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Considering I am a Sam's Club shopper, this article makes me happy.

Just not my Monday night live stream, lol. I've edited the comments in 3 or 4 posts in this topic. Let's keep it civil. From our Community Guidelines... Terms & Conditions Speach & Conduct. What is Carnivore Talk’s Code of Conduct? When posting information on the Carnivore Talk, use good taste when discussing sensitive topics. Both users and moderators are required to treat others with respect and honesty, and we expect you to be fair and informative. Post honest and valuable information with references if possible, and don’t post rumors or negative opinions that are not supported by facts. Aside from information in your post that directly relate your personal and unique experiences, references to any health-related or medical information you provide should be included in your post. 1) Upload Safe Content. Do not post anything that interferes with or disrupts the Sites or the operation thereof, including files that contain malicious code, viruses, corrupted files, or any other similar software or programs that may damage the operation of another’s computer, network or server. 2) Be kind. Do not post statements or materials that are libelous or defame, harass, abuse, stalk, threaten, intimidate or in any way infringe on the rights of others. 3) Respect the privacy of others. Do not post or upload personal information, pictures, videos or any other media of another person without their express permission. Do not post anything that violates the privacy or publicity rights of any other person, such as any personal identifying information of another individual, including, without limitation, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, Social Security numbers, credit card numbers or any trade secrets or information for which you have any obligation of confidentiality. 4) Keep it clean. Do not post statements or materials that are bigoted, hateful, racially offensive, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, profane, or otherwise objectionable, including language or images that typically would not be considered socially or professionally responsible or appropriate in person.

How much weight did you lose in all before plateauing? And then am I correct in reading that you were plateaued for about 2 months and then the rash happened? The rash is still a mystery, one that is unique to you. It's not the carnivore diet's fault. You would have gotten the rash long before this point in time if it was. Either it was environmental, or if it was diet-related it was something in the food you were eating OR you developed a sensitivity to something you were eating that you hadn't had previously. I think we already discussed examples like people who used to be able to eat eggs and then later develop some sort of intolerance towards them, but then egg source, egg quality, and chicken feed could all be the fine details behind the issue. And this comment is worthy of consideration. Some people do indeed fare better if their carnivore-centric diet (i.e. meat-based) leans in the direction of ketovore, keto, and even Saladino-style animal-based. Even he though, like Nick Norwitz, isn't going to be willing to chug soda and eat sour patch kids. Hopefully you see that's where most of us are drawing the line. In the end, we are advocates for whole foods and are vehemently against ultra-processed, refined foods. If you want to eat apples, honey, and maple syrup, and can still lose weight and maintain your health doing so, by all means. But we will forever speak against gummy bears, refined sugar, high-fructose corn syrup, and other foods proven to be harmful.

I get it. You're still low carb but with lean meat, making yours a high protein keto diet instead of a high fat keto diet. This is sustainable. Awesome results by the way. Keep up the good work!

Lol! I actually do plan on doing some Print on Demand merch, lol.

I'm behind on my social media. I'm working on catching up :)

And you have served her well. She benefitted from your care, and you will be rewarded for your self-sacrificing spirit. May you and your family receive the love and encouragement to remain strong during this difficult time.

That would assume that FGF21 is the sole mechanism behind weight loss. I don't think this is the case nor what Nick was implying. That said, yes, Nick is going to be biased because he is pro-Keto. But for good reasons. Protein and fats are essential for human health. Carbs and sugars aren't. Plus, the excess consumption of carbs and sugars can be detrimental. Eating Carnivore or Keto resembles a natural human diet. Gorging on candy does not. Even fruit was available only for a limited time and in limited quantities in ancient times. But with that said... Modern technology does allow us to manipulate things. Without it you couldn't eat all this fruit or candy. Thanks to science and technology, people can actually be vegan and survive - with supplementation. None of this could have been done a short while ago. But this is why I say in my video that I would hope one returns to a normal, natural, sensible pattern of eating even if they decide to do the sugar diet. Or not. However, the human body can probably tolerate and repair itself from the abuse if it goes on for a little while. But if sugar fasting or sugar dieting were practiced long term, the consequences could be real. But what "long term" means for one person will be different from another. If your younger or healthier, you can probably pull this off. I mean, I was 47 when I finally adopted a proper human diet. For those first 47 years, I damaged myself pretty hard. I've healed tremendously but still have some healing to go. And it may be that some of that damage from my previous [sugar-laden] diet might never fully heal. But I understand the principle that sugar fasting could be a "tool" in one's toolbox. That would be a good goal. I have a lot of respect for Paul, although his version of an "animal-based" diet might just be a sugar diet with all of the fruity carbs he recommends on the daily. I am not anti-fruit, but I think it should be enjoyed in much lesser quantities than he advises.

Tell us a little about yourself. What is your 'Why' for trying a carnivore challenge? Is it to lose weight, reverse disease, optimize health? What is your weight and health like now? Healing takes time. Some people boast about "all this energy" they have after just a few days or a week. Sometimes this is because they are very overweight and have a lot of energy stored on their body that they are now tapping into. Others is because they see some weight come off rapidly and they get super excited and filled with motivation. They say that they suddenly have "energy" but it's their motivation and zeal that is driving them. In time, as one becomes fat adapted, they do experience better moods and "more energy" in the sense of a steady stream of energy that allows them to keep going and going. It's not energy like Mario eating a mushroom and becoming Super Mario.

This experience intrigues me. That it was concentrated on your flanks and armpits does sound more like an allergic reaction to me. I doubt it was oxalate dumping. When you added carbs back in, did you also at the same time cut out or cut down on (reduce) something else you were previously eating? For example, let pretend you were eating bacon. Pigs are monogastric animals. The factory farm where that particular pig, or lot of pigs (or may you started buying a different brand) may have had their usual feed changed. Maybe they switched suppliers. Maybe these pigs consumed something they shouldn't have. Being monogastric, contaminants get into their fleshy parts, and you had an allergic reaction to this. And then when you added back in carbs, you also eliminated or reduced the consumption of something else. Not intentionally, but just because there is a limit to how much you need to eat and were satisfied with the carbs. It can be quite complex, so I can understand why it would have been hard to pinpoint. You have to go through the trying different brands, eliminating certain animals, trying local sourced over grocery store meats, etc, all in an effort to find relief. I've seen a few children who were allergic to amoxicillin and broke out in a rash in their abdomen and armpits. Probably because digestion occurs in the abdomen, so the reaction starts there and branches out from there. This makes sense. Carbs can be utilized for energy almost immediately. This is why some people will be carnivore until it's time to hit the gym, and then they will load up on fruit or a sweet potato or something.

So I bought a can and it's in the pantry. I haven't opened it yet though, lol.

I agree here. I finally edited and released my Sugar Diet video, and in it I say something similar. Eating lots of fruit doesn't sound that bad on the surface, but dumping all sort of sugar on them..... well. I haven't made it to the other thread yet, but I did just watch Nick's video. Interesting that the same results can be had with high-fat low-protein just like with high-sugar low-protein, including its effects in FGF21. Also interesting is that some people will recommend boosting their fat to protein ratio to accelerate fat loss. This age-old advice harmonizes with what Nick reveals.

https://www.uhhospitals.org/for-clinicians/specialties/heart-and-vascular/ct-coronary-artery-calcium-scoring

A couple weeks ago a new fad diet exploded onto the scene, forcing itself into everyone's streams and recommendations feeds. They call it the Sugar Diet, or Sugar Fasting. Being heavily promoted by influences such as Cole Robinson, Mark Bell, and FreeLee the Banana Girl - they advise consuming mass quantities of pure sugar in the form of pop and candy, almost exclusively. Just like those of us on the keto-carnivore side of the isle lose weight eating fat in the absense of carbs, yes you can lose weight eating carbs in the absense of fat. BUT, which one of these will benefit you in the long term? JOIN THIS CHANNEL TO GET ACCESS TO PERKS! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeAwaxsqfNEK4ZtfWX3Dz3g/join VISIT OUR FREE KETO/CARNIVORE COMMUNITY! https://www.CarnivoreTalk.com LET"S DO A VIDEO TOGETHER! Have YOU had success with a meat-based keto, ketovore, carnivore, carnivore-centric, or animal-based diet? Let's do a video together! Contact me using this form... https://carnivoretalk.com/contact/ HAVE YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED IN A FUTURE VIDEO: Click the link below to leave us a Voicemail, and we might feature your question on the next episode of Carnivore Talk. https://carnivoretalk.com/voicemail/ SEND SNAIL MAIL TO: Robert Angle Carnivore Talk PO Box 1367 Stow, OH 44224 DISCLAIMER: The Carnivore Talk website and its audio and video content is for general informational purposes only. The use of the information found within our content or from materials linked to from our content is at the user’s own risk. The content published by Carnivore Talk is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should seek the assistance of their health care professionals to obtain medical advice and to diagnose or treat any condition. We are not doctors! #carnivore #carnivorediet #ketodiet #sugar #sugardiet View full episode

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This is good advice. I understand why the Carnivore-friendly doctors hold up the CAC test, because statistically speaking, when the CAC is zero there is usually little to no plaque to be concerned about. But as you said this isn't always the case all of the time. The CAC is cheap and non-invasive. In fact, around where I live you can get them for free without insurance or a prescription.

I hope you are doing well. I'm glad you recognized the signs and took action. Do remember that it takes years upon years for circumstances to build up to this event. Your carnivore diet shouldn't get the blame for this. There are a variety of factors involved. Are you familiar with Mitch, "Old Guy Carnivore" on YouTube? He also had a heart attack a little over a month ago. He explains what caused it, and continues to eat carnivore and champion the lifestyle.

Haha! Good grief! Now that I think about it though, my Sam's Club card does have my photo on it, lol 😄 But any of these types of cards can be forged right at home.

The mainstream narrative continues to be "The Body prefers CARBS" and "FAT is bad for you". I don't see this changing anytime soon. Nestle, PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, Kraft Heinz, Mondelez, Kelloggs, Post, and General Mills have the financial interest and advertising dollars to push this message in your face non-stop. Calling it an "Extreme diet" is basically slander and lies. Seriously! So, when did eating only what God/Nature provided for us to eat become an "extreme diet"? Lol. What? There are people who will only eat a whole foods diet consisting of meat, nuts, berries, and some select fruits and vegetables? Them NUTTERS and their EXTREME diets! But.... but..... what about GRaiNs and SeeD oILs?

Those screen caps look interesting. Right now the "Wayback Machine" is down, so I will have to remember to try again later.

We will see in the months ahead... or maybe we won't. Notice there are not a large pool of YouTube videos by people proclaiming, "I lost XXX lbs on Weight Watchers" or "Slim-Fast reversed my _______ auto-immune disease!". However, when it comes to keto and carnivore, all sorts of individuals create content to try and spread the word because after a lifetime of trying those other diets that didn't work and being told by medical professionals "it's just genetic" and there is nothing you can do, CARNIVORE feels like an amazing miracle, and we are unable to keep it to ourselves. Will we see a guy like Bill Knott or Todd Bockness, who were huge and have lost HUNDREDS of pounds so far, start vlogging their life on the sugar diet? Far less likely I am sure. Maybe a few here and there, but they will have to do it intermittedly (i.e. sugar "fasting") or take supplements to make it work, just like the vegans do. I don't think this "sugar diet" is going to go away just yet. It's going to be heralded as a weapon to battle our "carnivnore, high fat propaganda".