7 hours ago, Matan1262 said:

I started taking 4 pills a day of keto electrolytes and my stools became softer and less dark.

Should I continue with keto electrolytes?

This sounds like a big "Yes" to me.

I don't think either the eggs or the fruit would have been a problem with regard to stools. Cheese can be if it is eaten in abundance. 

Quite a few people who do carnivore end up with electrolyte deficiencies in time. Since electrolytes seem to be helping, this may be true in your case also.

14 hours ago, louis said:

I honestly think that dairy has also been a factor and it is now time for me to never eat dairy again.

I've heard that 70-80% of humans cannot tolerate dairy. 

Carnivore is an elimination diet. Try eliminating the dairy, besides butter or ghee, and just eat meat and see how you fair. Stick to this for at least 30 days. Then if you want to attempt a cup of cream or a glass of milk, go ahead and see how you react. If you react badly or symptoms return, then you know you need to stay away from it. 

Some of us, like myself, can handle cheese. I even make a 'carnivore ice cream' with egg yolks and heavy cream once every 3-4 months also and I tolerate that as well. 

2 hours ago, J_R said:

This will prove once and for all that vegans cannot be healthy without supplements

Oh, I 100% agree. My comment was based on your introduction...

On 3/17/2024 at 8:43 AM, J_R said:

metabolic syndrome represents a critical public health issue... various dietary interventions, including ...vegan..., may offer significant benefits. This study aims to rigorously evaluate these claims

I do think veganism can benefit someone with metabolic syndrome, "depending on what they are fed" I said. The vegan who eats junk food, bread, and sugary cereals and treats will only be compounding his problem, whereas the vegan who sticks to whole foods in their [mostly] natural state may see improvements. 

But in time, they will end up with other issues and eventually find their way to some degree of animal-based/carnivore nutrition for sure.

6 hours ago, Inthecarcrash said:

the severe cramps are mostly at night

Welcome Nic,

Yes, and it's most likely an electrolyte deficiency. Many people who do carnivore will use lots of salt and take a supplement like LMNT or Daily Minerals from Keto Chow. Electrolytes include sodium, chloride, magnesium, or potassium, calcium, bicarbonate, and phosphate. The usual suspect is a lack of magnesium.

Now if you have kidney disease like I do, you have to be watchful when it comes to supplementing electrolytes. But if your kidneys are functioning normally then any extra you take will simply be excreted through the urine.

I have to watch my potassium as I don't filter that out very well. On the other hand, I spill magnesium so I take 320-400mg per day of a blend in capsule form (a blend that does not give you diarrhea).

The meat and fruit diet: Does it work?

Story by Ruchika M

Have you ever heard of the meat and fruit diet? It's a fascinating and trendy way of eating that has been gaining popularity among health enthusiasts.

If you're curious about this unique approach to nutrition, you've come to the right place. In this article, let's delve into what the diet is all about, explore its potential benefits and discover why it's making waves in the health and wellness community.

What is a meat and fruit diet called?

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You might be wondering, what exactly is the official name for the meat and fruit diet? Well, it goes by several names, including "Carnivore Diet," "Fruitarian Diet" or even "Paleolithic Diet."

Each variation has its own twist on the concept, but the common denominator is that they primarily revolve around consuming a combination of meat and fruit.

Basics of the meat and fruit diet

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So, what does the diet entail? Let's break it down:

Emphasis on animal-based foods: As the name suggests, this diet puts a strong emphasis on animal-based foods like meat, poultry and fish. The goal is to obtain essential nutrients from these animal sources.

Fruits as the primary carb source: Instead of relying on grains and other carbohydrates, the diet centers around fruits as the primary source of carbs. This approach provides natural sugars and essential vitamins.

Minimal to no plant-based foods: Unlike other diets that incorporate a wide variety of plant-based foods, the diet typically avoids or limits vegetables, grains and legumes.

Benefits of the meat and fruit diet

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Proponents of the diet claim a range of benefits that have captivated the attention of health-conscious individuals. Some of these potential benefits include:

Simplified eating: For those who find complex meal planning overwhelming, the diet offers a straightforward approach to eating.

High in nutrients: Meats provide essential proteins, fats and micronutrients, while fruits offer vitamins and antioxidants, creating a balanced nutrient profile.

Gut health: Some followers of the diet report improvements in gut health, possibly due to the reduced consumption of certain plant compounds.

Weight management: By eliminating processed foods and refined sugars, the diet may support weight management goals.

Energy and mental clarity: Advocates claim increased energy levels and mental clarity on this diet, attributing it to stable blood sugar levels and nutrient-rich foods.

Meat and fruit diet success claims

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Curious about results with the diet? Many individuals have shared their success stories online. From improved energy levels to better digestion, here are some common themes among those who have tried this eating approach:

Weight loss: Some people have reported significant weight loss, which they attribute to cutting out processed foods and adopting a more whole-food-based diet.

Increased vitality: Followers of the diet often talk about increased vitality, feeling more energized throughout the day.

Better digestion: Several individuals have shared how this diet has improved their digestion and relieved gastrointestinal discomfort.

Mental clarity: Many advocates mention experiencing better mental focus and clarity since adopting the diet.

Is the meat and fruit diet right for you?

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As with any diet, the meat and fruit approach might not be suitable for everyone. It's crucial to consider your individual health needs, preferences and any existing medical conditions before making significant changes to your eating habits.

Consulting with a healthcare professional or a registered dietician is always a wise step before embarking on a new dietary journey.

The diet is just one example of the diverse eating patterns that people follow. Each individual's body is unique, so what works for one person might not be the best fit for another.

The key to a healthy lifestyle is to find an eating style that nourishes the body, supports well-being and brings joy.

ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/the-meat-and-fruit-diet-does-it-work/ar-AA1evEfx

16 hours ago, Orweller said:

We've been taught it just is. That we get old and fat and sick, with pain. It's part of getting old. 

I will say that I would have NEVER in a million years thought that food and healthcare were politicized. But I have learned a lot in the last year, how key individuals, for political and financial gain, have pushed "studies" about diet and nutrition that were completely false, even to the point of paying off and influencing government guidelines, all for the sake of lining their own pockets. 

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat

On 3/15/2024 at 8:50 AM, Erik said:

"Have you seen the price of meat lately?" was his response.

Have you seen the price of anything lately? Even bread and cereals are up. And comparatively speaking, ground beef and eggs still give you more bang for your buck. Not only are they cheaper per pound, but they are filling, so you will eat less instead of compulsively snacking all day long. Carnivore has not just been the best thing for my waistline, but it has also been the best thing for my wallet too.

On 3/17/2024 at 8:43 AM, J_R said:

• Sample Size: 30,000 participants

...

• Nutritional Oversight: Each diet group will have dedicated nutritional teams comprising two nutritionists, two doctors, and two registered dietitians who are advocates of their respective diets.
• Controlled Food Delivery: Collaborating with specialized food delivery services to ensure adherence to prescribed diets. Meal plans will be adjusted as needed, based on health feedback and participant preferences within diet constraints.

This sounds like quite the undertaking, to ensure that all 30,000 individuals are eating on plan by assigning them what they are to eat.

What is the souce of this study? Do you know when it will commence?

Naturally, I would expect to see improvements to metabolic syndrome in carnivores, as well as vegans depending on what they are fed, and not much expectations from the S.A.D. dieters.

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My stomach is bloated and hard like a rock and I am quite itchy at times.... I know that my body is sensitive to dairy products.

The symptoms may be related to the dairy intake. When you say "4 litres of cream" - do you mean milk or heavy cream or something else? It could be that you have lactose intolerance or a dairy allergy.

If it's lactose intolerance, you can't have milk or dairy that contains natural milk sugars/carbs. If it's a sensitivity to the milk proteins, then you might have to avoid all dairy, including cheese, with the exception of ghee and possibly butter.

For others who might also want to know, there is a search bar field on the top right of every page in the masthead if you are viewing Carnivore Talk on a PC. If you are on mobile, it's also top-right, but looks like a magnifying glass.

Welcome aboard @suelmulno 

We're here to support you on your health journey and new lifestyle. 

I listened to this on Friday, and I absolutely loved the interview. You did a fantastic job recounting your experience, and you are a good speaker. It was nice to put a voice to the avatar

Some of the topics you brought up I plan to do videos on in the future.

Over the weekend I helped some friends move. They had made a crock pot full of meatballs in marinara sauce, thinking "it's meat" and therefore I would eat. And so I did, because they were being hospitable and it was the proper thing to do.

So most meatballs usually have a little breading in them if they come from the store. I was 3 lb heavier the next day, lol. 

I took it off in a day and was back down to my normal weight, but I'm always surprised how impactful just a tiny bit of carbs can be.

Very nice. I will be listening/watching this today while I am on the road (which is where I consume most of my podcasts/video podcasts - while driving).

14 hours ago, LesW said:

I haven’t seen dramatic improvements like many people have, but I feel better mentally, and I instinctively feel this is the type of nutrition that is best for my body.

Welcome aboard Les! I do hope that you reap some benefits from your carnivore diet. It has done wonders for me I am not looking back (I'm meat centric, and will occasionally eat a plant). 

It's true carnivore won't heal everything. A lot of us see quick results with reversing diabetes or lowering blood pressure. Some people lose a lot of weight up front. Others seem to have to heal metabolically before the weight starts dropping. But think of all the years you spent feeding your body junk... it's not gonna all get fixed overnight.

I was listening to a podcast/video today, and they were talking about polyunsaturated fats found in seed oils, and how most Americans have an imbalance of Omega-6 vs Omega-3's. The guest said that it can take 4 years for your body to return to normal levels. So we need to be on this journey for the long haul.

11 hours ago, louis said:

I ate some fish cooked in butter, two fried eggs and some chicken. 

I tried to make some chicken patties. They tasted great. They looked interesting!!!!!!

Looks good. I need to incorporate more fatty fish into my diet. 

So I had these greek seasoned chicken meatballs with tsatsiki sauce tonight, along with some ground beef. My wife bought some cucumbers at Sam's Club and I had some of them too. They are pretty benign (trace carb crunchy water basically) because there is no way she will finish them herself before they start to rot.

I must admit I have been slackin' a little more than usual in the last 4-5 days. Probably because I was so strict for the last 30 days and am now happy with my blood results.

Hamburgers are thought to originate from Hamburgh, Germany, from whence they got their name.

Hot Dogs are thought to have either originated from Franfurt, Germany in the 1400's, which is why they are often called Franks, or Frankfurters. However, the city of Vienna (Wien in German) makes a similar claim, thus the name Wieners or Vienna Sausages.

I hadn't given any thought to the bun. I'll have to look that up. But I will say, wrapping healthy meat in an unhealthy wheat bun does sounds like an American thing to do, lol 

13 hours ago, Dan o said:

Just received a text from my doctor who recommends I see a digestive health specialist.

Sounds like they want to talk to you about your diet, lol.

13 hours ago, Dan o said:

Hopefully we can agree on a path forward that doesn't require statins.

Not likely. Expect them to push it hard. Other options are high dose Niacin (nicotinic acid), fenofibrates, and ezetimibe (Zetia), all of which are less bad than statins from what I have heard. 

What are the separate values for your HDL, trigs, and LDL?

13 hours ago, Dan o said:

I don't want to give up on the carnivore diet because in the 5 months I'v been on it, amazing transformation.

And that alone should carry a lot of weight. I am in the same place. I have lost 50 lbs and reversed a half a dozen "incurable" conditions. Any pressure to go back to my old way of eating just sounds like utter nonsense to me at this point.

13 hours ago, Dan o said:

I am open to modifying my diet with a few carbs,maybe a bagel with my morning coffee.

Bagels are a grain. I would still recommend avoiding the unholy trinity of grains, sugar, and seed oils.

However, I do think a clean keto/ketovore diet (promulgated by Dr. Ken Berry) as well as an animal-based diet (promulgated by Paul Saladino) are acceptable options, DEPENDING on your personal physiology and the quality of your metabolic health at this point in your life.

16 hours ago, Matan1262 said:

The sh*t is still rock hard and black

Again, this is abnormal. The black color could be concerning. Have you considered consulting your physician or gastroenterologist, or getting some blood work done? The advice that we are giving works for the majority of people, namely, increase fat, try magnesium citrate, and for some, add a little fiber. There is a little fiber in things like organs and bone broth if you want to stay true carnivore.

16 hours ago, Matan1262 said:

I thought this was the way we used to eat naturally, I don't get why it has come to this.

A proper human diet is a spectrum from low carb (100g a day or less) on the one end all the way to carnivore (0 carb) on the other end. You have to find where at on the spectrum works best for you. Your DNA may play a part in this. A natural human diet is definitely meat-centric, but depending on where you come from on this earth, you may be able to have more plants than another person. For example, if your lineage comes from areas around the equator, you can probably tolerate more carbs than someone who lives in much colder climates. 

Are carbs essential to human health and survival? No. But we DO have a cecum, albeit a small one, which shows that we are designed to deal with some plant food sources as well, just as much as our gall bladder shows we are designed to eat fatty meat. BUT, that is neither here nor there. You should be able to function just fine on a strict carnivore diet. 

17 hours ago, Matan1262 said:

I pray to find a solution, If not I will return to eating rice and sweet potatoes, when I was eating this each day with chicken breast I didn't have this problem

So let's think this through. Have you tried @butterfly's suggestion to try different kinds of meat? Eliminate eggs for a while and try only beef. If you think it's the beef (which I DO know some who cannot eat beef) then eliminate beef for awhile and eat chicken, pork, and fatty fish instead. Do you keep hydrated? 

White rice has trace fiber and brown rice has even more fiber. While I personally would avoid all grains, of them, rice is probably the least bad. Sweet potatoes also have high fiber, and a sweet potato could still be part of a low carb or animal based diet. At 20 carbs per 3.5 ounce (100g), it's not going to be keto or ketovore per se, but that is alright. You are lean, and don't necessarily have to be strict for managing your weight.

37 minutes ago, Geezy said:

I think that looks like a good mineral supplement to take.  Bob will no better than I do but that magnesium is not citrate. 

Magnesium Chloride is very bioavailable and easily absorbed. It's great to treat magnesium deficiency but not so great for the laxative effect you are looking for. The best choice is Magnesium Citrate. It's not very biavailable and goes right through you. Same with Magnesium Oxide, but I have heard health coaches say to avoid anything that's an oxide. Probably because we don't want anything in our body oxidizing. 

21 hours ago, Erik said:

I had a pretty bad episode of diverticulitis and had to go to the ER around 6 this morning... this has been a problem since 2015, although I haven't had an episode this bad in a long time.

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope that as you progress towards carnivore that these episodes will decrease in frequency. I've heard many stories of people whose gut issues completely resolved with a proper ketovore/carnivore diet due to low/no fiber in their diet.

21 hours ago, Erik said:

I had a poached egg and also made some Jello -- not the best thing to eat, but I have to give my guts a rest for a few days and only eat stuff that is easily digestible.

Those are fine. Especially if the Jello was sugar free. 

Hope you feel better soon Erik

6 hours ago, skittles said:

I'm adjusting to not limping while walking.

Glad to hear you are experiencing some improvements and benefits. 

You're experience sounds like a carnivore YouTuber named Dave Mac. He has videos of himself before carnivore walking with a limp, and these days his walk is very much improved. 

10 hours ago, Dan o said:

That was my next question. Can you be on statins  while on the carnivore diet? If once on statins,are you locked in and unable to stop taking them? Have you heard of anyone else having a total cholesterol of 315 ? Any advice how to lower cholesterol and remain carnivore? I apologize for all the questions. Thanks again.   Dan

Yes, you can take a statin. You may experience side effects. You may not. It's the most prescribed drug on the planet, so millions of people take them and don't have any issues at all. Other people take them and suffer aches, pains, and more. I've heard a carnivore doctor say that if you are trying to compromise with your primary care physician, you could negotiate that you would take a low dose 5g Rosuvastatin which will probably not harm you (nor help you) but will be enough to shut your doctor up, lol.

High doses (at least 1000g/day, and up to 3000mg/day) of Niacin (Vitamin B3 in the form of Nicotinic Acid) will also raise HDL and help lower trigs and LDL. Decades ago before there were any statins, this is what was prescibed. But prescription Niacin was expensive, so people just bought it over-the-counter, which is one of the reasons why new drugs were invented, because over-the-counter meds don't line the pockets of pharmaceutical companies.

My latest cholesterol reading was 411. I've had it as high as 588 several months back.

So here's another one....

When people think of what constitutes "American food", they often think about hamburgers and hot dogs. But did these foods really originate here in the U.S.? 

15 hours ago, louis said:

I am pleased to say that I am still here and sticking to it on my second week in!

Awesome. Keep up the good work!