situation for me so I don't fret about it.

When I make chicken at home, there is usually bacon to go along with it so I get some fat in.

17 hours ago, Jen said:

The first 3 months of my pregnancy were horrendous, I was basically bed bound, nauseous and vomiting all day every day and found out I was seriously anemic when I got blood tests.

Sounds like my wife. She had hyperemesis gravidarum for both pregnancies. It's basically an allergy to a hormone produced during pregnancy. She vomited multiple times a day for weeks and weeks and ended up having to take a motion sickness medication to suppress it. When it came time to give birth, she actually weighed less than at the start of her term. She was even told a 3rd pregnancy might kill her, because it get's worse with each one.

On 1/7/2024 at 11:10 AM, Geezy said:

To me the one on the right, pink shirt

The other guy looks weaker to me.

This is exactly how it looks to me too. The shirts are probably green for the vegetable guy and pink for the omnivore guy, lol. But yes, the vegan does not look healthier at all.

On 1/7/2024 at 6:29 AM, Orweller said:

My remaining concerns on this diet are calcium, vitamin E, vitamin A. Not highly concerned, but watching it. 

Vitamin E is in seafood. 

Vitamin A is in liver, fish, and cheeses.

Calcium is in cheese, yogurt, and canned sardines and canned salmon (with the bones).

17 hours ago, Jen said:

I eventually got off my butt and turned the chicken breasts I’d bought into carnivore flour,,, new and improved chaffle

That's something else I will have to try. I think Carnivore Crisps makes carnivore flour, but it seemed a bit steep and pricey. 

When I was keto I had found a way to make a 'fathead's pizza crust' using almond flour, eggs, and shredded cheese. It was a perfect substitution for regular pizza crust unlike the cauliflower or zucchini crust options. I've made a pizza crust with ground chicken too but it was just okay - but my chicken was not a powder/flour consistency. Now I am curious if that would make the difference.

Mike and Matt were both participants in a Stanford study featured in the new Netflix propaganda piece ... er... docuseries entitled "You Are What You Eat," which compared eight weeks of healthy, omnivore meals with eight weeks of healthy, vegan plans in 22 sets of identical twins.

As expected, the one who was vegan for 8 weeks lost weight and lowered his cholesterol, which is, of course, a big DUH! Of course this is what we would expect. The omnivore maintained his weight. Here's an article about it...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/identical-twins-tried-plant-based-and-omnivore-diets-the-vegan-lost-20-pounds-here-are-his-4-top-takeaways-from-the-experience/ar-AA1my9ks?

The propaganda not only wants you to believe that the vegan looks healthier, but literally says that in that 8 weeks, he even aged slower, lol. 

So out of curiousity, which one of the men in the picture above looks healthier to you? Matt in the green shirt? Or Mike in the pink shirt?

21 hours ago, Flagrammie55 said:

Thinking of doing Keto diet for a month. Then doing a Carnivore  for 60 days. Mostly as elimination diet. My Gfr is 63. Has anyone heard of people having worsening Kidney  function on these diets? 

 

Welcome aboard @Flagrammie55 

I have Stage 4 Chronic Kidney Disease which I had BEFORE I started keto and carnivore. I have documented by experience as a carnivore with CKD 4 in this topic...

https://carnivoretalk.com/topic/69-stage-4-chronic-kidney-disease-and-the-carnivore-diet/

The key takeaway is that when you eat meat, you produce more creatinine (protein waste). Creatinine is used to calculate eGFR, so it will give the appearance that you are doing damage to your kidneys, even when this isn't the case. You should start getting Cystatin C tests to calculate eGFR as well as some other markers that will assure you that you are just fine - because the standard eGFR tests will spook you. 

1 hour ago, MissLaceyD said:

have a peak at the electric lunch boxes... It does take longer than a microwave, but it seals in the steam better than a microwave. 

You're the second person to mention these, so I definitely will. We usually break around noon, and it would be easy to bring this thing in 30-60 minutes earlier and plug it in.