I’ve been keto almost full Carnivore for two years and my last bloods showed a 196 on LDL my doc is advising statins which I am really not keen on taking 

clearly I am concerned as a 56 year old guy ! I am booking a calcium heart scan  but no family history of heart issues 

any input on this would be appreciated btw my HDL is 81 

4 hours ago, Carburetor said:

Sort of the same boat here. I just quit my statins,a heavy max dose for years.

My numbers will get high I know. I measure my sugar and ketones every couple of weeks but I do not intend to get a cholesterol measuring gadget. Adds stress only.

I rather have my legs and metabolism back than a low LDL number that does not correlate to my health in any way. And it won´t even get low enough,no matter what.

Next meeting with doc will be exiting. Doc is okay but very anti-fat. I know he will say I´m killing myself. Hoping he is wrong.

There is no cause and effect paper or any other evidence that saturated fat is killing us. I think this false assumption stems from the seed oils, etc.

2 hours ago, Geezy said:

I would be honest with him. We are the randomized control studies that prove this way of eating works. If your doctor thinks that his medication is helping you then he will assume the same thing for the next patient. If you are honest with him then he can monitor your results and see that this works and it just may convince him that this is a viable option to good health. 

Honesty, no doubts.

I just didn't know how to start off the conversation. LOL 

Scott

Edited January 15Jan 15 by Bob
Fixed formatting

Told my cardiologist to get fkd.

He was totally against carnivore, has his head up his ass saying it's inflammatory blah fkn blah.

Fk Dr's and the 'Healthcare system " it's a gimmick like big pharma and insurance of any kind. 

If you're feeling better you don't need a dr to validate that.

Edited January 15Jan 15 by Meathead

4 hours ago, Scott F. said:

3 months later my LDL dropped from the 180's to the 150's, about 35 points... I was worried they would skyrocket with the additional fatty meats and eggs. When the LDL dropped, I was pleasantly surprised, but equal to that was my confusion.

Have you been weight-stable for the last 3 months? Or if you are still losing weight, is it at a much slower pace?

There is LDL stored in adipose tissue (i.e. fat) that gets released into the blood stream when you lose weight, causing a spike. Eventually it gets cleared out and your numbers go back down. I initially had LDL around 92. Went I started losing weight on carnivore, it spiked to the upper 300's. Now they sit comfortably at 208 according to the last draw.

1 hour ago, Orweller said:

There is no cause and effect paper or any other evidence that saturated fat is killing us. I think this false assumption stems from the seed oils, etc.

Correct. Ancel Keys. Sugar and grain lobbyists. Pointing the finger at saturated fat and cholesterol.

20 minutes ago, Meathead said:

If you're feeling better you don't need a dr to validate that.

Especially in regard to lipids. 

I had a Doctor appointment today. He ordered up a BMP just so we can see if my kidneys function is improving having gone off the prescription he had me on that was killing me. When I said I wasn't fasting he said he wasn't ordering a lipid panel but he could if I wanted him too. I simply said "Honestly, I could care less about my lipid markers" lol.

9 hours ago, Meathead said:

Fk Dr's and the 'Healthcare system " it's a gimmick like big pharma and insurance of any kind. 

Needs to be a bumper sticker. 

You all must have seen this already?

 

https://medium.com/illumination-curated/the-man-who-ate-over-700-eggs-in-one-month-and-lived-to-tell-about-it-8ae064edf733

I did 16/day for 6 weeks. Nothing else besides water and 2 cups of coffee. 

When I got my attack and stent and realised I could have died... a very stressful situation naturally...my cholesterol went sky high. My numbers had been normal before but I was declared hypercholesterolemia nevertheless. Heavy statins.

I have a friend working in a big hospital in Stockholm, they know all this in Sweden but here in Finland there is no stress/ cholesterol connection.

Look here if interested:

https://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/stress-cholesterol-link

Well I'm just saying I had 98 blockage, airlifted bottomed out, got my stent, prescribed statin and really never took it.  Health care is plain fkd all over the world. 

 

Fk drs,and cholesterol. 

 

Edited January 15Jan 15 by Meathead

On 1/15/2025 at 2:14 PM, Carburetor said:

You all must have seen this already?

https://medium.com/illumination-curated/the-man-who-ate-over-700-eggs-in-one-month-and-lived-to-tell-about-it-8ae064edf733

Nick Norwitz. He's worth subscribing to. He has great information.

On 1/15/2025 at 2:36 PM, Meathead said:

I did 16/day for 6 weeks. Nothing else besides water and 2 cups of coffee. 

16*31 = 496.

I'm certain you've been awarded 2nd place 😄