At some point Dr. Hampton is going to lose his membership card. I am sure many doctors are casting votes in private.

Scott

 

Tony is some good people. In the past there was a lot of backlash against doctors who encouraged the carnivore diet. Dr. Baker had his license suspended for a time because of it. 
I believe the tide is turning though as carnivore becomes my mainstream. 

Yep. I'm about halfway thru Dr. Baker's book. 

I watched a video last night where Dr. Pauldinin (spelling?) was being grilled by the panel on "The Doctors". It was brutal, but mostly very rude. The appellate judge was sitting on the panel berating him on why he was an expert or not and she was in need of Carnivore, Atkins, Keto, something. 

I'm lucky my neurologist is totally onboard, and my primary doctor is close. He likes the results, but he gives me the cholesterol talk the last couple times I had appointments. 

I agree. At some point the medical field has to say, "Hey, wait a minute. Let me check that out", especially as more and more people report the positives. Maybe even more so when those positives are medical issues just not weight loss. 

Sort of bored at work waiting for our supply plant to catch up. Filling the time with carnivore research/reading.

Scott

Totally butchered his name in the above post.

Incredibly rude people.

Scott

7 hours ago, Scott F. said:

The appellate judge was sitting on the panel berating him on why he was an expert

And she was right. Saladino is anything but an expert. He was the wrong person to represent and advocate for Carnivore. Did a lot of damage. In fact he is still doing a lot of damage. An opportunist at best. He's selling watermelons now. Sugar crowd is bigger, more views, more likes, more money. 

She was rude. And obviously more passionate about berating than the subject matter at hand. 

"I don't agree. Please explain" would have went tons further. 

The doctor/nutritionist to his left made valid points on what she believes to be true but she was respectful and professional with her opinions. Then the male doctor toward the end had to hyper play his opinion for television. 

I'm currently carnivore and have eliminated a lot of things that I didn't know was killing me. Literally. Now I know how I feel so I doubt I reintroduce anything that I have eliminated. Mostly because maybe carnivore can't correct it next time. Just somewhat afraid of rocking the boat.

But with that said, if someone chooses to reintroduce sugars and carbs, more power to them. he won't be the first person to use the flavor of the month as a means to boost income. 

If I had issue with him I think it would be leading off with, "I'm a doctor", as that gives him credibility with the masses regardless of his content. That part I do struggle with.

Scott

"the doctors" show makes Sally Jesse Rafael and Maury Povich look like Pulitzer prize winners. The Armstrong sisters were on that with him and got muted. If you go to their respective channels they tell all about it

On 6/12/2025 at 9:34 PM, Miranda said:

"the doctors" show makes Sally Jesse Rafael and Maury Povich look like Pulitzer prize winners.

Paul got unfair treatment. That grey haired woman was an obnoxious pig. Very rude.

“Where did you gain your background in nutrition?” Asked the fat lady to the man in impeccable health.


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On 3/9/2025 at 11:10 PM, Scott F. said:

Yep. I'm about halfway thru Dr. Baker's book. 

I watched a video last night where Dr. Pauldinin (spelling?) was being grilled by the panel on "The Doctors". It was brutal, but mostly very rude. The appellate judge was sitting on the panel berating him on why he was an expert or not and she was in need of Carnivore, Atkins, Keto, something. 

I'm lucky my neurologist is totally onboard, and my primary doctor is close. He likes the results, but he gives me the cholesterol talk the last couple times I had appointments. 

Scott

Like to know exactly which EPISODE/season this was so I can watch while I work please.

You're one of the lucky ones like @Geezy with them being on board.

I tried to educate my cardiologist but he was condescending in his response to me, so I pulled the trigger

told him and his staff to Prove my liver producing 80% of my body's cholesterol was trying to kill me?

In the next sentence I told him if he can't him and his staff are f'n fired. (I didn't hold back promise you this.)

I will admit when I'm wrong for what I do or say but DO NOT belittle me or treat me like an idiot for lack of

formal education.

School of Life has served me well and damn sure bet you I'm not above learning/re learning vs halfwits that

hold degrees.

Edited June 20Jun 20 by Meathead

We had this very conversation at work yesterday but it was about Engineers not Doctors.

Memorizing the formulas and equations and theories can get you an "Engineering degree" but does not necessarily make you and "Engineer".

I started off in the naval Nuclear Power field, then to a Nuclear Power plant, then to an industrial enzyme facility, to a chemical plant and now to a Pharmaceutical/Chemical plant. I have worked with probably every type of Engineer known, and sometimes the "Custodial Engineer" is the most valuable because they can actually use a much higher percentage of what they know.

I only made two years of college while "at sea" in the Service. I have to suppose somewhere in the junior/senior year there is a class that I never got to titled, "As an Engineer/Doctor you do not have to listen to anyone without a degree" and in parenthesis (and only a small portion of those with a degree). I believe the disconnect begins there.

Most doctors, but not all, are repeating to us what they memorized. So, with that, cholesterol is bad. Period. Saturated fats cause heart failure. Period. Prescribed medicines are needed daily for a lifetime. Period.

Sort of to the point, but from a different angle. A few months ago, our dog passed away at 14 years old. The veterinary oncologist in a very high-end veterinary hospital came out and amongst these much younger, very clinical in approach, vets and techs he was much older. (Been around vets my entire life) He was one of the very best I had ever been around. He spoke as a doctor, and animal lover and listened to every work I said. He factored me and my thoughts into the path forward. At the end of the visit, I told him as we stood in a multi-million-dollar facility that I did not want to offend him, but he reminded me of an 'old family horse doctor' who would be more at home in muck boots on the farm. He laughed and said that was probably the best compliment he had ever received. He was a doctor, not just a Doctor if Veterinary Medicine. (if that makes any sense at all)

Babbling, it is 4:30 AM and the gym opens in a few minutes. Had some time to kill.

Scott

On 3/10/2025 at 6:51 AM, Orweller said:

And she was right. Saladino is anything but an expert. He was the wrong person to represent and advocate for Carnivore. Did a lot of damage. In fact he is still doing a lot of damage. An opportunist at best. He's selling watermelons now. Sugar crowd is bigger, more views, more likes, more money. 

I love Bart Kay's review of Saladino or SaladIdontknow as he calls him.

I think my life's ambition now is to hear Bart Kay calling people an imbecile.

Scott

15 hours ago, Scott F. said:

We had this very conversation at work yesterday but it was about Engineers not Doctors.

Don’t get me started on engineers. I had to work with them my whole career and I could have strangled at least half of them.

16 minutes ago, Geezy said:

Don’t get me started on engineers. I had to work with them my whole career and I could have strangled at least half of them.

Same situation for myself except I would say more like 75% of them are useless. Our company hired many "fresh out of college" types. The older people really knew their stuff.

13 hours ago, Terry said:

Same situation for myself except I would say more like 75% of them are useless. Our company hired many "fresh out of college" types. The older people really knew their stuff.

True. If you want to know how to get something done you ask the old timer. Them youngsters only have ideas.

2 hours ago, Geezy said:

True. If you want to know how to get something done you ask the old timer. Them youngsters only have ideas.

I was in maintenance and machine repair along with millwright and electronic repair duties for 42 years. When I would see the youngsters design equipment that was truly unrepairable I would just shake me head. I know they have a budget to work to but with a few simple changes we would modify their designs and things would run much longer before needing repairs. Finally one day I had enough and gave my 2 weeks notice. My wife worked at the same place and followed me to HR to do the same. We both retired at 60 and couldn't be happier. I recommend retirement to anyone that can afford it. Life is to frick'n short!

I think it is pretty much the same everywhere. When you see that young Engineer out in the field putting his hands on things he will develop much faster and end up a better Engineer long term. If that same Engineer, does it from the office or via the control system, via a manual, then he will be a maintenance person's long-term nightmare.

I too live it every day.

And maybe my favorite part of all? We get a new/young kid right out of college, and he is assigned to me for training. At six months he is 'certified' and then starts telling me how to run the plant. Not, this is what I am planning to do and what do you think about the plan?, but do it this way?.

10-15 years ago I would argue tooth and nail if I thought I was right. At 55 now, it is, "I'd do it this way but I work for you". And as long as no one is going to get hurt in the process, it is best they learn the hard way.

This will babble way past carnivore but.....I spent years in the service doing sound silencing analysis so sonar systems can't pick up the submarine I was on. We emitted just about zero noise into the water with the exception of the screw. That experience transfers to vibration analysis now with the point of predictive maintenance and making repairs before failure. I can put my hand on an electric motor and 'tell' if there is enough vibration or a pending failure. Last week I called the new reliability Engineer and told him a 40HP electric motor needed to be replaced soon. He assured me his vibration analysis was far more accurate than my simple touch. Four days later, at 2 in the morning, the front bearing failed, enough wobble to tear the seal on the input shaft of the gear box before the coupling came apart. 40K in parts and well over a 100K in downtime.

His report deemed it an unexpected failure. I simply highlighted 'unexpected' and sent it back to him.

There was a time when it would have been important enough to me to let everyone know. I'm way past that now.

I am targeting 59-60. Hoping everything works out that way.

Congrats on you all that have made it that far.

Scott

On 6/20/2025 at 8:45 AM, Terry said:

I love Bart Kay's review of Saladino or SaladIdontknow as he calls him.

The reason Saladino "asks for" the Bart Kay treatment is because he maintains that carbs are essential and even recommends a rather high amount of carbohydrates now. Bart Kay will never cease reminding people that "the exact requirement for carbohydrate in a human diet is not one gram, ever!". We know Bart is correct, and have plenty of examples to prove it (Mikhaila Peterson, Rick in Miami, Maggie in Canada, and the myriads of people eating an exclusive carnivore diet for XXXX days in a row, etc, and they are doing just fine).

If Paul would acknowledge that, he would get a lot less flack from the carnivore community. Most of anything else he says is correct.

Old Men

When it comes to fixing fence, riding bulls and drinking beer
Give me some young buckaroo, who's kind of wet behind the ears
'Cause I'll take fire in the belly, and if he's a little green
Well sometimes piss and vinegar is exactly what you need

But I want old men making my whiskey
I want old men singing my blues
And I want old men teaching my horses
'Cause there's just some things young men can't do
Like the old boys do

I want some scrappy kid
To have my back, in the middle of a bar room fight
And a little youth to kind of help
Sometimes, with the girls on Friday night
When I was but a young man, I was wild and full of fire
Acid trips and rocker chicks, well I'm lucky I'm alive

And I want old men making my whiskey
Well I want old men singing my blues
And I want old men teaching my horses
There're just some things young men can't do
Like the old boys do

Old men making my whiskey
Old men singing me blues
Old men educating my horses
'Cause there's just some things young men can't do
Like them old boys do

Corb Lund

Those are words one could live by.

Regardless of profession or trade or skill or opinion, there are two groups, young and old.

When I was 17-18 years old striking out on my own, I was pretty sure my Pops couldn't pour piss out of a boot, even with the directions written on the heel. When I came home 6-7 years later and I was really 'out on my own' I found he had learned an awful lot in those six years. LOL

Back when the man I grew up working for had the tobacco allotment every other year he had to wait for a 20–21-year-old kid to come from the NC State Agricultural department to tell him where to cut wind rows. He had farmed the same land for well over 40 years. Part of the deal I suppose.

@Geezy I am sure there is a kid down in College Station at A&M that could tell you more about a cow than you ever imagined. Simply blow you away with facts and figures. But if you walked to the end of your driveway and handed him the keys to the farm and said, "You make the farm work". I'm guessing he would be as lost as last year's Easter egg.

The young people need time and the old people want more time. LOL

Scott