44 minutes ago, EczemaNoMore said:

yes have to adjust but I never had these issues really with carbs

Your microbiome is changing. The gut bacteria that used to feed on those carbs are going, "YO! Where's da sugar? Where's my fiber?". They will gradually decrease in number and the gut bacteria that loves the beef will increase in number.

I'll try to search more later. Currently a quick web search is just turning up results for anxiety after eating in general...

https://www.bing.com/search?q=anxiety+after+eating+fat

What was your diet before 5 days ago, before you started carnivore? How did you used to feel about eating saturated fats and fatty red meat? How do you feel about it now? Are you concerned about what others might think of your new diet?

I ask those questions because maybe you have "situational anxiety", a temporary anxiety that revolves around an event or scenario and usually passes once the situation resolves. Family, relationship, or friendship difficulties can cause situational anxiety. Most of us have been beaten with the message that meat and fat is bad for us and will give us a heart attack. Are you eating carnivore now, but in the back of your mind you are worrying if you are doing the right thing?
 

I still think that since you are only 5 days in, you are still in your adaptation stage and still have some transitioning to go. Your microbiome is going to change. Research suggests that disruption to your microbiome can contribute to symptoms of anxiety....

https://www.mdpi.com/2039-7283/7/4/987

For starters, can you give a rundown on what your typical day of eating consists of, including beverages, seasonings, and supplements? I know you said strict carnivore, but I've seen various definitions of "strict". Do you take any medications?

I've broken through plateaus in various ways. Exercise, intermittent fasting, eliminating cheese, making sure not to eat too late, or changing up my macros.

If you're portion controlling and eating light/low calories, then yeah, your body might be in "conservation mode" thinking that there must be a famine or food shortage. If this is the case we just have to convince the body that there is food and make it ramp up metabolism.

I was out of town all day today, but when we came home we went out to eat, and I had this tasty dish...

It's actually a menu item called "Wayne’s Protein Overload Breakfast" at a restaurant called Mike's Place. The Italian sausage slices on the top left weren't part of the dish. My son had spaghetti and gave those to me.

I woke up 177.6 today, but tomorrow morning I will probably rebound a few pounds because I sat all day and then ate this kinda late.

Nice. My dad hunted, but didn't really pass it on to us kids. It is something I have said was on my bucket list, but I don't know if I will ever get around to it. I'm so spread out as it is.

I tried ground lamb a couple weeks ago. It was good. I need to try some more cuts, and more ruminant animals in general. I've also thought about buying a half cow all to ourselves.

Tell me how sold you are on the quality of this study.

Full Article: Harvard.edu

Here's is how the article starts off....

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Red meat consumption associated with increased type 2 diabetes risk

Replacing red meat with plant-based protein sources may reduce risk of diabetes and provide environmental benefits

For immediate release: October 19, 2023

Boston, MA—People who eat just two servings of red meat per week may have an increased risk of developing type 2 diabetes compared to people who eat fewer servings, and the risk increases with greater consumption, according to a new study led by researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. They also found that replacing red meat with healthy plant-based protein sources, such as nuts and legumes, or modest amounts of dairy foods, was associated with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes.

And here's a quote on how they gathered their data...

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Diet was assessed with food frequency questionnaires every two to four years, for up to 36 years. During this time, more than 22,000 participants developed type 2 diabetes.

And somehow this data also produced these results....

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In addition to health benefits, swapping red meat for healthy plant protein sources would help reduce greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, and provide other environmental benefits, according to the researchers.

Attached to this post is the actual study. Here it is...

Download (must be logged in to download): 
Red_meat_intake_and_risk_of_type_2_diabetes_in_cohort_study.pdf

A couple things that caught my attention in that study were the following quotes....

"Red meat intakes were assessed with semiquantitative food frequency questionnaires."

"Processed red meats included... sandwiches; ... Unprocessed red meats included... a sandwich or mixed dish"

Questionnaires every 2 to 4 years? Can you remember what you ate over the last 2-4 years? And then sandwiches have bread which actually does increase diabetes risk.

And finally, in the results....

"In both females and males, those with higher total red meat intake had higher BMI and total energy intake, were less physically active, were more likely to be current smokers, and were less likely to use multivitamins."

So they were overweight, overate, sedentary, and more, but it's the red meat that was the problem?

I'm sure there is more to discuss, but I am tired.

Article Source: MSN.com

Story by Stacey Ritzen

 

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Earlier this month, climber Nick Ehman broke the record for the fastest solo climb up the Nose, a steep, 3,000-foot route up the El Capitan vertical rock formation in California's Yosemite National Park. But in addition to his raw speed, the 28-year-old's fellow climbers were left stunned by his diet in preparing for the feat. 

Ehman completed the climb in just four hours and 39 minutes, starting his climb at around 8 a.m. on Oct. 10 and scaling to the top of El Capitan by 12:41 p.m. He beat the previous record-holder, Alex Honnold, by over an hour. Honnold, who was featured in a 2018 Academy Award-winning National Geographic documentary about his quest to perform the first free-solo climb up El Capitan, previously made the climb in five hours and 50 minutes back in 2010. 

To beat the record, Ehman had to cover a jaw-dropping eight-and-a-half vertical feet per minute.

In addition to being a member of Yosemite's search-and-rescue team, Ehman rock climbs in Yosemite about 200 days per year and has scaled the Nose dozens off times, including 16 times this year alone. However, while most climbers stick to high fiber diets consisting mostly of fresh vegetables, lean proteins, whole grains, and healthy fats; Ehman revealed his bizarre regimen to the ElCap Reports blog. 

"His exceptional diet of meat, salt, and water seems to have given him unusual strength and endurance and he took no water or food on this run up the route," the publication writes. "Our local vegetarians were dumbfounded!"

Ehman told The San Francisco Chronicle that he knew he'd have a shot at the record when he made it up the first 300 feet of the Nose, "an intimidating mix of slick slab and incipient crack climbing," in just minutes that morning.

After cruising the first pitch in minutes that morning, he knew he’d have a shot at claiming the title of fastest person to solo aid climb the route.

"I didn’t know when I set up that morning how comfortable I’d be going fast," he explained, before falling into his groove. "I felt very comfortable in that no-fall headspace, and felt like I had to go for it."

El Capitan, which was once considered "forever impossible" to climb before advanced equipment made it possible in the 1950s, has since become the standard for big-wall climbing, attracting climbers from all over the world.

Okay, so I made it 21 hours. But the wife and I were out running errands and she got hungry so we treated ourselves to A+ Crab. The raw oysters were all mine. We split the other seafood but she had the potatos and corn, of course.

20 minutes ago, Qapla said:

I will have to admit, when I hear the term "lion diet" I always think of having to eat all the meat raw ... after all, lions do not cook their food.

The Lion Diet is a term coined by Mikhaila Peterson, daughter of Jordan Peterson. It's the ultimate elimination diet, where you only eat ruminant animals (beef, elk, lamb, etc) with salt and only drink water. She had to get that strict in order to cure/reverse/stop several of her chronic autoimmune conditions.

https://liondiet.com/

There are some carnivores into the raw meat thing. That's a no-thank-you from me though, lol.

51 minutes ago, EczemaNoMore said:

Yes I’m fine now

Good. I'm glad to hear it.

51 minutes ago, EczemaNoMore said:

I hope this will improve as I continue on carnivore.

Yes, it should. You can always back up to keto/ketvore and gradually increase your meat consumption and decrease your veggie consumption to help you ease into it.

53 minutes ago, EczemaNoMore said:

Also often get anxious after I eat meat which is weird.

You're probably worried about stomach or sternum pain, which is understandable. I don't know how many meals a day you are eating, but you could also try reducing your portion sizes and adding a meal, so that you are still consuming the same amount of food just more spread out.

Welcome Frank. Are you okay now?

For possible non diet related possibilities, look over this list here... https://www.healthline.com/health/sternum-pain

The last one is a doozy, so if you also are experiencing any of the following, you may want to seek medical care.

• Pain or discomfort in your upper body, including your arms, shoulder, and jaw.
• Shortness of breath, trouble breathing.
• Fatigue.
• Lightheadedness or dizziness.
• Racing heart.
• Significant cold sweat.
• Chest tightness.
• Nausea.

You be the judge. I certainly don't want to scare you or give you anxiety, but I would hate to blow this off as nothing if it were actually serious.

Now if it is diet related, some thoughts that come to mind are...

1) Your stomach PH levels need to adjust because you were previously eating a bunch of fatty meat.

2) Gerd, acid reflux

3) Gallbladder, Bile Production. Your gall bladder stores bile produced by the liver to assist with fat digestion. If you are not used to eating a bunch of fatty meat, this organ needs to wake up and ramp up its bile storage and output.  

It's normal to have digestive issues for the first month as you adapt to this new way of eating. Your body learns to produce more bile. The microbiome changes, etc.

I see that you posted this yesterday. I didn't have a chance to get online yesterday. So I am curious how long did the pain last? And are you okay now?

Nice! Do you get the lambs from a local farm?

And would I be right in assuming you like to go hunting?

9 hours ago, Geezy said:

Salmon and cheese four egg omelet.

Looks saucy. And do I spy a little hot sauce in there?

I'm trying to make a return to intermittent fasting during the week. I was stuck inside doing business/office stuff in the morning, so I had my eggs and turkey sausage around 11:30am. Then left the house and worked. When I returned home I joined the Zoom call with Dr. Ken Berry MD. And when that was over I had a pound of ground beef at around 8:30 pm.

I woke up 179.2 this morning! 

Today is fasting day, either eating at dinner for a 24-hour stint or skipping the day altogether.

Tonight, I decided to go with fish. I had a piece of Mahi Mahi, a piece of Tilapia, and a piece of Salmon, along with an all-beef sausage link. Used some salt, butter, Old Bay seasoning, and a little garlic. 

Yeah, "dirty carnivore", but oh well

This is my current canine companion, Willow....

After my doctors visit I had 4 turkey sausages and 3 eggs. For dinner I had upwards of a pound of ground beef and 3 chicken breast tenderloins.

None of it was very photogenic, lol. 

I wonder how @ol_hilly is doing 

And again, it may not even be a problem. Those milk carbs could be trivial, especially if you're working out. The fat:protein in the milk is 1:1 so modifying that won't change your ratio much.

10 hours ago, Geezy said:

if I’m ever in the hospital again that she’s going to be kept busy bringing me food to eat because I’m not eating the “heart healthy” food they try to shove on us

Ironically, I started my carnivore journey in the hospital when I broke my ankle. They actually showed me a menu and I was able to order sausage, bacon, and eggs. I was in recovery post-op, and that was day 1 for me

10 hours ago, Coldstomp said:

What would you recommend anything to get it back to 1:1?

I do think what you are currently doing is fine. I initially just used the protein number you gave me, but here is how the math works out using the links and clarifications you provided.

Fat 184, Protein 174. This is almost 1:1 gram for gram.
Fat calories 1656, Protein calories 696. This is 2.75 to 1 calorically speaking. 

I don't see many ways to change it. You could reduce butter, as it's all fat, and cut your beef in half and add another salmon patty. But I don't think you need to do any of this.

I'm thinking your milk has carbs (lactose sugar) in it. If you're losing weight don't worry about it. If you stall out then maybe nix this. But if you are drinking it in the morning then you have all day to burn it off and it might not be affecting you any. 

Welcome aboard Drew!

Have you really been carnivore since 2013? If so that is awesome. I just started myself this last spring.

4 hours ago, Coldstomp said:

Does anyone else (perhaps other then me) not enjoy steak all that much?

I still love it, but if I have it every day, I will start to tire of it. I usually try not to make the same thing for dinner two nights back-to-back. I'm the same with my morning eggs. Each morning I prepare them differently from the day before. My lunches are pretty routine though.

4 hours ago, Coldstomp said:

Am I safe with just eating above as is, should I add anymore to up my intake of fat somewhere? Or am I pretty good as is? If someone is able to calculate the correct amounts.

Everything looks good to me. I tried to crunch the numbers for you real quick...

16g in the milk (according to this site)
35g in the eggs
74g in the beef (assuming ground beef 80% lean 20% fat)
23g in the butter
64g in the salmon patties (if this is the product)

Total Fat - 212g per day

Calorically, you're eating a 3:1 fat to protein ration, or 75:25. I've heard that, depending on your personal physiology, you should aim between 1:1 (50% of each) and 80:20. You're daily routine looks to be about 2500 calories, 1900 from fat and 600 from protein.

On 10/8/2023 at 6:58 PM, Margie said:

I haven’t started carnivore but I do intermittent fasting.     I do feel better when I’ve cut out sugars and flours.    In the past I was able to do a 3 1/2 day fast.  I worked 12 hours a day, so get off work go to bed and get up the next day to do it again.    But I had been on keto for a month already.   And being a 911 dispatcher we don’t get scheduled breaks we could eat when ever we want at our desk.  It wasn’t easy.
I do feel better, sleep better, less brain fog and definitely more energy when I don’t have the carbs

@Margie - when did you post this? I just got the notification today, but the date on your post says October 8th, 11 days ago. 

If you really posted this 11 days ago and I have missed it all this time, I think I might need to call 911 on myself, lol 

The only vegetables that I can think of that I actually enjoy raw is green pepper, and cucumber, but those should be thought of as fruits, just like a tomato is acknowledged to be a fruit, and is tasty. Most fruits are, most vegetables aren't. I almost wanted to add cauliflower and broccoli to this list but then I thought about it and yeah, I would rather dip in in ranch or cook it and serve it with butter and salt.

9 hours ago, Geezy said:

Son: “Well they’re really not all that good for you but we’ll discuss that in a minute.

Did he? It almost sounds like he was onto this carnivore thing before you

We have 2 places near me that make an awesome seafood boil. I can be all in minus the potatoes and corn. I'll do snowcrab legs, shrimp, mussells, and scallops. I'll even do 6 or 12 raw oysters as an appetizer.

Scallops are my favorite. I was buying them and making them at home regularly one week and kept gaining weight. Perplexed, I looked them up and it actually turns out that there are 7 carbs for every 3 giant sea scallops. And I was woofin' down more than 3, lol. So even though they are carnivore, they are back to occasional treat status.

I got some turkey sausage and had 4 patties this morning. It wasn't satisfying so I chased it down with 6 pork sausage links, lol. For lunch I just snacked on some pork rinds because I was driving and couldn't eat the sardines I packed while in motion. For dinner, I grilled the wife and I some bone-in NY Strip steaks. She made Brussell sprouts that she wanted me to sample because she was proud of the way she made them tonight, so I had a few. Happy wife happy life

Yes I am. I simply go by "Bob (CarnivoreTalk)" over there. If you attend his Monday Night Meat-ups, I've been on there the last 2 weeks being pretty vocal, lol.