Hello,

I’m Cathy, 64, and the organs in my core are fused together with adhesions. There. Got that out of the way. That means that any carbs I eat (plant based foods) ferment in my gut and break down my immune system bc my organs don’t churn or burn like they’re supposed to. That means my diet is as hard core as Mikhaila’s. Cheating is devastatingly painful.

Anybody else here eating just meat and eggs?

I just eat meat and eggs. Every so often I will drink a glass of milk, but other than that, meat, salt and water.

I have an auto-immune disease and I took medicine for pain and inflammation for 6+ years. I started carnivore as nothing more than a weight loss hack. My son tried it and lost 12-14lbs in a couple weeks. He described the diet to me and i thought I would give it a whirl.

Six weeks later the weight was peeling off extremely fast. Then I started to realize I was skipping my medicine (didn't take it daily/ritually but more so when I need it-three four times per week). At first I thought it was just coincidence but soon realized it was the change in diet.

I'm not sure which plant, or combinations of plants/carbs/sugars, etc. triggered my inflammation but I know now one or more of them did. I'm 11 months in and it is still meat salt and water.

I'm not the luckiest guy in the world and I feel like if I were to go back to that way of eating I would pick the most inflammatory first. That would be my luck.

So, yep, you are amongst meat and egg eaters.

Scott

Thank you for your post. It affirms that what I’m doing is the absolutely right thing for me to do. I see the Keto people and the “dirty carnivore” people and think, “they’re so lucky!” And that makes my WOE seem like a negative thing, when in fact no, for me, it’s the very best thing I can do. And saying, “well, it’s an individual thing” is used as a cop out even though it’s also true! I often hear it said by those who want to continue to eat their SAD foods and go on their merry ways. I have to filter that comment, in my head,” and tell myself, “no, diet really IS an individual thing.” Even though that concept is abused, it’s still true.

Yep, very true. One of my favorite and least favorite things to hear is when I say I only eat meats, salt and water on the carnivore diet, one, everyone becomes a physician, dietician on nutritionist on the spot and two, they are usually eating a Big Mac with a Super-sized fries and soft drink. (or something similar).

It can be a tough ticket to sell and most of the time I will discuss if they seem interested but if they are preaching to me or teaching me, I find a way to move on.

I do believe it is individual in results but most carnivores fall under the same blanket. X amount of fat may work for you but I may do better with XX amount of fat. And my body may respond to carnivore differently than yours or someone else's, but still we have the same basic approach.

My wife does not eat the carnivore way so I still have some variety in my meats but at the same time I have found I feel better and do better on red meat, especially red fatty meat. I like chicken and pork and fish as much as the next guy but if we were not shopping for two/cooking for two I would go straight lion's diet and eat only red meat.

This is a good place to bounce your ideas around and share your experiences. I enjoy the experiences of others as I have learned a ton from the others on this board.

Scott

Welcome to Carnivore Talk Georgia. Glad you could join us

I’m not Lion but all I eat is fat, protein, salt and water. I will have some cheese or yogurt occasionally and I do eat chicken and pork.

Please don’t ever think that what you are doing is something negative. You have to follow your own path in this journey. Your unique circumstances have put you in this situation but many chose to do this just for general health. You are not alone. You are among like minded individuals here and no one will judge you for your choices. As carnivores, most of us give up things that most are not willing to give up and that makes us all unique in this lifestyle.

Thank you for your encouragement, everyone. I like the way you said this, Scott: “everyone becomes a physician, dietician, or nutritionist on the spot,” as they munch their toxic food.

My aunt just, shall we say, covertly, called me out on eating so many eggs because they are “high cholesterol.” This after she got dx’d with onset Alzheimer’s. It’s heartbreaking and nerve wracking at the same time that they believe what they do.

Thing is, I don’t go around correcting others on their food choices. I wonder why they’re so comfortable telling us carnivores what they think? I dunno. I don’t worry about their verbal clamor as much as I used to, but it always takes me some time to throw off their comments.

I think most of us have had that experience. I am guessing the vegan crowd gets the same reaction as anything outside the "norm" can be frowned upon.

Eggs can be a focal point for many as we were taught for many years the dangers of cholesterol and how they link directly to negative heart health, like red meat and saturated fats.

Again, eating eggs is taboo but stopping by a fast-food joint three-four times per week is not frowned upon by many.

I'm cheap by nature and have found many benefits from going carnivore. Early on I was bored on night shift and did the math on fast-food, soft drinks and snack cakes I was eating daily before carnivore. I work rotating swing shifts and hit this country store on my way to work on most every day I worked. I started every day with two big bacon, egg and cheese sandwiches on buns, a Mountain Dew and two snack cakes from there or Bojangles for two chicken biscuits, a large fry and two cinnamon twists with a large Pepsi, every day I worked. On my days off I started everyday with a Mountain Dew and two Little Debbie snack cakes. Back then I could eat like a horse, maybe even two horses. I was dropping well over $400 a month on the very dumpster diet that was killing me slowly.

I'm so cheap the $400 realization is as much motivation as all the health benefits from eating the way I do now. LOL

Babbling, but I have friends who tell me I am too small, or lost weight too fast, and need vegetables in my diet, and when I come back with, I have not taken pain nor inflammation medicine in 9-10 months now. I was eating my way to pain and inflammation every day then taking medicine to get through the next day. Carnivore changed that for me, yet, the doctor in them comes out as they want to correct my way of thinking.

It is funny how that works.

Scott

I love it, Scott!

I haven’t lost weight on carnivore at all, though I could stand to lose 20 lbs. No idea why it’s this way with me, but the other perks are there for sure: no more inflammation, no more out-of-control cravings, and yes, I’m saving a ton of money eating this way.

10 hours ago, GeorgiaCath said:

My aunt just, shall we say, covertly, called me out on eating so many eggs because they are “high cholesterol.”

We were all brainwashed like that at one time. Fortunately our minds opened up like a parachute before it was too late and we learned the truth. Some people will never accept the truth no matter what you tell them.

10 hours ago, GeorgiaCath said:

I don’t worry about their verbal clamor as much as I used to, but it always takes me some time to throw off their comments.

The best defense is to have a good offense. Arm yourself with truth, knowledge and the facts. Be prepared to site the studies, direct them to the doctors and provide the proof that proves your case. This will give you more confidence and when you exhibit confidence it gives you more authority. When they babble with their jargon just ask them to site their studies or proof. Be prepared.

9 hours ago, GeorgiaCath said:

I haven’t lost weight on carnivore at all, though I could stand to lose 20 lbs. No idea why it’s this way with me

There can be many reasons for this. I don’t know how long you’ve been a carnivore or how you eat so it could be a time thing or more than likely a hormonal thing or just an adaptation thing. As long as you are seeing results that’s what matters. Healing is primary and weight loss is secondary and usually happens in time.

Hi Cathy,

I'm a dirty carnivore. I haven't had any major health problems, but now understand where all those tummy aches were coming from. I occasionally eat some broccoli, pickles and nuts. Lately I have been try to stick to meat and eggs as I went on a several month SAD bender over the winter.

When people question my food choices I try to say something like, I have learned that I don't feel well when I eat XYZ. Kinda hard to continue to pressure someone to eat something that makes them unwell.

My why is to thrive mentally and physically till I die. I have seen too many older women just breathing and eating, but not actually living for decades before they die. I'd love to avoid that.

3 hours ago, Miranda said:

Hi Cathy,

I'm a dirty carnivore. I haven't had any major health problems, but now understand where all those tummy aches were coming from. I occasionally eat some broccoli, pickles and nuts. Lately I have been try to stick to meat and eggs as I went on a several month SAD bender over the winter.

When people question my food choices I try to say something like, I have learned that I don't feel well when I eat XYZ. Kinda hard to continue to pressure someone to eat something that makes them unwell.

My why is to thrive mentally and physically till I die. I have seen too many older women just breathing and eating, but not actually living for decades before they die. I'd love to avoid that.

Men too.

I would like to avoid that as well.

Scott

I've a condition where my bones would fuse together, each and every bone in my body. Also a lot of inflammation in ligaments, tendons, and possibly all organs in my body. For over 30 years I have noticed -almost immediatly- the pain that comes to eating certain foods. I just had to put the puzzle together.

Doctors just wanted to hide my pain, without offering any solution of the kind. They said there is no cure, they said I was born this way.

I was too stubborn to listen to that advice, it just didn't make sense to me. I've never been overweight because the food would punish me the next day, not after years and a considerable bulk of fat to go with it. SO it kept me from over eating.

I've found that, it is what you eat, not how much of it, first and foremost. Only then it matters how much you eat.

The prognosis was a wheel chair at one point, or at least walking with a cane, dealing with pain on a daily basis. Carnivore changed all that.

I am not harcore lion (beef, lamb, and water), I do have a bit of dark chocolate, and coffee. An occasional avocado or maybe even a handful of pecans. Some blueberries may find their way down my neck. But overal I have found myself in the best, strongest, leanest, and pain free shape I've ever been in at 50.

Lifting weights (keep your muscles healthy over anything!) and this diet has put me in a spot where my condition (AS) is but an after thought. A condition that used to rule my life, a warden looking over me.

I'm hapy you could join us, we learn together here.

3 hours ago, Miranda said:

dirty carnivore.

This sounds like an 80s Heavy Metal band. I think this should be a T-Shirt.

Y’all are just great. Thanks for your input, but mainly, thanks for speaking this language! It really is like that, isn’t it? Like you’ve gone to a different country where you don’t eat what the natives eat? You don’t talk like they talk (when it comes to food, which is a lot of the time), don’t go where they go (to the pasta restaurants or fill-in-the-blank-SAD-restaurant). I live parenthetically to the rest of the world. Add to that that I’m a woman of faith, and boy, I live a very different life! BUT- it’s so, so good. No complaints. Like the company shirts say, “Life is good.”

5 hours ago, Orweller said:

This sounds like an 80s Heavy Metal band. I think this should be a T-Shirt.

10 hours ago, Orweller said:

I've a condition where my bones would fuse together, each and every bone in my body. Also a lot of inflammation in ligaments, tendons, and possibly all organs in my body. For over 30 years I have noticed -almost immediatly- the pain that comes to eating certain foods. I just had to put the puzzle together.

Doctors just wanted to hide my pain, without offering any solution of the kind. They said there is no cure, they said I was born this way.

I was too stubborn to listen to that advice, it just didn't make sense to me. I've never been overweight because the food would punish me the next day, not after years and a considerable bulk of fat to go with it. SO it kept me from over eating.

I've found that, it is what you eat, not how much of it, first and foremost. Only then it matters how much you eat.

The prognosis was a wheel chair at one point, or at least walking with a cane, dealing with pain on a daily basis. Carnivore changed all that.

I am not harcore lion (beef, lamb, and water), I do have a bit of dark chocolate, and coffee. An occasional avocado or maybe even a handful of pecans. Some blueberries may find their way down my neck. But overal I have found myself in the best, strongest, leanest, and pain free shape I've ever been in at 50.

Lifting weights (keep your muscles healthy over anything!) and this diet has put me in a spot where my condition (AS) is but an after thought. A condition that used to rule my life, a warden looking over me.

I'm hapy you could join us, we learn together here.

Great story. Congrats on the victory.

Big picture for me, it is just crazy to me at times how with all the advances in modern medicine we find the answer in a ribeye.

Scott

11 hours ago, Scott F. said:

with all the advances in modern medicine we find the answer in a ribeye.

The advances were mostly in how to monetize pain management.

They are still demonizing saturated fat, still demonizing meat, etc. What advances? Science has been bought, and that prevents advances such as we hope for. And if we have advances, better open up a bank account. It's behind a imprenatable paywall.

A way of eating is the only tool we have to somehow take a different path, and try on our own to get better.

17 hours ago, GeorgiaCath said:

Y’all are just great. Thanks for your input, but mainly, thanks for speaking this language! It really is like that, isn’t it? Like you’ve gone to a different country where you don’t eat what the natives eat? You don’t talk like they talk (when it comes to food, which is a lot of the time), don’t go where they go (to the pasta restaurants or fill-in-the-blank-SAD-restaurant). I live parenthetically to the rest of the world. Add to that that I’m a woman of faith, and boy, I live a very different life! BUT- it’s so, so good. No complaints. Like the company shirts say, “Life is good.”

It's like stepping out of the matrix.

2 hours ago, Orweller said:

The advances were mostly in how to monetize pain management.

They are still demonizing saturated fat, still demonizing meat, etc. What advances? Science has been bought, and that prevents advances such as we hope for. And if we have advances, better open up a bank account. It's behind a imprenatable paywall.

A way of eating is the only tool we have to somehow take a different path, and try on our own to get better.

True. I truly believe there is no financial future with cures. I'm sure there have been a few that cured the common cold but not that I am total conspiracy theorist, but I'm guessing they died a mysterious death or wound up in an unmarked grave.

I still believe in the benefits of modern medicine I just have a bigger belief that the medicine is the stopping point for most doctors and most people.

For me, it took me years to punish my body with a dumpster diet to develop all the issues I had coming into carnivore. I was diagnosed in 2018 and the pain management medicines and the infusions kept me going. If someone is rushed into the emergency room with life threatening issues, like blood pressure or glucose or cardiac type issue, the advances of modern medicine can save their life with basically an immediate response.

My issue is that is where the treatment stops for most. You are now on this medicine forever and we are not going to figure out the root cause and get you off the medicine.

I didn't know about carnivore in 2018 so I was thankful that the medicines kept me around for what turned out to be the next six years. I started carnivore as a weight loss hack and had no idea it would provide any other benefit. The weight peeled off just as advertised. As I read and learned I thought most of the stories on boards like, and youtube, and etc, were pretty much full of it. Click the button below, or buy this product, etc, etc. I'm a nay-sayer at heart. As I started to need my medicine less and less, and (I'm sort of slow) putting two and two together, I figured out that the things I had eliminated from my diet could have been my problem all along.

Although I am super appreciative of the medicines that saved me, I do wish I had dug deeper way back when and figured this out 6+ years ago. Being off "supposed life long medicines' is an incredible feeling.

I appreciate the advances in the short term but most would appreciate them/the process even more if the health system pushed things to the next step.

As you stated, all the money is in continued treatment.

Scott

Advances in Modern malady maintenance is more like it.

2 hours ago, Scott F. said:

I still believe in the benefits of modern medicine I just have a bigger belief that the medicine is the stopping point for most doctors and most people.

So very true. Modern medicine has saved my life on numerous occasions. It has also tried to kill me. Then there are the times when it’s just kept me on the hook.