Hello,

I’m Cathy, 64, and the organs in my core are fused together with adhesions. There. Got that out of the way. That means that any carbs I eat (plant based foods) ferment in my gut and break down my immune system bc my organs don’t churn or burn like they’re supposed to. That means my diet is as hard core as Mikhaila’s. Cheating is devastatingly painful.

Anybody else here eating just meat and eggs?

2 hours ago, Geezy said:

So very true. Modern medicine has saved my life on numerous occasions. It has also tried to kill me. Then there are the times when it’s just kept me on the hook.

As I learn more and more, this statement is incredibly accurate.

I feel like the medicines saved me and I also feel like they kept me going. I am not sure if they did any harm, maybe, maybe not. I do believe 'keeping me going' and 'on the hook' are really similar.

With all that, I am really appreciative of where I am today.

Scott

On 5/4/2025 at 7:57 AM, GeorgiaCath said:

Thank you for your post. It affirms that what I’m doing is the absolutely right thing for me to do. I see the Keto people and the “dirty carnivore” people and think, “they’re so lucky!” And that makes my WOE seem like a negative thing, when in fact no, for me, it’s the very best thing I can do. And saying, “well, it’s an individual thing” is used as a cop out even though it’s also true! I often hear it said by those who want to continue to eat their SAD foods and go on their merry ways. I have to filter that comment, in my head,” and tell myself, “no, diet really IS an individual thing.” Even though that concept is abused, it’s still true.

I feel my best when I do several days in a row of Beef, Salt and water. I should eat that way, everyday. I'm not even sure why I don't 😄

30 minutes ago, Terry said:

I feel my best when I do several days in a row of Beef, Salt and water. I should eat that way, everyday. I'm not even sure why I don't 😄

The same.

If I were single or if we cooked separate meals I would go straight red meats. I can actually feel a difference the few times I did red meats for a week to ten days.

My wife does a ton to support my carnivore eating so mixing in chicken and fish here and there is a pretty good trade-off.

Scott

That is my story, too.

19 hours ago, Scott F. said:

but I'm guessing they died a mysterious death or wound up in an unmarked grave.

Science field seems to use humiliation tactics, they all just pile on and call the person a fraud and try to ruin there reputation. Like what they tried to do to Baker and Noakes or Galileo.

21 hours ago, Scott F. said:

I didn't know about carnivore in 2018 so I was thankful that the medicines kept me around

Kept you around to take more drugs, to fill the coffers of the drug dealers. And you were grateful to do so.

You were poisoned, then saved, and you were thankful. They gave you poison to treat the first poison. What they never did was educate about the first poison, offer a cure, they stood by and took your money. They probably had a good laugh to the bank.

We've been had, fool us once.... we've been had my friend.

2 hours ago, Miranda said:

Science field seems to use humiliation tactics, they all just pile on and call the person a fraud and try to ruin there reputation. Like what they tried to do to Baker and Noakes or Galileo.

I believe this to be true. The bullying tactics are even applied to the patients.

It's a protection racket. A Sopranos episode.

11 hours ago, Scott F. said:

The same.

If I were single or if we cooked separate meals I would go straight red meats. I can actually feel a difference the few times I did red meats for a week to ten days.

My wife does a ton to support my carnivore eating so mixing in chicken and fish here and there is a pretty good trade-off.

Scott

I do most of our cooking so my wife follows along with what I'm having around 95% of the time. Sometimes she'll just whip up a chaffle and do her own thing, which is great for me because I will then sometimes just fast for the day or go a completely go a different direction (pan fried Spam and eggs is one example). Once you understand your body and how it responds on carnivore you then make your own modifications and get on with life. No veg for either one of us, a few oranges or strawberries we do eat yet but not everyday and usually only in season. For myself a Lion diet is still probably the best way of living.

17 minutes ago, Orweller said:

Kept you around to take more drugs, to fill the coffers of the drug dealers. And you were grateful to do so.

You were poisoned, then saved, and you were thankful. They gave you poison to treat the first poison. What they never did was educate about the first poison, offer a cure, they stood by and took your money. They probably had a good laugh to the bank.

We've been had, fool us once.... we've been had my friend.

I have been taking Copaxone for my MS for several years and just last week told my Neurologist to NOT refill the yearly scrip for it. She had no problem with me making that decision and just suggested I taper off the remaining doses I have left. You can just quit Copaxone "cold turkey" because it's not a biologic or hard core therapy but she suggested it as being the best for my body. Copaxone is only effective in about 30% of MS cases and after age 65-70 it's not very effective for most of the people that use it. I had never felt any different or noticed any effect from using it, and it costs over $25,000 a year! Great deal, eh! 😂. I'll turn that $25K into meat and be much happier for it! The medical and drug business is not curing people. They just keep their customer base alive to generate income.

Do your own research and be your own doctor for most things, anyways. When I broke my femur, well there I needed lots of help from several doctors 🤣

57 minutes ago, Terry said:

I had never felt any different or noticed any effect from using it, and it costs over $25,000 a year! Great deal, eh!

A man without medicine is a rich man.

1 hour ago, Orweller said:

A man without medicine is a rich man.

Just go back about 200 years or so and the term "Doctor" really was just a slightly more educated person than you were at the time. Now go back 1000 years and there is virtually no difference in education. I'm thinking Witchdoctors and things like that. now go back 10,000 years when we were all the same as far as life education goes. NO doctors and everyone survived quite well with very little disease just by eating mostly meat. Modern doctors are useless for improving anyone's health using nutrition. They will gladly throw a boatload of chemicals at you though! When I told my Nuero that I was stopping my MS drug she was okay with that but she did ask if I thought anymore about trying Ampyra which is supposed to improve walking ability. I said No Thanks, I'm good to go! I'll use daily bovine consumption instead.

26 and had endured much at the hands of many physicians, and had spent all that she had and was not helped at all, but rather had grown worse-- (Mark 5:25, NASB)

I go back in a couple weeks and I may be having that same conversation with the Rituxin. Since the onset in 2018 I can feel the difference between having the infusion, the next three months, and then the last two or so before the next one. The last month or so before the infusion I get a little run down, the fatigue sort of returns and I have been susceptible to most anything coming down the pipe. I was a frequent flyer during covid with and without positive tests.

The last time I didn't really didn't get the run down feeling the last month or so, (five months on carnivore) and this time I'm as energetic as all get out. I'm stacking night shifts like cord wood and going to the gym consistently. I can say I have not felt better in a really long time, and especially since being diagnosed is 2018. Tomorrow is one year.

My last blood work suggests I am on the cusps of having a normal immune system. If it tracks accordingly the next test should be "in the green".

I get that there is a lot of negativity toward the state/approach of the current medical system and I understand the profit taking precedence over overall health. Nothing hard to understand there. But at the same time, I am both thankful and appreciative for the treatments I received. Good or bad, it got me to a point where I was still kicking to make a better decision.

The alternative would not have ended well.

Scott

Y’all have been great about sharing your stories and encouragement. I appreciate every word.

I had surgery and have been MIA for a time but have still been thinking about this group, about all of us facing hopeful futures where we’re not bogged down by SAD diseases. Yesterday at the hospital, my very large male nurse, shared that he “just needed to get this weight off,” so I told him “just go carnivore. You’ll love it.” He of course worried about fiber, all the things, and I assured him that I hadn’t had fiber for years but my system and bloodwork were all textbook perfect (I had surgery due to adhesions, not disease or illness). Anyway, I thought of how few and far between are the people who genuinely listen to what we have to say.

Also, I wanted to say that when I first put up my post, I was eating beef and eggs. Now it’s just beef. Meat. I had a reaction to eggs a few days ago, and boy did it break my heart. I believe Mickhalia said the same thing. I keep seeing parallels w her story and think, “golly pete, am I really there? Is it really that bad?” And yeah, my case is that severe. I’m glad to be here among friends.

3 hours ago, Scott F. said:

I get that there is a lot of negativity toward the state/approach of the current medical system and I understand the profit taking precedence over overall health. Nothing hard to understand there. But at the same time, I am both thankful and appreciative for the treatments I received. Good or bad, it got me to a point where I was still kicking to make a better decision.

The alternative would not have ended well.

I get that for sure. My cardiologists kept me going until this carnivore life could take over and reverse everything.

It’s just a crying shame that more people haven’t learned the truths that we have.

3 hours ago, GeorgiaCath said:

Anyway, I thought of how few and far between are the people who genuinely listen to what we have to say.

All we can do is be a good example and be ready with an answer when asked.

Agreed.

It is one thing to lead by example and an even better to share one's knowledge.

I try not to make much about it when I get 'corrected' on my way of thinking/eating. I provide feedback when I can but if the wall has been built I don't spend an awful lot of time trying to break down barriers.

I'm coming up on my semi-annual visit with my neurologist and our biggest conversation will be around my immunoglobulin numbers, my immune system and have I 'healed' enough to discontinue the infusions. My last bloodwork said I was really close to being 'normal'. I'm interested to see where we land.

I have been lucky with the two Neurologists I see. Both are super-supportive of my carnivore efforts. My primary is pretty much 'if it is working for you, then it is working for me' approach. If you think the people in this group are anti-statins, you should listen to his spiel. If you didn't know him or have contact with him, you would think it was an all-out scare tactic. He is that much against them due to long term neurological and brain impact.

I alternate visits between the two but my second is participating in research studies for MS at the Mayo clinic. The Mayo clinic is not onboard with the carnivore approach but the number of people in the MS community seeing positive results with carnivore is ever increasing. One of the interesting facts is that in the 50's one of the most successful treatments for MS was called the 'red meat diet'. It was basically the Lion diet before it got the catchy name. Dr. Chaffeee speaks to this in one of his carnivore-auto immune videos. My neurologist actually checks in on me and my progress in between visits. She asked if she could present my story to her colleagues even asking if another neurologist could sit in on my last appointment.

I feel like I'm in a really good place with neurology. My primary family doctor is on board with the results and not totally against carnivore, but he is not a fan of my LDL. He is not a fan of the number of eggs I eat per day/per week.

I also enjoy the board here. I am a much bigger fan of a person's personal story as I am 'study for this and study for that'. It is almost like there is a study to support whatever your persuasion is about just about any choice you make. I often chuckle at how two people from the same medical school, who received the same education/training on a 'scientific' subject can have such polar opposite opinions. And then can deliver 'scientific studies' to support whichever side of the fence they are standing. Like, 2=+2=4, regardless of what side of the fence one resides. I guess I amjust not smart like that.

I can relate better to someone's personal experience. This type forum works well for me.

Scott

11 hours ago, Geezy said:

I get that for sure. My cardiologists kept me going until this carnivore life could take over and reverse everything.

It’s just a crying shame that more people haven’t learned the truths that we have.

All we can do is be a good example and be ready with an answer when asked.

I feel that - "no one really cares about their health until it's too late" and then they will try anything to resolve it. Fortunately for most carnivores it can be turned around. When I first started out, It worked so well I was telling everyone about it ands QUICKLY found that NO ONE wanted to hear it, so "screw'em" is my route I go now. It is my secret answer to life. If someone asks and I can sense that they are truly interested in changing their life then I will suggest a few influencers videos to them and see how it goes from there. It's not my job to save the world! My wife and I now like to glance at other people's shopping carts when we go food shopping just to see the poor choices being made.

1 hour ago, Terry said:

I feel that - "no one really cares about their health until it's too late" and then they will try anything to resolve it. Fortunately for most carnivores it can be turned around. When I first started out, It worked so well I was telling everyone about it ands QUICKLY found that NO ONE wanted to hear it, so "screw'em" is my route I go now. It is my secret answer to life. If someone asks and I can sense that they are truly interested in changing their life then I will suggest a few influencers videos to them and see how it goes from there. It's not my job to save the world! My wife and I now like to glance at other people's shopping carts when we go food shopping just to see the poor choices being made.

Exactly. We all experience this. I came to carnivore in desperation. I was tired of dying and was ready to start living.

It’s a hard reality when we find that others don’t share our same enthusiasm. Fortunately we have our carnivore communities of like minded people.

Agreed.

I came to carnivore with zero health expectations other than losing weight and maybe the benefits from losing weight. I went from 'having no idea' to life changing results out of the blue. Talking about a pleasant surprise.

When someone seems genuinely interested my spiel starts off with, "If you had told me this same story 12 months ago, I would be thinking you are full of it". Then lead into what it did for me in relative short order. I also direct them to the influencers and videos.

Most continue on their path and in turn, I continue on mine.

Scott