Maybe the difference is a person's end goal, maybe make a mission statement to kick the diet off to which ever path the person chooses. "I want to step on the scale and see a lesser number over the next 90-120 days". "My goal is to lose X amount of pounds" With these two statements probably 99% of all diets are effective. These statements will lead to the 'calories and calories out' conversation and before the definition of calories pops up, we can change it to 'total mass in and total mass out'. This approach makes all diets really close to 100% effective. Next mission statement would be, "I would like to lose X number of pounds and improve my metabolic health at the same time". This wipes out a really large chunk of most diets. They are effective but the metabolic health, which is probably not up to snuff in the first place, will take a further hit as the weight goal is approached or attained'. I can see this approach for someone really big who needs to drop X number of pounds to be able to go under a knee or hip replacement, or similar surgeries. Getting the weight down can be by any means necessary. The plan would be weight comes down, surgery takes place, mobility is returned and then a better meal plan can be coupled with mobility for a healthier life. I can see this being an option for a lot of people. Then maybe the last mission statement would be "I want to improve my metabolic health, and in time drop some weight, and at the same time develop a sustainable long-term way of eating". This narrows the field. And if I added "without the required need of daily supplementation" we get down to the animal-based versions of carnivore and a minimal number of the keto versions with a carb/sugar level fairly low. Over the past three to four months, I have both gained and lost weight on a strict carnivore diet purely based on the mass I am eating, the timing in which I eat even coupled with several 96-hour water fasts. Last week I laid off the eating to hit the protein target, pretty much ate when I was hungry (which turned into OMD, if that) and dropped from 219 to 212 in 7 days. As always, there is some daily fluctuation and four pretty good days in the gym. I also walked a couple days 3.5 miles with at least 100 pushups along the walk. The weeks before that with the same out-put, I crammed 200 grams of protein per day in via the same strict carnivore diet, and I gained 8-9 pounds. I am the only control subject in my study (LOL) but my approach 'will both lose and gain weight dependent on food intake', it has been proven to improve my metabolic health (numerous blood tests from BP, to glucose, to lipid panel, to kidney function, to immunoglobulin/autoimmune response) and I have shown it is completely sustainable for me over time. 100% of all diets will work and 100% of all diets will fail. Diet success is pounds in the short-term, but that success is all too often short-lived. Diets that evolve into sustainable lifestyles is where the true successes land. And with that said, I can see the need and the point of 'losing weight' by any means necessary. Scott
It seems like an eternity ago, but COVID nearly killed me back in 2021. I spent 9 days in the Hospital and a collapsed lung made it even worse.
I will never forget the morning of Day 8 in the hospital. I placed my order for breakfast, my first meal in about 12 days. When the nurse walked in the room with the scrambled eggs and bacon, I immediately started dry heaving at the smell and they had to take the food out of the room.
I grew up on a ranch and on occasion we would find a dead cow that was at the height of being eaten up by maggots. Once you smell that rotten flesh, you will never forget it and that morning in the hospital..... yeah, that is what the bacon and eggs smelled like.
For the next 6 months I struggled eating anything with protein because of the taste and smell issues. Yep, COVID really messed up my taste and smell for a while. Eventually, I mostly returned to normal, but on occasion some meats still give me a whiff of that rotten smell, when there is nothing wrong with the meat. This morning is one of those moments. This morning it is the scrambled eggs the wife made for breakfast. UGH... I normally love eggs and when this happens it is frustrating, especially when that is all I have to eat.
Anyone else struggled with something similar while doing carnivore?