On 4/13/2024 at 6:12 PM, ImCharlieBruh said:

they also don't wanna tell you osteocytes and osteoblasts the same in your bones live in your teeth and they can and will repair themselves. With a few tricks

10 hours ago, Miranda said:

this. there is a book out there, written by a joe schmo, that speaks of reversing decay with cod liver. Sorry I can't recall the details.

I've read that teeth can indeed heal. The line we are fed "tooth decay can't be reversed" is just another one of those things that modern medicine misleads us on.... sorta. Tooth decay cannot be reversed when following modern dietary patterns full of sugar and refined carbs.

19 hours ago, ol_hilly said:

Think I'm gonna freeze the last pan, cuz I'm missing beef. 

I'm the same way. I can eat other meats but beef is my staple. I can only take so much chicken or pork in succession. 

Tonight I had the other half of the sirloin steak package we got from Sam's. Last week, 2 of my NY Strips rotted faster than I expected and I had to toss them out. I didn't want to risk that again so I had steak 2 nights back to back.

23 hours ago, Geezy said:

...a few jalapeño slices.
Hu-ho! Look out boys he’s off the reservation.

Tsk tsk

I've never had lung, nor tongue. The local store sells beef tongue and someday I will lean how to prepare it.

I think tonight is going to be these top sirloin steaks we got the other day. They are a little leaner that my usual choice so I will be dipping them in the butter I cook them in.

4 eggs over easy and a half pound of grass fed ground beef this morning.

Last night I had this rotisserie style chicken (in a box) from Sam's Club. I filled up, but was hungry again just a little while later. Too lean, no fat. I ended up making a burger later to avoid snacking, lol.

On 4/19/2024 at 3:33 AM, louis said:

Good morning, good afternoon or good evening wherever you are in the world!

Ohio USA, which is Eastern Time. As soon as I post this message, the timestamp on this post for me will read 9:55am and that timestamp to you will be stamped with whatever time it was in your time zone when I posted this message.

On 4/19/2024 at 3:33 AM, louis said:

To start my meal today I ate some raw buffalo meat.

7 hours ago, louis said:

I have decided to stop cooking the meat for now as I am preferring the uncooked taste. 

Interesting. I have never had red meat raw. I did go to a restaurant that served an appetizer of filet mignon that was more blue rare, seared on each side but red in the middle. That was the rarest thing I ever ate.

13 hours ago, Angela Little said:

I am not sure what it is but nothing tastes good to me and I do the same, just not eat anything which is not good either.

There can actually be some benefits to extended fasting. Some people intentionally schedule 24, 48, or 72 hour fasts every couple weeks, monthly, etc. The longest one I pulled off was 40 hours, from Friday's dinner to Sunday's breakfast.

I fancy doing it again, but I like to eat, lol. 

On 3/28/2024 at 8:56 AM, Bob said:

When I intermittently fast, that puts me in a calorie deficit. So yes, I would suggest counting your calories.

On 4/18/2024 at 10:37 PM, Andre said:

Most CICO diets would have allow me to lose more bodyfat in the same period of time.

Think this through @Andre. 

The science is simple. Calories do matter, to the extent that it still serves as a gauge to how much you are consuming. You can overeat on carnivore, and you can even gain weight by doing so. Other factors come into play also. 

The benefits of keto/carnvivore is that you are consuming the most nutritionally dense foods, and that protein and fat satiates you, allowing you to feel full for longer inbetween meals. This satiation and subsequent elongated "fasting" period, allowing you to use up this fuel, return to a state of ketosis, and most likely consume less calories that you may have previously.  

Carnivore works for people because a salad doesn't satisfy, and processed carbohydrates make you hungrier, sooner, causing people to overeat. Fruit can get a pass for a lot of people, but for many others it is just as binge-inducing as a cookie or slice of bread.

The principles and the science behind animal-based, ketogenic, and carnivore diets is solid. You can lose the weight if you apply it. 

On 4/18/2024 at 10:37 PM, Andre said:

there is not one size fits all

This is accurate. Like Dr. Berry says, the Proper Human Diet is a spectrum, and where you happen to be on that spectrum is depends in your personal physiology, and your lineage and DNA can play a role in that as well. 

On 4/18/2024 at 10:46 PM, Andre said:

There are many people who have benefited from eating fruit or some type of carbohydrate.

This is true. Paul Saladino struggled with strict carnivore, and benefited from adding fruit into his diet. But he is super-athletic, surfing, skating, working out, etc. Most of us don't have that level of activity. He also does not have an obesity or metabolic issues. His "why" for exploring a carnivore diet was for the sole purpose of trying to find the root cause of his eczema or psoriasis or something. Plant toxins was the culprit, which is why he avoids leaves, stems, roots, and seeds. Fruit and honey are benign (unless you have metabolic issues). It works for him and that is great. 

Lille Kane has also added fruit to her diet, but not to the excess that Paul has. If you follow her, she is also active, hits the gym, etc. She is mostly carnivore and a little pre-workout fruit helps her strength and stamina at the gym - which is a no-brainer.

That people benefit is exactly why I shared the article.

On 4/18/2024 at 10:46 PM, Andre said:

People here look at carbohydrates as if they were the devil.

No, I don't think this is the case here. Maybe on Reddit or other Carnivore groups on social media. I am pretty clear that I advocate a carnivore-centric meat-based diet consisting of foods that you can eat naturally without processing, pulverizing, or dying from ingesting it. If you can hunt it, milk it, or pluck it from the branch or vine, it's probably fair game, depending on your personal physiology and what your personal goals are.

A couple thoughts. One is, how long is your sleep and what is the quality of that sleep? Some people find themselves not sleeping as much through the night, waking up before their alarm goes off, etc. This can and will catch up with you eventually.

My other thought is that you previously posted about your concerns that you were eating too high protein and not enough fat. We suggested raising the fat intake, because fat is where the energy will come from - the fat you eat and the fat that you are losing. By eating too lean, you would not become fat adapted (when your body prefers fat/ketones over the occasional carb). This was only 5 days ago, and so maybe you need more time eating a high fat, moderate protein diet to yet become fat adapted. I know you said you've been carni for 4 weeks, but if you were lean meat, high protein, low fat for the first 3 weeks, then you were most likely converting protein to glucose in the absence of fat. 

In short, oftentimes the best way to overcome tiredness on a carnivore diet is to give it time. Some people will boast about this amazing pool of energy they got after 7-10 days, while others will tell you it took them a couple months to fully adapt and feel that way. Every body is different. 

You already know it's doing you good. You've boasted about how your acid reflux and gastritis symptoms have disappeared. I would keep going with a goal of 90 days.

The alternative, is to slide more into ketovore -> keto -> low-carb animal-based, which are all fine options, and for a lot of people is the end goal after doing carnivore as an elimination diet. I would still do carnivore for 90 days before slowly reintroducing foods to see how you react to them. I do believe that carnivore can work for everybody, even if some don't think it's for them.

5 hours ago, Miranda said:

Ketovore: what someone calls themselves when they eat mostly carnivore most of the time but don't want to get blasted on social media for posting a picture of a meal with plants in it.

lol. True. Although nobody should be blasting others on social media, lol.

I'm sure some people will think of me as a ketovore vs a carnivore, but my consumption of plants is too rare, imo, to be ketovore, so I still say I am "mostly carnivore" or "97% carnivore".

Keto vs ketovore diet: What’s the difference?

All about the Ketovore diet

Estimated to reach $12.35 billion by the end of 2024, the keto diet is one of the fastest-growing diet trends in the country — and for good reason. While originally used to help treat patients with epilepsy, the ketogenic diet is now used widely by people looking to achieve optimal health and improve various health conditions. A ketogenic diet, in its basic form, is a diet that is high in fat and low in carbohydrates. People who follow a keto diet aim to achieve a state of nutritional ketosis, allowing the body to use fat for fuel.  While the keto diet remains popular, you may have heard the term “ketovore” floating around social media. But what exactly is the ketovore diet?

What is the ketovore diet?

The ketovore diet is an unofficial term (not a scientific word) that describes a diet that mixes a standard keto diet and the carnivore diet. You might also hear the ketovore diet referred to as keto carnivore or a meat-heavy keto diet.  The carnivore diet is a stricter form of the keto diet that involves eating only meat and animal by-products. Those on a carnivore diet do not consume other low-carb foods, such as vegetables, nuts, or seeds. Unlike a ketogenic diet that often involves consuming about 20 to 50 grams of carbohydrates per day, the carnivore diet is zero-carb and far more restrictive.

Given that a true carnivore diet allows only for the consumption of meat and water, this diet can be extremely difficult to follow on a long-term basis. For that reason, many people have turned to a “ketovore” diet, which is similar to carnivore but allows for the consumption of some plant-based foods. A person who is following a keto diet will still consume a large amount of meat as the main food group. However, this diet allows for the consumption of some other low-carb foods such as heavy cream, avocados, spices, and a small amount of low-carbohydrate vegetables.

Ketovore diet vs. keto

On average, those on a traditional keto diet consume about 7o to 80% of their daily calories from fat, 10 to 20% of calories from protein, and the rest from carbohydrates. This diet, which is low in carbohydrates and high in fat, helps achieve a deep state of metabolic ketosis that can result in many benefits. Although the keto diet is often known for its weight loss benefits, many people try the keto diet for other reasons, too, such as improved digestion, enhanced energy levels, reduced inflammation, and more.

Unlike the keto diet, the ketovore diet follows a slightly different macronutrient ratio. People following this diet consume large amounts of meat, which makes the overall protein macros much higher than that of a regular diet. In turn, this makes a ketovore diet more of a high protein, moderate fat, and low carbohydrate diet.

Benefits and limitations of a ketovore diet

In terms of restrictiveness, a ketovore diet falls somewhere between a standard ketogenic diet and a carnivore diet. The flexibility this diet provides makes it an ideal option for those who want to achieve the benefits of a carnivore diet but find it to be too restrictive. Many people find the carnivore diet to help treat or manage chronic digestive issues, such as irritatable bowel disease.

Eliminating plants and plant-derived foods from the diet is thought to allow the gut to heal while removing digestive irritants. By consuming a ketovore diet that contains more meat-based foods than plants, those with GI concerns may notice an improvement in symptoms without having to remove plant foods from the diet entirely. Other benefits of a ketovore diet include improved blood sugar control, anti-inflammatory effects, a decrease in food cravings, and better cognitive function.

While the ketovore diet offers many benefits, it’s still important to understand its potential limitations. This diet is high in protein, which means it may not be suitable for people with kidney conditions or who are prone to kidney stones. If you’re thinking of making a change in your diet, it’s important to speak with your doctor to discuss safe practices before starting.

What foods does a ketovore diet include?

A ketovore diet relies heavily on meat, which can include beef, poultry, seafood, fish, and other types of meat. Other low-carb foods allowed on a ketovore diet include:

• Eggs
• Heavy cream and other low-carb dairy
• Avocados
• Cheese
• Coffee
• Spices
• Low-carb vegetables (leafy greens, broccoli, etc)
• Oils
• Low-carb nuts or seeds (almonds, for example)

Should you try the ketovore diet?

When compared to a carnivore diet, the ketovore diet allows for a much wider range of foods to be consumed. For many people, this diet is more sustainable to stick with on a long-term basis. For those already following a keto diet, switching to a ketovore diet is fairly easy. If you’re not yet acquainted with keto eating patterns, you might find that jumping right into ketovore is too restrictive. Remember to start slowly as your body adjusts to running on a new type of fuel and familiarize yourself with the signs and symptoms of the keto flu. Whenever you make a change like this, it’s always best to consult your doctor about the best diet for you.

ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.themanual.com/fitness/ketovore-diet-guide/

17 hours ago, Wyomom said:

I've been doing carnivore for about a week and a half...  I've been really fatigued the past few days.

I just want to second what @Geezy said. Your early on in the transition period. After using up all your glucose/glycogen reserves, your body has to make the switch to burning fat/ketones for energy. In the beginning, it still preferentially looking for glucose. In time, about 3-6 weeks of high fat keto or carnivore, you become fat adapted, and your body will preferentially run on fat and ketones. 

A high protein, low fat approach will prevent and prolong adaptation, so make sure you are eating fatty meat, fatty fish, and using butter, ghee, or tallow. If you are eating carnivore but still have the mindset that you should avoid fat and eat lean meats, you will struggle more.

I am very straightforward with the 3 doctors in my life - my primary care physician, my nephrologist, and my gastroenterologist. My nephrologist and gastroenterologist are all on board with my mostly carnivore diet. Nephrologist doesn't think I am harming my kidneys and thinks there may even be some micro-impovements. Gastroenterologist has had no choice but to acknowledge that my decade long bout with ulcerative colitis is now cured with no medications. The PCP is the only one who is not on board - he thinks I am destroying my kidneys and heart - and wants to write prescriptions that I don't want to take.

My wife has a coworker who has 38 hens that get to roam around freely, and he gets about 38 eggs per day. We've been buying from him lately. You can tell the difference between local eggs and store bought eggs.

Plant-based products could negatively impact heart health: Study

Co-founder of Truemed Calley Means joins ‘Fox & Friends Weekend’ to discuss the health benefits of eating real meat versus plant-based, calling it ‘toxic sludge.’

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6350868150112

^ VIDEO

Today was the Wendy's eggs, sausage, and bacon again. Later in the day I stopped at a local meat market and got some homemade beef jerky. I'm betting it isn't pure, though. It's hard to find beef jerky that isn't made with some sort of sugar brine or glazing. And then for dinner I had ground beef and pepper jack cheese with extra butter to boot.

4 hours ago, Geezy said:

I’m using fine just because I haven’t tried any of the others.

Redmond's says that "Fine" is their most popular product. It most closely resembles the table salt that we are all used to. I'm just used to my pink himalayan salt that is coarse and I grind myself, but I am almost out so I am consider the switch to Redmond's.

4 hours ago, Geezy said:

I have found that for steaks I really like Maldon’s flaked sea salt.

Shawn Baker uses something that comes in a pouch and he sprinkles it around with his own fingers that looks kinda flaky too. I'll have to look that one up.

For your Redmond's Real Salt, do you prefer fine, kosher, or coarse grain sizes?

Today we had relatives from out of town visit and we went out to eat at a restaurant with a patio. This particular restaurant that we chose had a section of their menu called "melted cheese foldovers" which are specifically designed for Atkins/low carbers. Basically, they make you a cheese tortilla with the other ingredients inside.

16 hours ago, Laara said:

I really need some help here.  I've been on the diet for 13 days and not one good bowel movement... just bits of diaarrhea, especially in the first few days, then nothing for about five days, then I started taking magnesium citrate and I cheated with one banana, but still, only bits of diarrhea. What do I need to do?  I feel bloated and heavy of course, and low energy. I started electrolytes to help with that.

This is part of the transition or adaptation phase. When I started, the first 6 weeks my bowels were unpredictable. It would either be hard as rocks, or liquid disaster. The longest I went without going was 8 days. 

Eventually things returned to my new normal, which is basically having to go about twice a week. 

Meat is almost entirely digested high up in the intestinal tract, and produces very little waste. Therefore you will go less than you were previously used to. Before, a lot of that plant matter, particularly the fiber, couldn't be broken down, and would go right through you. 

10 hours ago, ImCharlieBruh said:

did all of our teeth fall out 20k years ago? or did they get worse after flouride

Well, teeth got worse with the advent of agriculture, and then this ramped up during the industrial revolution as sugary snacks, sodas, and other processed junk food became the staple of the western diet. 

But yes, overexposure to fluoride can be a problem. 

11 hours ago, ImCharlieBruh said:

once all thr oils and process garbage was introduced 110 years ago lol death rate going lower and lower year after year

10 hours ago, Geezy said:

Lower and lower, year after year???
Heart attacks, cancer and diabetes weren’t even on the radar a hundred years ago and now they are the three biggest killers in America today. Each one fighting each other for first place.

I think he meant that life spans are getting shorter and shorter.

11 hours ago, ImCharlieBruh said:

are you importing your wagyu or america  waygu?

It's Sam's Club wagyu, lol...

https://www.samsclub.com/p/members-mark-ground-wagyu-beef-3-lbs/P03018638?xid=plp_product_1

21 hours ago, Geezy said:

The tuna is not canned tuna. I can’t stand that stuff, it’s cat food imo.

Haha. That must be why my cat magically appears when I open a can of it, lol. 

I think the only tuna I've ever had came in a can.

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For breakfast -> I went to Wendy's and ordered 2 sides of egg, 2 sides of sausage, and one side of 3-piece bacon, and had them put it all in the same container. It's only $5.20 which I think is a darn good price. 

For dinner I had my Wagyu beef.