I have several keto books but I'd like a couple of specifically carnivore ones. My preference would be a bit of science/protocol and some recipes. What do you recommend? 

I've just added this to my wishlist. Has anyone read it? "The Carnivore Reset: The Primal Approach to Restoring Your Gut Health, Reducing Inflammation, and Losing Weight".

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Not sure about science books, but  Courtney Luna has a carnivore recipe book coming out. She has a YouTube channel. The carnivore revolution channel puts out a lot of recipe content.

The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz

Lies My Doctor Told Me by Dr. Ken Berry.

These may not be pure carnivore books but the my give you the foundation when the carnivore lifestyle begins.


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15 hours ago, Miranda said:

Not sure about science books, but  Courtney Luna has a carnivore recipe book coming out. She has a YouTube channel. The carnivore revolution channel puts out a lot of recipe content.

Thanks, Miranda, will take a look.

9 hours ago, Geezy said:

The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz

Lies My Doctor Told Me by Dr. Ken Berry.

These may not be pure carnivore books but the my give you the foundation when the carnivore lifestyle begins.
 

Many thanks, Geezy.

I am currently listening to The Carnivore Code by Paul Saladino. It's VERY science-based, deep research kind of material. I think you would like it.

Shawn Baker has a book called The Carnivore Diet. It's sitting next to me at my desk but I haven't got to it yet. But he's one of the leading doctors in this way of eating.

I just finished up Dr. Berry’s Common Sense Labs.
It was very informative especially having just had my labs done.


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6 hours ago, Geezy said:

I just finished up Dr. Berry’s Common Sense Labs.
It was very informative especially having just had my labs done.


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I think I need to read that one before my next check up in September 

I have 'The Carnivore Reset' arriving this afternoon. Will let you know what it's like. Meanwhile, will have a look at the other suggestions (thank you).

Looking for books that explains everything I need to know to start this diet?

I read Paul Saladino's book but way over my head.

Please a beginner s book for dummies, or senior women.

Yes, Paul Saladino's "Carnivore Code" is a great book but very deep, detailed, science-y, with a ton of research and references. I'm currently working through this one. I have Shawn Baker's "The Carnivore Diet" which I have flipped through but haven't read yet - as I only do one at a time. 

I also read Dr. Ken Berry's "Lies My Doctor Told Me" and "Kick Ass After 50", which aren't carnivore books per se, but he's a carnivore advocate and they made for good reads. His books are written in easy to understand language.

Who needs a book. I can tell you all you need to know. [emoji16]

Just kidding. I didn’t learn to do carnivore from a book but from watching a lot of videos about it and from reading a lot of articles about it like this one.

The Various Types of Carnivore Diets. (Article from Carnivore Talk)

The carnivore diet is as easy as just eating meat, right? This is basically true. But if you follow some famous carnivore proponents on socail media or YouTube you may get confused. Some carnivores might be seen eating cheese or using heavy cream, and others may be caught using some herbs and spices on their food. I've spotted one drinking a diet soda, and then others boast about eating fruit and honey. So, like, what gives?
What Is the Carnivore Diet?

A carnivore diet is a lifestyle that consists of eating mainly animal products, such as meat, fish, and eggs. Traditionally, this diet eliminates all plant-based foods, including fruits, vegetables, grains, and legumes. The thinking behind a carnivore diet is that humans evolved to eat meat and that our bodies are better adapted to digest and absorb nutrients from animal products, and that plants contain toxic self-defense chemicals that over time can harm your health, possibly being the root cause of many auto-immune disorders and chronic diseases.

Different Types of Carnivore Diets

The Lion Diet (Elimination Diet) - This diet consists of unprocessed ruminant flesh, usually beef, but could also include lamb, elk, etc, with salt, and only water. This is usually a zero carb carnivore diet. Many peple eat this way because they get inflammation and other physical symptoms when they eat other food. This is also a perfect way to start an elimination diet, starting with 30-90 days of Lion Diet and then slowly reintroduce foods one at a time to see how you react to them.

The Standard Carnivore Diet - This is the most dogmatic and strict form of the carnivore diet, which involves consuming only water, salt, and meat, whether ruminants, poultry, pork, or seafood, including eggs and fish roe. No dairy, no seasonings, no supplements, and no plant foods are allowed. This diet is based on the premise that humans are designed to eat only animal foods, and that plant foods are harmful or unnecessary for optimal health

The Nose-to-Tail Carnivore Diet - This is a more nutrient-dense version of the carnivore diet which includes any animal flesh, as well as organ meats such as liver, kidney, heart, and brain. Organ meats are rich sources of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and co-factors that are essential for various bodily functions and may prevent deficiencies that may arise from eating only muscle meats. This may often mean zero carb depending on the type of seafood and the amount of eggs. This is also sometimes called ancestral carnivore or restrictive Paleo.

Any Animal Products Carnivore Diet - This slightly more flexible version of the carnivore diet includes all animal flesh and any animal byproducts that can be produced by the animal kingdom. This would include dairy products such as milk, yogurt, heavy cream, cheese, butter & ghee, as well as things like bacon, sausage, pork rinds, and deli meat. This is also sometimes called Zero Carb Carnivore by those who still avoid milk sugars and certain seafoods.

Animal-based "Carnivore" Diet - Primarily animal sourced products but also allows participants to partake in some carbs found in nature, including some occasional bee honey and some fruitage that can be eaten based on seasonal availability. It's basically a mix of carnivore and Paleo. Animal-based dieters are still focused on animal consumption and avoiding plants (except their fruitage) and plant toxins with little to no regard for carbohydrate consumption. Dogmatic carnivore purists will argue that this is not "true" carnivore.

Carnivorish/Ketovore Diet - This Meat-based Keto lifestyle still focuses primarily on animal products but does allow for some plant-based oils like coconut oil, olive oil, and avocado oil (the good kinds) along with the inclusion of some low carb vegetables, with the aim of limiting carb consumption to 10g (ketovore) or 20g (keto) per day. This version permits the use of some spices and herbs to enhance the flavor and variety of the meals as well. Dogmatic carnivore zealots will argue that this is not "true" carnivore.

Which Carnivore or "Carnivorish" Diet is Right for Me?

Rather than be dogmatic, all of the above can fall under the umbrella of what Dr. Ken Berry M.D. refers to as "The Proper Human Diet". A proper human diet is one that is all natural, uninflammatory, minimally processed, and low in carbohydrates (meaning about 100g or less per day). The key to optimizing your health is to find out where on the spectrum you fit in the best. For some this may mean being absolutely strict about being a pure carnivore and avoiding plants and fruitage altogether. For others this may mean low carb, non-starchy vegetables that have a minimal impact on insulin and glucose levels are fine. Still others may choose to eat fermented or pickled vegetables and some may enjoy some fruit, but only seasonally or sporadically.

The amount and frequency with which one consumes fruit and vegetables on the carnivore or animal-based diet may vary depending on the individual’s goals, preferences, and tolerance. The key is to listen to your body and adjust accordingly. If you notice any negative effects from eating vegetables, such as bloating, gas, diarrhea, or cravings, you may want to reduce or eliminate them from your diet. 

So where on the spectrum are you? What kind of carnivore dieter do you tend to be?
 


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Wow wow !!!!  

Thank you so much for your well written and informative post!

Do you think there is a specific one that takes weight off better than others?

I would appreciate your personal opinion! 

Wow wow !!!!  
Thank you so much for your well written and informative post!
Do you think there is a specific one that takes weight off better than others?
I would appreciate your personal opinion! 

The Lion Diet is the most optimal of all the ketogenic diets. It also the most radical. It is the most basic and primal. It is also the perfect elimination diet in that you are removing everything that isn’t needed for human survival.
But what’s best is what’s best for you. Most people want more variety than just ruminant meat. Most people who eat Lion are trying to solve specific issues. If you can roll that way then go for it. If it doesn’t seem to suit you or you get bored with it then you can always introduce other types of meats back in.
Now in my case, I’m a carnivore. I eat animal fats, animal proteins, salt and water. I deviate very little from that. I will occasionally have a few slices of jalapeño with my carnivore nachos or a little clean hot sauce on my carnivore fried fish but those occasions are far and few between and they do not affect me physically. That’s really important. When you eliminate all of the non essential foods then try to introduce something you need to see if it bothers you. If so then it’s gone forever but if not? Then you can have it in small amounts occasionally if you’d like. You just need to be disciplined about it.
99% of the time I eat beef, lamb, venison, pork, fish, seafoods and chicken. I used to eat dairy but found it was addictive to me so I am abstaining from it at the present time. It took me three weeks to get over the cravings. I’m not saying I won’t eat dairy again but not until I’m sure I can control it.
I haven’t read Dr Bakers book The Carnivore Diet but it might be helpful to you.
Many carnivore doctors and utube influencers have videos detailing how to get started.
Dr. Ken Berry has many good videos about getting started.


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3 hours ago, tatortot said:

Do you think there is a specific one that takes weight off better than others?

This is difficult to answer. I would say most people do best when they keep the carbs very low, whether that's a meat-based keto (20g a day or less), ketovore (10g a day or less), or carnivore (trace carbs, if any). 

This would rule out the "Animal-based" diet, because the fruit and honey have sugar and carbs in them. Can you still lose weight if you go animal-based? It's possible, but it will likely be much slower than a ketogenic diet.

19 hours ago, Bob said:

because the fruit and honey have sugar and carbs in them

The randle cycle,if you haven't heard of it, professor Bart Kay has a 5-minute explanation worth listening to. Eating sugar with your fatty meat in combination will inhibit weight loss for several hours after each meal that contains both. Also there is something called AGES 

I am looking to buy Ben Azadi's

Metabolic Freedom

Yes I will read a book now my comprehension level

is better.

Another book is "Eat Bacon, Don't Jog". I forget the author's name but it is on ebay for around $5. Can't really beat it at that price.

Great post by Geezy. He may need to write his own book.

I will chime in on one of the topics. I am not sure which diet would be best or most optimal within the realm of carnivore. The individual needs of the person will make that decision but I would venture a guess to say anything remotely close to carnivore will be better than the SAD.

I saw a pyramid the other day that indicated I am a Tier 1 carnivore as all I eat is meats, salt and water. I do eat most any meats but I have found the Lion Diet suits me best. Just red meat/beef, salt and water. And as Dr, Chaffee mentions I am not using near the amount of salt I was five or six months ago. Now it is an occasional salt to taste and I do just fine.

My next venture will be to go straight red meats for, hopefully a month, then into my 72 or 96 hour fast and then come out of it with straight red meat for a month or so.

Off topic about the book. My apologies. But I am choosing the carnivore diet I think will best drive the healing for me around my immunoglobulin numbers (auto-immune disease).

Scott

3 hours ago, Meathead said:

Ben Azadi's Metabolic Freedom

I was listening to a Ben video today and heard about this book. It sounds like a good one to get.

I'm so behind on my eBooks that I canceled my Audible membership. I just couldn't keep up. But I have a fairly large library to listen to that will last me a long time.

I highly recommend this book!

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On 6/10/2024 at 8:55 PM, Geezy said:

Who needs a book. I can tell you all you need to know. [emoji16]

Just kidding. I didn’t learn to do carnivore from a book but from watching a lot of videos about it and from reading a lot of articles about it like this one.

The Various Types of Carnivore Diets. (Article from Carnivore Talk)

The carnivore diet is as easy as just eating meat, right? This is basically true. But if you follow some famous carnivore proponents on socail media or YouTube you may get confused. Some carnivores might be seen eating cheese or using heavy cream, and others may be caught using some herbs and spices on their food. I've spotted one drinking a diet soda, and then others boast about eating fruit and honey. So, like, what gives?
What Is the Carnivore Diet?

A carnivore diet is a lifestyle that consists of eating mainly animal products, such as meat, fish, and eggs. Traditionally, this diet eliminates all plant-based foods, including fruits, vegetables, grains, and legumes. The thinking behind a carnivore diet is that humans evolved to eat meat and that our bodies are better adapted to digest and absorb nutrients from animal products, and that plants contain toxic self-defense chemicals that over time can harm your health, possibly being the root cause of many auto-immune disorders and chronic diseases.

Different Types of Carnivore Diets

The Lion Diet (Elimination Diet) - This diet consists of unprocessed ruminant flesh, usually beef, but could also include lamb, elk, etc, with salt, and only water. This is usually a zero carb carnivore diet. Many peple eat this way because they get inflammation and other physical symptoms when they eat other food. This is also a perfect way to start an elimination diet, starting with 30-90 days of Lion Diet and then slowly reintroduce foods one at a time to see how you react to them.

The Standard Carnivore Diet - This is the most dogmatic and strict form of the carnivore diet, which involves consuming only water, salt, and meat, whether ruminants, poultry, pork, or seafood, including eggs and fish roe. No dairy, no seasonings, no supplements, and no plant foods are allowed. This diet is based on the premise that humans are designed to eat only animal foods, and that plant foods are harmful or unnecessary for optimal health

The Nose-to-Tail Carnivore Diet - This is a more nutrient-dense version of the carnivore diet which includes any animal flesh, as well as organ meats such as liver, kidney, heart, and brain. Organ meats are rich sources of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and co-factors that are essential for various bodily functions and may prevent deficiencies that may arise from eating only muscle meats. This may often mean zero carb depending on the type of seafood and the amount of eggs. This is also sometimes called ancestral carnivore or restrictive Paleo.

Any Animal Products Carnivore Diet - This slightly more flexible version of the carnivore diet includes all animal flesh and any animal byproducts that can be produced by the animal kingdom. This would include dairy products such as milk, yogurt, heavy cream, cheese, butter & ghee, as well as things like bacon, sausage, pork rinds, and deli meat. This is also sometimes called Zero Carb Carnivore by those who still avoid milk sugars and certain seafoods.

Animal-based "Carnivore" Diet - Primarily animal sourced products but also allows participants to partake in some carbs found in nature, including some occasional bee honey and some fruitage that can be eaten based on seasonal availability. It's basically a mix of carnivore and Paleo. Animal-based dieters are still focused on animal consumption and avoiding plants (except their fruitage) and plant toxins with little to no regard for carbohydrate consumption. Dogmatic carnivore purists will argue that this is not "true" carnivore.

Carnivorish/Ketovore Diet - This Meat-based Keto lifestyle still focuses primarily on animal products but does allow for some plant-based oils like coconut oil, olive oil, and avocado oil (the good kinds) along with the inclusion of some low carb vegetables, with the aim of limiting carb consumption to 10g (ketovore) or 20g (keto) per day. This version permits the use of some spices and herbs to enhance the flavor and variety of the meals as well. Dogmatic carnivore zealots will argue that this is not "true" carnivore.

Which Carnivore or "Carnivorish" Diet is Right for Me?

Rather than be dogmatic, all of the above can fall under the umbrella of what Dr. Ken Berry M.D. refers to as "The Proper Human Diet". A proper human diet is one that is all natural, uninflammatory, minimally processed, and low in carbohydrates (meaning about 100g or less per day). The key to optimizing your health is to find out where on the spectrum you fit in the best. For some this may mean being absolutely strict about being a pure carnivore and avoiding plants and fruitage altogether. For others this may mean low carb, non-starchy vegetables that have a minimal impact on insulin and glucose levels are fine. Still others may choose to eat fermented or pickled vegetables and some may enjoy some fruit, but only seasonally or sporadically.

The amount and frequency with which one consumes fruit and vegetables on the carnivore or animal-based diet may vary depending on the individual’s goals, preferences, and tolerance. The key is to listen to your body and adjust accordingly. If you notice any negative effects from eating vegetables, such as bloating, gas, diarrhea, or cravings, you may want to reduce or eliminate them from your diet. 

So where on the spectrum are you? What kind of carnivore dieter do you tend to be?



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Also Dr Sean O'Mara's living carnivore diet. Eat ferments with your meat. He has a book out too, but I have yet to purchase it