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Tell us a little about yourself. What is your 'Why' for trying a carnivore challenge? Is it to lose weight, reverse disease, optimize health? What is your weight and health like now? Healing takes time. Some people boast about "all this energy" they have after just a few days or a week. Sometimes this is because they are very overweight and have a lot of energy stored on their body that they are now tapping into. Others is because they see some weight come off rapidly and they get super excited and filled with motivation. They say that they suddenly have "energy" but it's their motivation and zeal that is driving them. In time, as one becomes fat adapted, they do experience better moods and "more energy" in the sense of a steady stream of energy that allows them to keep going and going. It's not energy like Mario eating a mushroom and becoming Super Mario.

This experience intrigues me. That it was concentrated on your flanks and armpits does sound more like an allergic reaction to me. I doubt it was oxalate dumping. When you added carbs back in, did you also at the same time cut out or cut down on (reduce) something else you were previously eating? For example, let pretend you were eating bacon. Pigs are monogastric animals. The factory farm where that particular pig, or lot of pigs (or may you started buying a different brand) may have had their usual feed changed. Maybe they switched suppliers. Maybe these pigs consumed something they shouldn't have. Being monogastric, contaminants get into their fleshy parts, and you had an allergic reaction to this. And then when you added back in carbs, you also eliminated or reduced the consumption of something else. Not intentionally, but just because there is a limit to how much you need to eat and were satisfied with the carbs. It can be quite complex, so I can understand why it would have been hard to pinpoint. You have to go through the trying different brands, eliminating certain animals, trying local sourced over grocery store meats, etc, all in an effort to find relief. I've seen a few children who were allergic to amoxicillin and broke out in a rash in their abdomen and armpits. Probably because digestion occurs in the abdomen, so the reaction starts there and branches out from there. This makes sense. Carbs can be utilized for energy almost immediately. This is why some people will be carnivore until it's time to hit the gym, and then they will load up on fruit or a sweet potato or something.

So I bought a can and it's in the pantry. I haven't opened it yet though, lol.

I agree here. I finally edited and released my Sugar Diet video, and in it I say something similar. Eating lots of fruit doesn't sound that bad on the surface, but dumping all sort of sugar on them..... well. I haven't made it to the other thread yet, but I did just watch Nick's video. Interesting that the same results can be had with high-fat low-protein just like with high-sugar low-protein, including its effects in FGF21. Also interesting is that some people will recommend boosting their fat to protein ratio to accelerate fat loss. This age-old advice harmonizes with what Nick reveals.

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A couple weeks ago a new fad diet exploded onto the scene, forcing itself into everyone's streams and recommendations feeds. They call it the Sugar Diet, or Sugar Fasting. Being heavily promoted by influences such as Cole Robinson, Mark Bell, and FreeLee the Banana Girl - they advise consuming mass quantities of pure sugar in the form of pop and candy, almost exclusively. Just like those of us on the keto-carnivore side of the isle lose weight eating fat in the absense of carbs, yes you can lose weight eating carbs in the absense of fat. BUT, which one of these will benefit you in the long term? JOIN THIS CHANNEL TO GET ACCESS TO PERKS! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeAwaxsqfNEK4ZtfWX3Dz3g/join VISIT OUR FREE KETO/CARNIVORE COMMUNITY! https://www.CarnivoreTalk.com LET"S DO A VIDEO TOGETHER! Have YOU had success with a meat-based keto, ketovore, carnivore, carnivore-centric, or animal-based diet? Let's do a video together! Contact me using this form... https://carnivoretalk.com/contact/ HAVE YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED IN A FUTURE VIDEO: Click the link below to leave us a Voicemail, and we might feature your question on the next episode of Carnivore Talk. https://carnivoretalk.com/voicemail/ SEND SNAIL MAIL TO: Robert Angle Carnivore Talk PO Box 1367 Stow, OH 44224 DISCLAIMER: The Carnivore Talk website and its audio and video content is for general informational purposes only. The use of the information found within our content or from materials linked to from our content is at the user’s own risk. The content published by Carnivore Talk is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should seek the assistance of their health care professionals to obtain medical advice and to diagnose or treat any condition. We are not doctors! #carnivore #carnivorediet #ketodiet #sugar #sugardiet View full episode

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The latest fad diet forcing itself into everyone's newsfeeds and recommended video streams is the so-called "sugar diet" or "sugar fasting". What do carnivores think about this latest trend? Join us Monday night for "Takin' it Easy with Bob and Geezy" as we discuss this latest fad, and its pros and cons. Members can join us onscreen as special guests as well. HERE'S HOW TO JOIN US ONSCREEN AS A GUEST... https://carnivoretalk.com/events/event/46-what-carnivores-think-about-the-sugar-diet/ LET'S DO A VIDEO TOGETHER! Have YOU had success with a meat-based keto, ketovore, carnivore, carnivore-centric, or animal-based diet? Let's do a video together! Contact me using this form... https://carnivoretalk.com/contact/ JOIN THIS CHANNEL TO GET ACCESS TO PERKS! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeAwaxsqfNEK4ZtfWX3Dz3g/join VISIT OUR FREE KETO/CARNIVORE COMMUNITY! https://www.CarnivoreTalk.com HAVE YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED IN A FUTURE VIDEO: Click the link below to leave us a Voicemail, and we might feature your question on the next episode of Carnivore Talk. https://carnivoretalk.com/voicemail/ SEND SNAIL MAIL TO: Robert Angle Carnivore Talk PO Box 1367 Stow, OH 44224 DISCLAIMER: The Carnivore Talk website, and its audio and video content are for general informational purposes only. The use of the information found within our content or from materials linked to from our content is at the user’s own risk. The content published by Carnivore Talk is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should seek the assistance of their health care professionals to obtain medical advice and to diagnose or treat any condition. We are NOT doctors! #carnivore #carnivorediet #sugar #sugardiet 🎙️ New to streaming or looking to level up? Check out StreamYard and get $10 discount! 😍 https://streamyard.com/pal/d/6627094927114240 View full episode

This is good advice. I understand why the Carnivore-friendly doctors hold up the CAC test, because statistically speaking, when the CAC is zero there is usually little to no plaque to be concerned about. But as you said this isn't always the case all of the time. The CAC is cheap and non-invasive. In fact, around where I live you can get them for free without insurance or a prescription.

I hope you are doing well. I'm glad you recognized the signs and took action. Do remember that it takes years upon years for circumstances to build up to this event. Your carnivore diet shouldn't get the blame for this. There are a variety of factors involved. Are you familiar with Mitch, "Old Guy Carnivore" on YouTube? He also had a heart attack a little over a month ago. He explains what caused it, and continues to eat carnivore and champion the lifestyle.

Haha! Good grief! Now that I think about it though, my Sam's Club card does have my photo on it, lol 😄 But any of these types of cards can be forged right at home.

The mainstream narrative continues to be "The Body prefers CARBS" and "FAT is bad for you". I don't see this changing anytime soon. Nestle, PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, Kraft Heinz, Mondelez, Kelloggs, Post, and General Mills have the financial interest and advertising dollars to push this message in your face non-stop. Calling it an "Extreme diet" is basically slander and lies. Seriously! So, when did eating only what God/Nature provided for us to eat become an "extreme diet"? Lol. What? There are people who will only eat a whole foods diet consisting of meat, nuts, berries, and some select fruits and vegetables? Them NUTTERS and their EXTREME diets! But.... but..... what about GRaiNs and SeeD oILs?

Those screen caps look interesting. Right now the "Wayback Machine" is down, so I will have to remember to try again later.

We will see in the months ahead... or maybe we won't. Notice there are not a large pool of YouTube videos by people proclaiming, "I lost XXX lbs on Weight Watchers" or "Slim-Fast reversed my _______ auto-immune disease!". However, when it comes to keto and carnivore, all sorts of individuals create content to try and spread the word because after a lifetime of trying those other diets that didn't work and being told by medical professionals "it's just genetic" and there is nothing you can do, CARNIVORE feels like an amazing miracle, and we are unable to keep it to ourselves. Will we see a guy like Bill Knott or Todd Bockness, who were huge and have lost HUNDREDS of pounds so far, start vlogging their life on the sugar diet? Far less likely I am sure. Maybe a few here and there, but they will have to do it intermittedly (i.e. sugar "fasting") or take supplements to make it work, just like the vegans do. I don't think this "sugar diet" is going to go away just yet. It's going to be heralded as a weapon to battle our "carnivnore, high fat propaganda".

So curiosity got the best of me and I did a web search for "air fried crickets" and there are a surprising number of recipes, lol. Eating insects is something that has never come into my mind :)

And that was one of our observations and topics of discussion. The people promoting this sugar diet are already super lean. They don't have much fat to lose. In addition, they are super active. If you chugged sugar and then hit the gym and pushed your body to the limit for hours at a time, you will be burning all that up immediately and blood sugar levels will probably remain low, or return to low very quickly. But most people looking to lose weight are not going to put in that kind of effort, and so all the sugar has nowhere to go.

Sirloin steaks last night. Less fatty than the NY strips but at least the wife doesn't complain, lol. I melt down butter and dip the steaks in it as I eat to make up for the lost fat.

Better slow down on the greens there, buddy Awesome! Glad to hear you're still doing great!

We start in 10 minutes. Hope to see you there. The StreamYard link to join us onscreen is in the first post in this topic.... https://carnivoretalk.com/topic/1337-monday-night-live-streams-how-you-can-watch-andor-be-a-guest-with-bob-geezy/ We're still reusing the same link each week, so far.

Correlation does not equal causation. A lot of these associations between meat and these diseases are from studying people who indulged in major poor habits and eating choices. They overate, ate junk food, smoked, drank alcohol, had that meat on a big fat bun covered in sugary sauces or seed oil based dressings.... but it's the meat that was the problem? Yeah, right [sarcasm]. Some of it is so easily explainable it should be an embarrassment to the medical and scientific community.... Just eat meat and your bowel movements become less frequent. It must be that meat rots in your colon, lol. Just eat meat and your red blood cells live longer, slightly raising your a1c. Meat must cause diabetes, lol.

This happens because there is someone who was sick and unhealthy eating the standard American diet with all it's ultra-processed junk food, and they changed their ways. Whether they adopted the carnivore diet, vegan diet, keto diet, or Mediterranean diet, they improved their situation. Now they are an evangelizer. We're no different when we also preach a carnivore or carnivore-centric carb-controlled diet. I'm happy to see anyone making changes to improve their health. Like Dr. Berry says, at least our vegan brothers and sisters are actually thinking about what they are putting in their mouths. It's a start (one that often leads them to carnivore eventually).

I second this. Carb Manager is perfect for low carb, keto, and carnivore diets. The other apps like MyFitnessPal and LoseIt are okay, but Carb Manager has built-in goals and settings for various carb-controlled diet plans.