I'm absolutely amazed at how critical a role insulin plays in our health and how many medical conditions evolve when things go wrong.

"Hence, a reproductive and survival advantage appears to exist in individuals with a greater degree of insulin resistance on a low-carbohydrate diet. This inherited insulin resistance may involve different genes/enzymes than dietary-induced insulin resistance. Insulin-sensitive subjects seem to find a low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet difficult to tolerate, with side effects such as nausea and headache [32, 33]. On the other hand, insulin resistant subjects [34, 35] and genetically obese animals [36] appear to tolerate a high-protein diet very well. Studies have shown high-protein diets produce the most desirable metabolic profile in individuals with type 2 diabetes [37–39"

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3253466/

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I can’t access your link but as someone who is insulin sensitive I have no problems eating carnivore. I’m thriving on it and it has been super easy for me.
The problem I’m seeing is that they seem to be reporting on “High Protein” studies and the way we eat is no High Protein but high fat and moderate protein.


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When people say carnivore/think carnivore it is always meat first. That can give the allusion that it is a high protein diet when it truth it is higher fats/moderate protein.

I would think those studies are probably spot on when the protein content is high/really high. Your body only needs X amount fo sugar but it will make and store XX amounts if it is fed that way. If high protein leads to a regular state of gluconeogenesis I can see where sugars would be higher followed by higher need for insulin and in time becoming insulin resistant.

Attaching a high protein diet to the carnivore community can be a tad bit misleading.

Scott

I made the link clickable...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3253466/

It interesting in that it addresses carnivore (sort of) and was dated 2011.

This is my newest reading topic.

I had read months ago that gluconeogenesis could lead to sugar being made and would be stored. I was watching a Bart Kay video the other day and he was pretty adamant (I guess he is about every topic) and that the body would only make the sugar it needed via gluconeogenesis.

I have had a couple stints where I ate a higher protein/lesser fat approach and gained weight. I attributed it to the conversion of protein to sugar and already being fat adapted. Now I am reading that is not the case, or at least a few of the leaders in the field say so. I don't have the background to argue the point either way. I was lifting consistently and somewhat heavy and one article referenced weight gain in this scenario is muscle. I don't think I gained 4-5-6 pounds of muscle over a couple three weeks.

One thing I have noticed is that when I am on a higher fat/moderate protein approach my daily weight swings are not more then a couple pounds here and there. When I first started and had yet to dial in my eating habits my weight could swing as much as five pounds over the course of a day or so.

And all of this seems to land at insulin sensitivity/insulin resistance. My glucose number is in the 70's when I eat once per day and when I eat twice per day it can land int he 80's and even into the low 90's.

Still have lots to learn.

Scott

20 hours ago, Scott F. said:

I attributed it to the conversion of protein to sugar and already being fat adapted. Now I am reading that is not the case, or at least a few of the leaders in the field say so. I don't have the background to argue the point either way. I was lifting consistently and somewhat heavy and one article referenced weight gain in this scenario is muscle. I don't think I gained 4-5-6 pounds of muscle over a couple three weeks.

Your instincts are correct, and the "few of the leaders in the field" who say so are wrong.

Excessive protein consumption can hinder ketosis by stimulating the production of glucose in the body. Protein also triggers an insulin response. As a result your blood sugar goes up, your insulin levels go up, your ketone production and usage goes down.

If I eat moderate protein and high fat, I will remain weight stable and even lose weight. However, when I eat high protein and moderate to low fat, I gain weight. This is why I am not a fan of binge eating chicken. I will be heavier the next morning. The same will happen if I binge eat shrimp and scallops, but since that's more like a rare treat I am happy to indulge in some seafood, lol, even if it means I'll be up a few pounds the following morning.

The same.

As of late I have been on a predominantly red meat diet. Food Lio and the local butcher shop has had rib eyes for $8.99 a pound, and even 'gotta get rid of it' sale at $7.99/lb. I have been sort of stocking up. It also works out as I have been on an over time tear at work as of late. I can lay a frozen rib eye out in the morning and cook it in the cast iron skillet that afternoon as I get ready for work. I was a really boring eater prior to carnivore so with a rib eye and a skillet I am perfectly happy. Plus, it's work, so nothing elaborate needed.

I haven't really eaten heavy seafood, maybe a large serving of shrimp, but nothing I would consider heavy. I have eaten a lot of chicken several days in a row and my weight does go up a tad more.

My heavy and my 'a lot' seems to be different than some. I am in awe of the amounts of food people can eat in a given meal. In times past I could eat twice the amounts but since carnivore I simply don't have the appetite to finish the 2-3 pounds others eat in a given meal.

Tonight, I had two rib eyes that were 1.7lbs total. I'm down to the last three pieces and it has been (almost) a struggle to eat 1.7lbs. Grams of protein per pound wise I wish I could eat more. The lack of appetite has helped with the weight loss and probably played a role in fasting being sort of easy.

With all that babbling it seems insulin is one of the primary keys, if not the key) to good health. Moving the needle from resistance to sensitivity is one of the best things that has happened to me.

In case you guys didn't already know there might be something to this carnivore thing. LOL

Scott