High Triglycerides on a Carnivore or Keto Diet! [Video/Podcast]

[Bob]

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Have your triglycerides gone UP while on your carnivore or ketogenic diet? Are you constantly being told by carnivore zealots/purists/police that you must be doing something wrong, sneaking carbs, cheating, or lying about your eating habits, even though you KNOW you are doing everything correct? Are you worried that you've been lied to about the benefits of beef, butter, bacon, and eggs, or that you've been "had" by the Lion Diet?

Yes, it's true that for most people, they see their trigs plummet to beautiful low levels. But some of us see ours go up.... sometimes WAY UP! This happened to me, and I explain why in this video.

 

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[Geezy]

Good job Bob.


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[Bob]

Thank you. 

I've got a couple other topics that are also lengthy left to do, but I think I am gonna switch gears and make some shorter, easily digestible videos next.

[Scott F.]

I will check it out tonight.

Personally, I like the shorter videos. I find myself skipping videos sometimes when I look down and they are really long. 

My tri's dropped but my co-worker's went up. I'm going to forward it to him shortly.

Scott

[JCK]

Interesting video. This is the first content I've seen specifically addressing rising triglycerides on carnivore. After 4 months on carnivore and 25 lbs. weight loss (205 - 180), my triglycerides more than doubled. While still low by your standard - they went from 110 - 220. My doctor is more concerned about my LDL going from 170 to 580, but I've seen more reports of this increase on carnivore than the increased triglycerides.

My kidney panel does not show cause for concern, but you've given me some interesting things to consider re: rising triglycerides and weight loss. 

Thanks again for the content.

 

[Bob]

It's the same with the LDL - which is stored in your adipose tissue and gets released into the blood stream as you lose weight. This is in addition to the saturated fat you are now eating but weren't eating before. LDL goes up dramatically. But after remaining weight stable for about 6 months, it should return to baseline (which may even be your "new normal", now that your dietary habits have changed).

[Geezy]

I was listening to a video from Dr. Chaffee today about cholesterol and he was saying that it was perfectly natural for the LDL to go up because when we became fat adapted and our bodies start using fat (ketones) for fuel there will have to be more LDL circulating in our blood to provide that energy source.


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[ol_hilly]

I watched that too. 

[MeatMatteos]

Mine have gone up on carnicore as well..On a omnivore diet but low saturate fat tehy were maybe 77...With higher protein and fiber i was around 101...then i went carnivore 2 months in 185, 4 months in 235, 6 months in 165, 9 months in 285

Only thing ive changed is protein to fat ratios mostly, trigs went down to 165 when i was doing more HIIT exercise as well seemed...Suspecting that too much fat could cause them to rise maybe? Not really sure

Have implemented a 48 hour fast once every week now and more walking hoping to get them down

Also wondering if cooked meat/ground beef could somehow play a part, and maybe even salt as well

Going off ground beef and to rare steaks seems to have perhaps allievates the excess plaque i was getting on my teeth, hard to say if its 100% the cause though because i also started using baking soda after i went to dentist to brush with instead of salt which i was using pre dentist visit
I do think maybe the rare almost raw steaks are perhaps easier to digest than cooked meat mayb because of ensymes and bacteria, maybe assists body more?
Also, eating more raw fat instead of tallow, maybe in the raw form it will be better for the body perhaps as well?
Also wondering if not 1:1 omega content could play a factor
Eating more lamb fat now for the omega 3s and may take cod liver oil, perhaps if even 100% grass fed beef not all sources always have teh best omega3:6 ratio which maybe could contribute to some inflammation and raiskng of triglycerides? Really hoping to solve this

Have also heard salt could decrease bodies ability to utilize fats? Saw this on reddit from Steffanson maybe apparently said it? Could effect trigylceries too perhaps?

Also maybe not enough iodine in soil anymore, effecting thyroid function, been rubbing ipdine on my skin for absoeprion, hopinng to let my body filter in what it needs that way via the skin

[Geezy]

18 hours ago, MeatMatteos said:

Only thing ive changed is protein to fat ratios mostly, trigs went down to 165 when i was doing more HIIT exercise as well seemed...Suspecting that too much fat could cause them to rise maybe? Not really sure

Eating a high fat moderate protein diet generally drives triglycerides down. 
a good place to start is by getting 70% of your calories from fat and 30% from protein. 
 

 

18 hours ago, MeatMatteos said:

Also wondering if cooked meat/ground beef could somehow play a part, and maybe even salt as well

The only factor I’ve heard about cook meat is that it’s less nutritious but that’s a very nominal thing. 

 

18 hours ago, MeatMatteos said:

Have also heard salt could decrease bodies ability to utilize fats?

I don’t see how that could be possible whe salt is a mainstay of this diet. The body needs sodium and as long as salt is tasting good to you then you need to use it. I just caution against normal table salt since most of it contains sugar. Me and nearly every carnivore I know would have been in trouble long ago if salt were an issue with utilizing fat. 

 

18 hours ago, MeatMatteos said:

Also maybe not enough iodine in soil anymore, effecting thyroid function, been rubbing ipdine on my skin for absoeprion, hopinng to let my body filter in what it needs that way via the skin

There has definitely been a depletion of iodine and some people may need to supplement. I personally don’t because I only supplement when I need to fix or control a specific issue. I don’t believe in supplementing unless you have a specific issue that needs it. If you are metabolically healthy you should be able to get what you need from your diet. Of course we are all different with different needs. 

[MeatMatteos]

Honestly I've been doing for months probably 80% fat or more probably...in fact I think between test at 6 months and 9 months I increased tallow consumption dramatically but dropped eggs...starting to wonder if it's a folate deficiency as well. My folate was clinically low under 2. My muscles do feel weaker on carnivore than when animal based and my energy for high intensity exercise is definitely down as well.Chatgpt/Google do say low folate could contribute to high triglycerides. Going to try to incorporate more liver, chicken liver, maybe cheese/salmon, and lamb heart things like this to get my folate up hopefully...

 

 

Edited December 8, 2024 by MeatMatteos

[Meathead]

@MeatMatteos Blood work is a great place to start to get your baseline in what you need.  Blindly supplementing, changing diet drastically will definitely not be beneficial without knowing where you're at with current diet. 

Eliminate everything starting with 1 food.  Do that to see how you feel, then add in or switch to a completely different food. 

I have eaten nothing but eggs since November 1, blood pressure is so much better and I lost 11lbs.

Eggs have EVERYTHING we need but do your research and see what you think. 

[Bob]

On 12/7/2024 at 7:38 PM, MeatMatteos said:

trigs went down to 165 when i was doing more HIIT exercise as well seemed

Welcome aboard Matt.

This would make sense. Since trigs are basically energy floating around in your blood, an exercise regimen should help use them up/drive them down. I plan to experiment with this soon after I get my exercise room all set up.

[Bob]

23 hours ago, MeatMatteos said:

My muscles do feel weaker on carnivore than when animal based and my energy for high intensity exercise is definitely down as well.

And this is to be expected at first. But in time, your strength and energy for such workouts should return.

[MeatMatteos]

3 hours ago, Bob said:

And this is to be expected at first. But in time, your strength and energy for such workouts should return.

No I'm taking over the course of 11 months..I'm 11 months in and have been mostly Lion diet the whole time..My muscles seem to be weaker than back when I was eating more animal based ketoish diet I guess, and I seem to have less energy for high intensity exercise 

Edited December 10, 2024 by MeatMatteos

[MeatMatteos]

13 hours ago, Meathead said:

@MeatMatteos Blood work is a great place to start to get your baseline in what you need.  Blindly supplementing, changing diet drastically will definitely not be beneficial without knowing where you're at with current diet. 

Eliminate everything starting with 1 food.  Do that to see how you feel, then add in or switch to a completely different food. 

I have eaten nothing but eggs since November 1, blood pressure is so much better and I lost 11lbs.

Eggs have EVERYTHING we need but do your research and see what you think. 

They don't hurt your stomache at all? I agree eggs are probably a good source of nutrition but they seem to hurt my stomach, even pasture raised corn and soy free just the egg yolks, seem to bother my stomache a bit, basically those are the top tier of egg you can get lol and didn't even eat the white

[MeatMatteos]

5 minutes ago, MeatMatteos said:

No I'm taking over the course of 11 months..I'm 11 months in and have been mostly Lion diet the whole time..My muscles seem to be weaker than back when I was eating more animal based ketoish diet I guess, and I seem to have less energy for high intensity exercise 

I'm wondering if iodine could play a part because when I was on keto I ate a lot of seaweed, so I got a ton of iodine, I actually would eat a few packages almost everyday I think, so probably was getting over 200% dv just there not to mention other foods, Im not sure just eating beef in today's world can get enough iodine 

[Geezy]

It sounds like you need to be your N of 1 so try something for a few weeks to a month and keep a journal on what you’re doing and what you experience. If something isn’t working then drop that and try something else. It’s best to start with a baseline of just fat, meat, salt and water and then add or subtract as needed to find what the issue may be. 
First things first though, make sure you are eating enough food because often when we see low energy or recovery it’s because we aren’t eating enough which is easy to do on carnivore. 
Good luck, I hope you get it figured out soon. 

[Meathead]

 

  what @Geezy said. 

There are a few youtube channels that discuss HIIT.

 

Fat =energy 1kg of intake should be 750g fat 250g protein. Forget calories totally. 

Edited December 10, 2024 by Meathead

[Bob]

On 12/9/2024 at 9:50 PM, MeatMatteos said:

No I'm taking over the course of 11 months..I'm 11 months in and have been mostly Lion diet the whole time..My muscles seem to be weaker than back when I was eating more animal based ketoish diet I guess, and I seem to have less energy for high intensity exercise 

Interesting. I don't have a good weight-lifting program at the moment, so I am going on what I have heard others say. There's an initial drop in strength (can't lift as much or do as many reps before fatiguing) but after a few weeks the strength and energy return. Such anecdotes align well with what we know about that initial adaptation period when you switch from carb-laden SAD diet to a ketogenic or carnivore-centric diet.

I'm listening to a book right now ("The Unholy Trinity") that even talks about benefits of working out in a fasted state, towards the end of your intermittent fasting period, and THEN eating, for optimal results. Probably because you'll be in ketosis and running on your steady stream of ketones derives from your own body fat.

The only thing I can think of, is to load up on fat before a workout. Not too stuffed to lose the motivation to exercise (food coma, lol!), perhaps an hour or so prior to give your body time to break down that energy.

But then I've heard others report similarly to you and chose to go more "animal-based", at least on workout days.