Hi from PA plus a question

[Nani856]

Hello. I previously did Keto about 5 years ago and felt great and loss tons of fat. I fell off the wagon when family failed to be supportive. Fast-forward to about a month ago and realized I had to do something because my health started declining. (I have several health issues and more started popping up.) I went Carnivore on 09/27/24, meat, butter/ghee, and water only. Salt to taste, no spices, sauces, or sweetners, and the occasional Keto Chow electrolytes. After a month of this, I started feeling sick yesterday. Feeling very nauseous and having upper abdominal pain. I'm feeling defeated because because yesterday morning was the first time since starting Carnivore that I actually felt good. But then yesterday evening, the pain and nausea started and has continued today. I haven't had a gallbladder since 2006, but I did Keto just fine previously. Wondering what could be the issue. Is this die off?

Edited October 28, 2024 by Nani856

[Geezy]

Welcome to our group Nani. We’re glad you could join us. 
I’m sorry to hear that you are struggling. 
It’s hard to say definitively what the issue might be but with only being a month in your gut may still be transitioning. 
When you were keto you still had carbs to support the gut biome that fed on the sugars but when you go to a zero carb all meat diet that original biome has to change. That may be your gut rebelling against you at the moment. Unless there’s something else going on it should pass. Not having a gallbladder may be part of the equation as well. I don’t have a gallbladder either and I believe it caused me some issues in the beginning but they were different from yours. Many people with no gallbladders never experience a problem but we are all different so we have to find our own path. Now some people without gallbladders find help with taking an ox bile supplement. It did nothing for me but it might help you. 
My issue was constipation but some magnesium complex supplements helped me and after about a year my body straightened itself out. 
I stuck with it because the benefits I saw made it worthwhile to power though and find solutions until things adjusted. 
If I were you I’d give it some more time and if things don’t start getting better you might possibly add some carbs back in and then slowly transition back into carnivore over time. Not everyone can just jump right in with both feet. 
If nothing else works you may need to see a doctor. 
Good luck and good health. 

[Miranda]

Hi Nani,

So glad you are here! Sorry to hear of your recent pain and discomfort, I hope it passes quickly.  Sometimes we can feel crappy because of the following:

1. oxalates. Sometimes they can give us a hard time (for sometimes) after we give them up. 

2. Gut biome. (like @Geezy spoke of)

3. Electrolytes 

4. Too much fat in a certain period of time. ( Fat is great and we should eat a fatty meat diet, but too much all at once and we might not have enough bile to tolerate it) you may need to add more fat gradually to your daily regimen.

[Meathead]

@Geezy said it all. 

Due to higher fat in your diet you will have trouble especially without a gallbladder.  Oxbile supplement (clean not seed oils junk) helps people adjust eating more fat. 

 

Another thing is Redmond real salt added to your water intake > branded/marketed junk for electrolytes.  Don't complicate something simple, meat, water and natural salt. 

Hope this helps and welcome to the community. 

Edited October 28, 2024 by Meathead

[Scott F.]

Welcome. 

Hopefully you are feeling better. I didn't have pain, but I had some stomach issues from about week three to week six (thru the first month). I would go from loose to constipated, back and forth. I found that I was not using enough salt and the meats I was eating didn't carry the fat content needed. I made and electrolyte solution and now use that to salt my food. I upped the fat content (and now try to maintain a higher fat content) my issues (and were minimal big picture) were resolved.

Hopefully you get it figured out and more importantly, hope you feel better.

Scott

[Laura]

Welcome, Nani!  

[Bob]

On 10/28/2024 at 6:43 AM, Nani856 said:

After a month of this... yesterday morning was the first time since starting Carnivore that I actually felt good. But then yesterday evening, the pain and nausea started and has continued today

Keep in mind the simple things too...

1) You may have cooked and ate something that had been sitting around for too long, i.e. meat that had gone bad but you either didn't notice or took the gamble.

2) You may have caught a stomach virus. It is the end of October, and 'tis the season. I'm sitting here with my first cold since this time last year, complete with stuffy nose and sneezing.

[Miranda]

3 hours ago, Bob said:

Keep in mind the simple things too...

1) You may have cooked and ate something that had been sitting around for too long, i.e. meat that had gone bad but you either didn't notice or took the gamble.

2) You may have caught a stomach virus. It is the end of October, and 'tis the season. I'm sitting here with my first cold since this time last year, complete with stuffy nose and sneezing.

This reminds me of histamines. Leftovers are higher on histamines. 

[Meathead]

"complete with stuffy nose and sneezing."

 

@Bob. You gave me cooties on Monday night meeting, I blamed the wife  

[Bob]

I had a cold that started coming on Tuesday night. Friday and Saturday were the worst. Cough that burned my chest. I thought it was going to become bronchitis. Yesterday I started feeling better and I am mostly back to normal today with just some residual mucus to get out of me.

But I am no longer contagious so I won't get anyone sick on the Zoom call tonight, lol

 

[Meathead]

I'm pretty much having residual as well.  Bit of of mucous barely coughed past 4 days but stuffiness drove me crazy.