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Hard to say. Have you had this before? Have you had this the whole time? Or is this a recent issue? It could be temporary from being ill or eating something that may have been going bad. You would expect this to resolve in time. If it doesn't resolve, gets worse, or is accompanied by blood (dark blood in the stool, not light blood on the toilet paper from a hemorrhoid or over-wiping) then you may want to see a doctor. It could be anything from anxiety to ulcerative colitis - which I used to have so i know what it's like to have snot on the wrong end.
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What Did You Eat Today?
Bob replied to Geezy's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
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The more you can eliminate, the better. For the record, I still drink diet soda and occasionally (not daily) chew gum. I still lost a ton of weight and reversed several of my health issues, save one. I would try to lose the gum chewing though. That satisfies a fixation for snacking and tasting something sweet, both of which you want to conquer. Plus, overdoing it on the artificial sweeteners found in chewing gum will cause gas and digestive upset. The diet soda is more benign, but can still be an addiction. And it may trigger a cephalic phase insulin response - although with you being a type 2 diabetic, this probably isn't an issue. And not all artificial sweeteners do this for everybody, and not everybody has this response. The more health issues you want/need to fix, the more strict you want to be for 30, 60, or 90 days (the more the better). If you're generally healthy, you can take a more carnivore-centric, carnivor-ish, meat-based keto approach.
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Help Regarding My Blood Sugars
Bob replied to Evie's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
So you are experiencing the "dawn phenomenon" as mentioned above. And the reason it takes so long to come down is because you are still diabetic and not taking insulin anymore. As a Type II Diabetic, you have one or both of these issues going on: 1) Your cells are insulin resistant, and 2) Your pancreas produces insufficient amounts of insulin. A normal healthy person would see that morning blood sugar spike come down fairly fast, but for you it takes until the evening. You can either choose not to worry about it or resume some insulin, to which you will not need nearly as much as you were taking before. -
So, I'm a bit indifferent when it comes to salt. IMO, the additives in typical table salt are trivial. But, Redmond's and Pink Himalayan salts are going to have more minerals in them because it hasn't been refined. You're actually doing the opposite of what you think you are doing. There is no potassium in table salt, but there IS potassium in Redmond's salt.
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These articles always have to end with a CYA statement to pacify the vegans, lol.
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What Did You Eat Today?
Bob replied to Geezy's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
I had NY Strips last night. The wife is starting to kick against steak and burger again, lol. I keep buying in bulk at Sam's Club, but it doesn't get eaten fast enough and ends up in the freezer. I'm going to have to stop buying fresh for a while because I have quite the collection going on, lol.- 1,369 replies
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They say autophagy. If you can fit in some 1-3 day fasts here and there, it's supposed to help. I'm getting there. When I dropped a bunch of weight last year, you could see it in my face. I was getting that turkey neck folds, lol. My new beard hides that now
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The dangers of veganism A vegan diet has been linked to stroke, depression and pregnancy complications. Here’s what you need to know David Cox 8 September 2024 • 10:00am There are currently an estimated 2.5 million vegans in the UK Credit: Getty The vegan diet is often described in the context of its benefits for weight loss and heart health. Cult documentaries such as Netflix’s The Game Changers have helped push a narrative that going plant-based is not only best for the planet, but better for our own wellbeing. There are currently an estimated 2.5 million vegans in the UK, a figure which has nearly doubled in the past 12 months alone. This has helped to greatly enrich vegan food companies, with the UK market for meat substitutes worth more than £800 million, making it the second largest in Europe, behind Germany. Yet at the same time, accumulating studies are suggesting that the metabolic benefits of going vegan are accompanied by a plethora of health risks stemming from the diet’s inherent restrictions which involves avoiding all animal products including meat, fish, seafood, eggs, dairy, and honey. The emerging concerns range from a heightened risk of diseases relating to the skeletal and nervous systems, to conditions such as haemorrhagic stroke. “We’re basically not designed to be vegans,” says Dr Geoff Mullan, a functional medicine practitioner. “There’s some big macronutrients and micronutrients missing if you’re just eating a vegan diet. You can get plenty of proteins on a vegan diet, but there is a concern that you’re not getting enough of the right type of protein. Plant-based proteins are not the same as animal-based proteins or dairy, and our body doesn’t process them in the same way.” Anne Hathaway recalled that after eating a piece of salmon after several years as a vegan, 'my brain felt like a computer rebooting' Credit: Vianney Le Caer/Invision/AP Even some of the diet’s biggest celebrity advocates have ultimately returned to an omnivorous life after tiring of the restrictive nature of being vegan, combined with some worrying health concerns. Miley Cyrus told Joe Rogan’s podcast: “I was vegan for a very long time, and I’ve had to introduce fish and omegas into my life because my brain wasn’t functioning properly. Now I’m so much sharper than I was and I think that I was, at one point, pretty malnutritioned. Anne Hathaway also described that she “just didn’t feel good or healthy” while on a vegan diet and recalled that after eating a piece of salmon after several years as a vegan, “my brain felt like a computer rebooting”. So why can going vegan lead to health concerns and what do nutritional scientists think? The health risks While dietary protein can be sourced from plants, plant proteins are not only 50-70 per cent less digestible than animal proteins, but according to the World Health Organisation, animal proteins are regarded as complete protein, meaning they have higher biological value. One recent study examined the adequacy of a vegan diet in terms of macronutrients through surveying the nutritional intake of vegans across Europe, finding that vegans consumed the least total protein. Clare Collins, a professor of nutrition and dietetics at the University of Newcastle in New South Wales, Australia, says that problems can arise when people end up starting a vegan or even a vegetarian diet as something of a fad, and thus fail to ensure that what they’re eating meets all their nutrient requirements. “I think the main danger is whether you’re truly committed to that, or whether it’s just this week I’m a vegan, I’m going to do that for a few months,” she says. A vegan diet can lead to deficiencies in nutrients such as calcium, iron and vitamin B12 Credit: Getty One of the most well-known risks is vitamin B12 deficiency, something which has been linked to neurological problems and blood disorders. Vitamin B12 is found in foods such as meat, poultry and eggs. Other studies have suggested that inadequate vitamin B12 consumption may even raise the risk of cancers, with some epidemiologists finding that postmenopausal female patients with low vitamin B12 levels have a heightened risk of breast cancer. Reduced vitamin B12 levels have also been linked to risk of developing cancerous growths in the cervix and gastrointestinal tract. While vitamin B12 supplementation is known as being imperative for vegans, Dr Mullan says that most of the vegans he sees in his practice tend to have lower than optimal vitamin B12 and iron levels as well as being deficient in another crucial nutrient, omega-3. Omega-3s are vital for brain health and function as they are concentrated in particularly high levels in brain cells. “We do quite a lot of blood testing and when I see a blood panel I can always tell that it’s a vegan straight away because the lipid [blood fat] profiles are normally really good, but vitamin B12 and iron levels are always in their boots,” says Dr Mullan. “And their omega-3s are always really bad.” Dr Mullan explains this is because omega-3s exist in two forms. We typically get so-called long-chain omega-3s such as EPA and DHA from eating fatty fish or omega-3 enriched eggs. However, the omega-3s found in plant-only sources such as chia and flax seeds are shorter-chain omega-3s, which we struggle to process as effectively. “At best, only somewhere between 5 and 10 per cent of short-chain omega-3s can get converted to a form we can actually use,” says Dr Mullan. It’s bad for your bones While consuming calcium-rich vegetables such as kale and broccoli can protect bones, two of the biggest population studies that have monitored vegans over time – one which followed Seventh Day Adventists in the United States and Canada, and the EPIC-Oxford study which tracked the health of around 65,000 meat-eaters, vegetarians and vegans across the UK – have indicated that many vegans don’t actually meet their calcium requirements. As a result, the risk of hip fracture, leg fractures and general bone fractures, has been found to be higher in vegans compared with meat eaters. Much of this is thought to be because calcium is less easily absorbed from plant foods compared to dairy products, while various studies have also shown that vegans consume insufficient vitamin D which exacerbates calcium shortages. “Long-term observational studies of vegans find adverse effects on bone density that is probably caused by very low calcium and marginally adequate protein intakes,” says Thomas Sanders, an honorary professor of nutritional sciences at King’s College London. “Although vegan diets may have favourable effects on health in middle-age such as a lower risk of cardiovascular disease and Type 2 diabetes, this is not the case in older vegans who seem more likely to suffer from muscle loss, low bone density and neurological disorders which have a significant impact on the quality of life.” Greater stroke risk One particularly alarming finding from the EPIC-Oxford study was that vegetarians and vegans had a 20 per cent greater risk of stroke compared with meat eaters. This finding has been corroborated by several studies in Japan, suggesting that individuals with a very low intake of animal products have an increased risk of stroke and that key animal-derived nutrients such as vitamin B12, essential amino acids and long chain omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids have a protective effect against stroke. Pregnancy complications Earlier this year a small study conducted by researchers in Denmark suggested that vegan mothers may have a poorer prenatal nutritional status, which can lead to worse outcomes for the foetus and baby. In particular, the mothers were found to be at a greater risk of preeclampsia, a pregnancy complication that causes dangerously high blood pressure levels, while their babies had a lower birth weight compared to those of omnivores. Dr Duane Mellor, a registered dietitian, points out that while the study was small and only monitored 18 vegans, the challenges of ensuring that a vegan diet is nutritionally complete can have health consequences. “There can be risks of lower intakes of iron, iodine and vitamins B12 and D which can affect the health of both the mother, along with the development of the baby,” says Dr Mellor. Depression and mental health A general concern with restrictive diets is that they can lead to disordered eating habits, and be reflective of a condition called orthorexia nervosa, which is defined as a fixation on health-conscious eating behaviour. This involves obsessive food decisions, self-imposed anxiety, self-punishment, and ritual activities surrounding food preparations. Research has found that both vegetarians and vegans, particularly women, are more prone to orthorexia nervosa. Some vegans who have subsequently switched back to an omnivorous diet have complained of low energy levels while following a vegan diet. Like Cyrus, her partner at the time, Liam Hemsworth described feeling “low and lethargic” while on the diet. One scientific review from researchers at King’s College London and the University of Nicosia in Cyprus found 11 studies which suggested that vegetarian or vegan diets are linked to higher rates of depression, potentially due to deficiencies in omega-3 and vitamin B12. Reduced concentrations of omega-3 fatty acids in the brain can cause significant changes in brain function, including changes in neuron size, learning and memory, while both omega-3 and vitamin B12 are involved in the transmission of key brain chemicals. Both Miley Cyrus and Liam Hemsworth, her partner at the time, ditched their vegan lifestyles for health reasons Credit: Ian West/PA Wire “There’s also iodine which is essential for making thyroid hormones, which are essential for energy and mental health,” says Dr Mullan. “Iodine is one of the most common deficiencies in vegans because it’s very difficult to get it from plant sources, unless you’re eating lots of seaweed.” The risks for kids Generation Z are particularly at the forefront of the shift to a plant-based diet. Back in 2021, 8 percent of British children were identifying as vegan and 13 per cent as vegetarian, and now some surveys have suggested that more than half of Gen Zers may be choosing to follow a meat-free diet by 2025. However, there are particular concerns about the consequences of a lack of animal protein in children, such as inhibited growth, lower bone mineral content and density, and poorer developmental outcomes. A review from scientists at UCL Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health found that nearly a third of vegetarian and vegan children do not take vitamin B12 supplements, resulting in deficiencies combined with lower iron stores, greater risk of vitamin D deficiency and inadequate iodine intake. The issues with vegan meats Another issue with the shift towards plant-based diets is that many shop-bought plant-based meat or dairy alternatives are ultra-processed foods. Richard Hoffman, a researcher at the University of Hertfordshire, says that rather than being made with ingredients such as lentils, plant-based meats tend to be manufactured with highly refined chemicals, combined with ingredients such as emulsifiers and stabilisers. “Plant-based meats really should be called fake meats, because they’re designed to mimic meat without actually containing anything resembling meat,” he says. “All these companies are doing their best to get the product to be indistinguishable from meat, but to do that, they have to use all these highly refined ingredients.” You don’t need to go full carnivore Ultimately, Dr Mullan says that the best approach is to combine the main benefits of a vegan diet (ie the high intake of fruits and vegetables) with a certain amount of protein through meat, fish and eggs. “I always say, the majority of your diet should be like a vegan diet with that higher vegetable intake, but adding in eggs, fish and occasionally red meat,” he says. ARTICLE SOURCE: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/diet/nutrition/dangers-of-veganism/
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What Did You Eat Today?
Bob replied to Geezy's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
The chinese call it Egg Drop soup, lol. Yesterday I feasted on .... NOTHING, lol. I had a colonoscopy this morning, so the last thing I ate was on Monday evening. I just broke my 40 hour fast with a 4 egg omelet with sausage, pepper jack cheese, and some feta cheese.- 1,369 replies
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Grocery store haul 8-27-24
Bob replied to Meathead's topic in Everyday Chit Chat & Off-topic Discussion
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Carnivore changes continue @120 days.
Bob replied to Scott F.'s topic in General Health and Wellness Discussion
You really want to try Lion Diet for a while, eh? I did that once for 30 days to get my potassium down, but outside of that, I personally love the variety. I'll still have the chicken and fish, but will have to find ways to fatten them up, lol. -
What's your Dr's thoughts 🤔
Bob replied to Meathead's topic in General Health and Wellness Discussion
Sounds like you're just fine.... The lipoprotein (a) normal range is less than 30 milligrams per deciliter (mg/dL) of blood. Abnormal results are: Borderline risk (14 to 30 mg/dL). High risk (greater than 31 to less than 50 mg/dL). Highest risk (higher than 50 mg/dL). -
missed the boat the last few days
Bob replied to Scott F.'s topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
And drink it closer to bedtime. Because if you are like me, the cramps happen at night and wake me out of a dead sleep. Just an observation: You started in May of this year. I started in May of last year. It's September and your experiencing cramps. My cramping problems didn't start until around October. I would be curious of others followed a similar timespan/pattern. -
What Did You Eat Today?
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I had to look up "inguinal hernia". But, you're saying the hernia had been repaired though, and this is a post-surgery "complication", right?- 1,369 replies
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5 Days in on Carnivore Diet with Prior Major Health issues
Bob replied to Tdyer07's topic in Greetings and Introductions
Welcome aboard @Tdyer07 I can relate to the broken ankle. I did one of those last year. My basic way of "changing things up" is to rotate what I eat or how I prepare them. For example, ground beef can be made loose like taco filling, or made into meatballs, meatloaf, burger patties, etc. I try not to have it the same way twice in a row, lol. I will also alternate ground beef with actual steak, chicken, fish, shrimp, etc. I like eggs and a breakfast meat. I will alternate bacon with sausage, and will also rotate between scrambled, over easy, omelet, and more. I do include cheese though. There's a ton of carnivore tricks and recipes you can incorporate using cheese. -
Welcome aboard. I'm stuck in Ohio this weekend. It's my 30th class reunion tonight. But I hope you have a good time, meet a lot of cool fellow keto-carnivores, and are filled with inspiration!
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Welcome aboard @Shawn M You can do it. I'm 48 years old and down 58lbs. I'm a tile setter in real life so my knees used to kill me, but I feel much better. I would think the combination of losing some weight and reducing inflammation through diet will benefit you too.
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Bob replied to Geezy's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
So, last night I went to a concert with the wife - an artist she really likes. I decided to have a mixer that had some bourbon (my fav) and some wild cherry stuff for the add mix. No doubt it was some flavored sugar water or corn syrup. First time I have had refined sugar since May 2023 and yes, technically breaks the vow I made with myself. Today, I feel like sludge. I mean absolute garbage. And that's why it has to be a vow.- 1,369 replies
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Sore muscles and tiredness
Bob replied to Till's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
Welcome aboard @Till. I wonder why they system gave you a big "E" as a default photo when your username and name starts with a "T", lol My first question is how long have you been doing carnivore? If this is recent, you may not be fat-adapted yet. Of course, the trick here would be to continue pushing through and boost your fat to protein intake, which should be a minimum of 1g:1g (which is about 70:30 fat calories to protein calories). You can boost fat macros with butter, lard, tallow, ghee, cheese, heavy cream, etc. -
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Bob replied to Geezy's topic in Carnivore, Meat-based Keto, & Ketovore Support
Not much.... https://nutritionaholic.com/magnesium-malate-vs-glycinate/ LMNT used Magnesium Malate. SALTT used Magnesium Chloride. I personally take a magnesium complex supplement that is 4-n-1.... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BC84FL5C?ref=nb_sb_ss_w_as-reorder_k1_1_7&=&crid=U3IRCV9O2FLL&=&sprefix=zentast I believe for women you could take UP TO 320mg a day as a supplement, if you even need that much.- 1,369 replies
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New to carnivore (sorta) and have hit a weight loss plateau
Bob replied to mdunavant's topic in Greetings and Introductions
I've got this video where I share my Carb Manager weight loss graph. It goes up and down, then up and down, etc. Weight loss certainly isn't linear... https://youtu.be/DzEsQOVUx0k?si=k8bu4kksV0pgEYq5 -
All that should be fine, provided there's nothing in the lichen or natto that you would be sensitive to. I imagine it would be a rather clean extract (vitamin D collected, rest of the algae discarded) so it should be toxin free. I've never heard of it till now. I couldn't find much about it outside of natural health and vegan based websites, but that's okay. This doesn't mean it's bad. It just means they are particularly excited about it. If you get plenty of sun, you might want to get your Vitamin D levels checked. And then if the dose is large, check it regularly. Vitamin D toxicity can be a thing. There is potassium in all meat, with Pork reigning supreme and Chicken coming in at a close second. I have stage 4 CKD, and sometimes I get hyperkalemic (high potassium) and have to back off the bacon for 30 days or so to get it back down. If you don't have a huge appetite, you might want to drink an electrolyte supplement like LMNT or SALTT to make up the difference. In the past, all these minerals used to be in our water. But today that's not the case.
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You will more than likely be just fine. Remember that you get most, if not all, of what you need from meat alone - particularly beef and eggs, and bonus points if you can do organ meats, as they are like multivitamins in and of themselves, being very bioavailable for humans. Certain plant based supplements might only yield a small benefit, because the plant form is not a form humans can use, so the human body has to convert it to a useable form, and it's not very efficient at that, so a lot goes to waste. Is there particular supplements you had in mind?
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New to carnivore (sorta) and have hit a weight loss plateau
Bob replied to mdunavant's topic in Greetings and Introductions
The human body can catch on to what were doing. Your metabolism was "trained" to be burning at a particular rate. Then you cut out a meal. This did two things. 1) It lowered the amount of fuel your taking in, and 2) it gave your body time to use up what you ate and tap into those reserves, and thus lose weight. But then it caught on, and slowed your metabolic rate to adapt to your new level of food intake. It's a survival mechanism. It think's there is less food (i.e. famine) and so it's conserving resources. You could try adding back in that 3rd meal for a few days or a week. Then your body is like "okay, the hard times are passed" and it can comfortable rase your metabolic rate. Then you can cut that meal and go back to intermittent fasting. Some people do this gradually. They used to eat 2000 calories a day, then cut it to 1500. They lose some wieght and then plateau. So after plateauing for a while (say, 30 days with no movement on the scale), they start adding calories, about 50 per day. 1550, 1600, 1650, 1700, 1750, etc etc... 2000. And then drop it to 1500 again and then the weight loss continues. Other people try tricking their body by suddenly switching fuels (carb cycling). One day for lunch, eat some fruit. The body is like OH, we have glucose to burn. But then go right back to strict carnivore and don't do it again for a week or two. Different "tricks of the trade" work for various individuals. But maybe the best advice is what Dr. Berry says, in that you need some "Vitamin P" - that is - patience. Wait it out, and it will start coming off again. Just let eating right and being healthy be your main goal, and the weight loss will do it's thing in it's own time.
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