Enjoyed the conversation last night. I forgot the cord for the laptop, and it dropped from 30% to zero unexpectedly. Apologies for the abrupt exit.

I thought about 'carnivores lying' for a stretch last night afterwards. Did they mean carnivores are lying in general about the positives of carnivore? Did they mean the individual carnivores are lying about their personal health? Good conversation on the topic.

Like said from the beginning, going into carnivore I had no idea of the health benefits other than from the weight loss. On the day I started carnivore was nothing more than another weight loss hack, the latest in the yo-yo dieting approach. I was going to drop 15-20 pounds (if it actually worked) and then go back to eating like normal people. I had already lost 10-12 pounds before I watched my first video or read my first article about carnivore. The weight came off so fast (averaged about a pound per day the first thirty days) when I was asked if I thought it was healthy to just eat meat and drink water I pretty much said, " I don't know, but the weight is falling off so I'm going to roll with it for now". I started reading and watching videos and one of the first videos that popped up was by Cabana Chronicles and her using carnivore for her MS. My autoimmune disease is really similar and that triggered me to watch a ton of videos that evening. Over the next few days I was in constant research mode.

I never used the term lying but I was skeptical, even a nay-sayer, about the results people were sharing. As soon as I would start seeing the light (LOL) they would ask me to subscribe, or hit the LIKE button, or buy this product, and that became the catch/the automatic disconnect.

I was on gabapentin/Neurontin and prednisone for pain and inflammation and there is no way those can be replaced with a rib eye. As Mrs. Cabana Chronicles talked about not taking medicine I was waiting for the hook, "what is for sale today?". Then it sort of dawned on me that I had come off my long stretch of nights (six 12-13 hours shifts) and I didn't take the medicine for pain and inflammation. I immediately tagged it as a coincidence. The following week I pulled my four shifts and then two more slots of overtime and no medicine during or after the six shifts. Then there was third week and (I'm sort of slow) it started to resonate that there may actually be a connection to carnivore and inflammation. I think my first true lesson in carnivore was that it is not the rib eye nearly as much as it is the elimination of the carbs and sugars.

Withing 5-6 weeks of eating strict carnivore (other than the drink mixers to help with drinking water) I was off medicine I had been on for six years. From there I was 'curious' maybe even 'intrigued' by the effects of the elimination diet. I scheduled blood work, both my regular blood work for NMO/SD and my HAZMAT physicals for work. I staggered them to get bloodwork every 3 months or so to check my immunoglobulin numbers. Within three months on carnivore the lower numbers were inching up and the higher numbers were inching down. After 12 months as a strict carnivore my immunoglobulin numbers have returned to what is considered normal. I have one number that is just a few points high but nothing like the previous six years.

When the post was made about lying I wonder if it is suggesting I am one of the people lying about my individual successes. I am no longer taking medicine for pain nor inflammation. I have lost between 90-95 pounds. My energy levels are not super human but they have returned to levels that I had as a much younger man but coupled with regular fasting (longer fasting 72 to 96 hours) the energy levels are super crazy high. Do people think I only lost 75 pounds and exaggerated my claims so it sounds better? Do I secretly take medicine and just claim I do not?

I get it. I was that guy too. I was skeptical/didn't believe from the very beginning. Carnivore was just another weight loss hack, nothing more/nothing less. It was the same as any other hack that used large weight loss as click bait to get me to buy something.

I would never use the term 'lying' but I can see where I came from that same sentiment for a stretch. If you look at each of our stories, how far we have come, I won't say we have all experienced miracles, but I will say for me, I've headed down that path.

Sometimes, stories like these are hard to believe.

babbling, waiting for the gym to open. Great conversation last night. Enjoyed it.

Scott

That was an interesting comment and ensuing discussion for sure. I eat a proper human diet now (mostly carnivore) because I have lost weight and reversed several of my chronic conditions. This is a choice and a sacrifice that I am happy to make, but at the same time YES I miss eating whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted, and however much I wanted. A life of pizza, mexican food, candy, and beer was most enjoyable. But it came with consequences, most of which I have been able to reverse and correct course by ditching ultra processed food and the mass consumption of plants.

It's not the first time I've been called a liar. I recently made a comment on a Dr. Idz video that I reversed my decade of being an ulcerative colitis sufferer, am drug free, and that even the biopsy comes back negative for UC. There were people who commented that I was a "Liar" and others that were even so bold as to say my carnivore diet would make my UC worse, lol.

Some people just won't listen to truth, even when it stares them in the face.

Yep. I had some of those same experiences.

I don't mind sharing my thoughts and my story when people are willing to listen or thinking about giving carnivore a try.

When they balk, or start giving me medical/nutritional advice that it is obvious they are not adhering to themselves it becomes a quick disconnect. From there, I just move on. I have a guy that works with me that is a Type II diabetic with glucose numbers that are high enough for hospitalization at times. The food he bring is crazy in both type and amounts. He is eating three or four times in a 12 hour shift because his doctor has told him that smaller more frequent meals would be his best practice. I explained I understand this is youtube, but check out these videos and when they reference medical studies follow up with research of your own.

He said his glucose had been as high as 300 the week before and then asked about mine. I told him mostly it is in the 70's but every now and then it gets into the 80's, especially coming off a fast.

His words nor his sentences called me a liar, but his grunt, rolling of the eyes and the , "yeah, right" all but did.

Great conversational topic. I think all of us have experienced this is some shape, form or fashion.

It is like a brick is falling out of the sky and I say, stand over here with me under this shelter, and they say, "Nope, my doctor says standing in the sunshine is better for me". I guess sometimes people can't see the forest for all the trees in the way. LOL.

Scott

Yeah I’ve been called a lier on posts where I said I have reversed my AFIB and I’ve received the condescending looks when I’ve mentioned healings from carnivore.

Uh well, nothing I can do about the naysayers except prove them wrong by outliving them. 😉

I have had a ton of the condescending looks. LOL

I don't let it bother me at all because there was a time when if carnivore was explained, especially the healing effects, I would be an 'eye-roller' too.

There are times when I think my results from carnivore are too good to be true, but I have had the benefit of the personal experience. I see that same 'questioning' in a lot of people.

Now if they are doubters, but open minded and want to hear more, that is as natural as anything. There is nothing wrong with doubt.

It is having the closed mind but all the answers it what helps me walk away.

Scott

35 minutes ago, Scott F. said:

It is having the closed mind but all the answers it what helps me walk away.

That's my dad. He knows his health has declined drastically, but no way could he see a correlation between his failing health and all his "life saving" medications. He'll be in a nursing home soon, unable to walk far enough to buy his groceries. But at least he is right, these things happen when you get older, nothing you can do about it.

I almost had a break through tonite when a gal at work complained her legs ached and mentioned she's on a statin.

She said she felt miserable etc..... so I proceeded to ask if she believed in using AI for questions/solutions etc.

She reluctantly said no I don't know what that is, so I showed her on my phone and I typed in 2 questions

Can humans live and thrive without cholesterol

Why does my liver try to kill me making cholesterol

Both times I showed her what I typed and had her hit enter and read the response, then proceeded to pose the question

"Where is most of my cholesterol coming from?" to her dr and see his/her face when they're asked.

Regardless what people think this can be used to our advantage if it's used correctly, stifling the naysayers.

The look on her face when she seen the answers she was shocked.

Cholesterol is the major hurdle we need to cross when trying to show people all of us were lied to about so called foods.

I also pulled out my 8 eggs and half lb of bacon, explaining to her I've had 3 heart attacks, 2 which put me in the hospital and a stent.

I was eating crap when I had them.

Eating the eggs bacon daily for lunch I'm pushing for a heart attack but it seems I feel better now than I did previously 😂