Maybe the difference is a person's end goal, maybe make a mission statement to kick the diet off to which ever path the person chooses. "I want to step on the scale and see a lesser number over the next 90-120 days". "My goal is to lose X amount of pounds" With these two statements probably 99% of all diets are effective. These statements will lead to the 'calories and calories out' conversation and before the definition of calories pops up, we can change it to 'total mass in and total mass out'. This approach makes all diets really close to 100% effective. Next mission statement would be, "I would like to lose X number of pounds and improve my metabolic health at the same time". This wipes out a really large chunk of most diets. They are effective but the metabolic health, which is probably not up to snuff in the first place, will take a further hit as the weight goal is approached or attained'. I can see this approach for someone really big who needs to drop X number of pounds to be able to go under a knee or hip replacement, or similar surgeries. Getting the weight down can be by any means necessary. The plan would be weight comes down, surgery takes place, mobility is returned and then a better meal plan can be coupled with mobility for a healthier life. I can see this being an option for a lot of people. Then maybe the last mission statement would be "I want to improve my metabolic health, and in time drop some weight, and at the same time develop a sustainable long-term way of eating". This narrows the field. And if I added "without the required need of daily supplementation" we get down to the animal-based versions of carnivore and a minimal number of the keto versions with a carb/sugar level fairly low. Over the past three to four months, I have both gained and lost weight on a strict carnivore diet purely based on the mass I am eating, the timing in which I eat even coupled with several 96-hour water fasts. Last week I laid off the eating to hit the protein target, pretty much ate when I was hungry (which turned into OMD, if that) and dropped from 219 to 212 in 7 days. As always, there is some daily fluctuation and four pretty good days in the gym. I also walked a couple days 3.5 miles with at least 100 pushups along the walk. The weeks before that with the same out-put, I crammed 200 grams of protein per day in via the same strict carnivore diet, and I gained 8-9 pounds. I am the only control subject in my study (LOL) but my approach 'will both lose and gain weight dependent on food intake', it has been proven to improve my metabolic health (numerous blood tests from BP, to glucose, to lipid panel, to kidney function, to immunoglobulin/autoimmune response) and I have shown it is completely sustainable for me over time. 100% of all diets will work and 100% of all diets will fail. Diet success is pounds in the short-term, but that success is all too often short-lived. Diets that evolve into sustainable lifestyles is where the true successes land. And with that said, I can see the need and the point of 'losing weight' by any means necessary. Scott
G'day I'm Gabe 🌺
I'm a full time mum. Wife.
Love family and fun stuff.
I love traveling so far around Australia.
Every couple of years we do a road trip to the Outback.
So my story. I grew up being active outdoors fishing. Boating. Swimming anything beach.
For the last 20 years life has been major challenging.
4 babies. Lost my first. 2 inguinal hernias.
Last baby due to the Trainee Drs. Epidural went wrong. As well as having the factory shut. That lead to other complications ongoing. So a long time on pain meds. Etc. Trying to get the Drs to help me with this issue. Then I finally find a good Dr. They move on. Those issues haven't been sorted out. I have high blood pressure. And during COVID I got diagnosed with kidney issues too much protein in my kidneys.
I have been put on many tablets. It lead me to a few spells in hospital and last year a fractured foot.
I have been told to take ozempic I started on it. Lost some weight. Then because of not being available in Australia number of times. I put the weight on. Then I have been taking medication for diabetes.
I spend most of the time on the couch. It's physically challenging.
The Drs are no help. Don't listen. The insulin makes me really sick as well as the ozempic. Makes me really sick
I've asked the Drs for advice. If I should eat less meat to help reduce the protein.
I've tried vegetarian diets.
The medication instead of suppressing my appetite. Increased it
I had gestational diabetes during pregnancy. I was put on diet to limit the sugars from different foods and carbs.
Last year I was told different to eat more bread and carbs. The diabetes representative told me I was like the 100th person to end up on insulin because of the ozempic.
I've been on Cyclosporine. Neoral. Which lead to my sugars rising big time.
And couldn't go in the sun. It lead to other complications.
Sorry for my long post.
I'm interested in the Carnivore diet. And the benefits.
I gladly welcome all advice 🙏